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Bass - line OUT

Is this "out" for connecting a powered sub (not a B1 Bass Module)? If so is the L1 Cylindrical Radiator loudspeaker still active? Thanks.Read More...
The "bass-line out" is a bandpassed (40-180 if memory serves) line output. We designed it to connect to another power amp that drives more Bose B1 bass modules. The system is designed as, well, a system, and we encourage you to try the B1 solution. Can you send the bass line out to a powered sub? Yes, of course. [This message was edited by Tony-at-Bose on Wed November 26 2003 at 03:51 PM.] [Kyle edited bandpass upper freq] [This message was edited by Kyle-at-Bose on Mon December 01 2003 at...Read More...

Lauren Gifford

Overall, I liked it. The bass sounded nice and deep from the stand up bass being played and the guitar sounded good. I do wish that most everything would've been louder, though. The lead vocals and piano especially (being run through the same system) were not loud enough in my opinion. She asked for feedback on the sound and I told her to turn up the vocals and she did with her remote, but still not loud enough for me. Also, when she stood up to play acoustic guitar and had the mic facing...Read More...
Hi, I, too, use a KSM-105 mic. And while I'm a solo performer, I don't have the problem of all the cylindrical radiators possibly feeding back into that mic. But I did experience some feedback when another singer stood way too far away from the mic. I practically eat the mic, so while singing I have no trouble. It's when I play my guitar and step away from the mic-to-speaker path--then I tend to get feedback. I agree, it is an INCREDIBLE vocal mic, and I've experimented with this and the...Read More...

Can I use this product?

My current setup is 7 heads through 2 head switchers to 2 cabs. The heads range from 30-50 watts, and the head selectors are a Custom Audio Electronics (4) and a Sound Sculpture Headtrip (3). I am interested in this product to eliminate the two bulky cabs, but especially the sonic capabilities. While I have a POD for practice, I do not prefer to use it as my primary preamp. Can I: 1) run the speaker outs from the 2 head selectors into 1 power stand. 2) will the head selector outs have to be...Read More...
Greetings Bill Sounds like you are lugging a lot of heavy metal (transformer iron and speakers) around. With this system, you will have the advantage of having everyone hear the same sound that you hear, including your audience and your bandmates. Right now, only you hear the "Sweet spot" sound. Look through our website and let this sink in a bit. This is, finally, a guitar amplification system that makes a sweet spot out of all listening positions, bandstand and audience. So, first of all,...Read More...

Rackmounted effects

I'm considering purchasing a double bass system sometime in the future, however, I'm wondering whether the system can support the use of rack gear. My rack gear from top-bottom: ETA power conditioner w/lights, ALEMBIC DS5-R (power supply for stereo bass), ALEMBIC F-1X (mono preamp), ALEMBIC SF-2(superfilter-stereo mode), DIGITECH TSR24-S (stereo effects processor), BBE 462 (stereo sonic maximizer), CREST AUDIO FA-1201(stereo power amp) into EDEN DAVID series 2x10 XLT (highs & mids) 1x15...Read More...
Not directly. Both channels get mixed together and then the digital signal processor splits it into two frequency bands, one for the L1 and one for the bass module. You could conceivably roll down the bass on Channel 1 and roll down mid & highs on Channel 2. That would get close to routing the each pickup to its own speaker. It's really hard to tell what the best sounding option in the case would be without actually trying it.Read More...

studio

Anyone used this system in the studio yet? I could see a sound engineer giving me "the hairy eyeball" if I brought one of these in with me (which I'm going to do anyway but...) just wondering if anyone's tried it yet?Read More...

Electric Bassists

I was wondering if electric bassists need a pre-amp before plugging in? I don't wan't to use a pre-amp, but I'm not happy with the timbre (color) of my sound. I'm using two bass modules. What do the engineers at Bose recommend?Read More...
To Acoustic Bassist (and other students of this great instrument) The short Q/A: 1. What kind of tone do you want? 2. (Independent of the answer) So, then; go get that. Pretty glib, eh? What we have given you is a blank piece of audio canvas and a variety of tools to get tone with, not to mention an entire universe of tools that exist at, say, the local Guitar Center. Here's what some have done: 1. Sounds like you have an "acoustic bass". If you have a Fishman bridge pickup on it, plug it in...Read More...

Chamber Music

Forum: Ensembles
Hi Ken and Cliff, we 'll have a chamber music with an acoustic babygrand piano, a keyboard, two acoustic guitars w/ pickups, 4 vocal mikes. We play mostly ballads that range ~95-103db. The place will be a 2500sqft restaurant with an audience of 200. I am looking at the deluxe Personalized Amplification System and wondering if this system can accomodate the event.Read More...
NC Andy I'm glad to hear that the system works well for you and you application. Some of the very low-cost mixers seem to produce hum by themselves. From what we've seen so far, there seems to be significant variance from unit to unit even if its the same model. The problem is not in the pre-amps (which are indeed quite clean), but seem to come from the power supply, in particular if its a "wall-wart" supply. If you have access to a second mixer and/or power supply, try to swap them out and...Read More...

What are we doing wrong?

The band I am in recently purchased a entire setup for a five piece band, including the extra bass shared unit. The low end is wonderful and full, but we cant get the vocal mikes loud enough to be heard clearly over the music. We have tried many different things, in the real world you cant be 8 feet away all the times, but we have managed to get them at the very least five to six feet away from each performer. We have used the Beta 57 and we get feedback from each unit we try. I dont think...Read More...
Hi Mike, We got your private info. We'll be contacting you right away to sort things out. There's no reason you shouldn't be getting the same kind of performance everyone else is getting. Hold tight, help is coming.Read More...

Data In/Out

The Base has Data In and Data Out RCA connectors. Is this SPDIF? AES? What frequency does it support?Read More...
dbudde, Great question. The Data IN connector is a proprietary connector used by Bose to program the unit, it is not for use by the end user (as of the present). The Data OUT is a SPDIF output with a sampling rate of 48KHz. The output is channels 1 and 2, left and right respectively. For some studio applications this output will come in handy. Thanks for your question. Kyle So other people can find this one more easily, this thread will be moved to the technical area tomorrow.Read More...

plex sound shield to keep amp quieter

i saw a touring blues band do this in a small 75 seat club. they were using twins cranked up to a crunchy, good tone level. they had plexiglass sound shields in front of the amps. the sound was great all over the room but it was not spiking your ears. the band said ever since they started using the shields, not only can they hear themselves on stage better, they haven't had a single complaint from bartenders. i would be interested in hearing from anyone that has tried this in conjunction...Read More...
The iso box is a solution, but not a great one and for these reasons a)The speaker doesn't have a chance to breathe, and therefore doesn't sound like it should and b) you have to carry an extra piece of gear. In my experience, the best solution is a low wattage amp facing across the stage or backstage. Just get your sound at the lowest possible volume, then let the Bose system distribute it evenly to the whole room.Read More...

Multiple musicians

I'm ordering the double bass package with two extra bass bins. Can I run my mixer to the system with 4 vocals, bass, guitar, sax and bass drum effectively through this set up, or do I need more Cylindrical units? This is for stage monitoring and small venues/rehearsal.Read More...
Hi Evan Thanks for ordering our products. Yes, you can run a mixer, CD or anything that makes a signal into the unit. To fully make use of this technology, each player should have their own system, so that you hear the sound coming from where the player is. This improves the sound for both the audience and the players. The next issue is how loud you need to play. One system is often fine for rehearsal but one-per-player is our recommendation for a fully-amplified live show, even at low...Read More...

Check out the Taylor Forum.

The mods here may be of some help over on the TGF where a couple of discussions are going on about the PAS. Thread #1Read More...
Here's another. Thread #2 Maybe you guys can answer a few of the questions being asked. I placed my order for a double bass system this morning. Unfortunately, it'll be a month before I have any feedback for you, but I look forward to hearing the system. Thanks! RickRead More...

JAZZ!

Ken-at-Bose
In this forum, we've heard a lot about rock, and R & B, and blues. We wanted to let everyone know that we did a lot of testing of the system with Jazz. We are all huge jazz fans and I have to tell you this was one of the most rewarding parts of our musical performance tests. Jazz players adopted the system faster than any other genre. It was a complete natural for them. Here's a photo from one of the folks out there that's purchased the system (used with their permission). You can read...Read More...

Chicago Gig

Ken-at-Bose
Thanks to all the folks in the Guitar Center Store in Chicago. Once again, we were completely sold out. What a treat it is to have the Linemen back after so long. It was amazing because some people in the audience recognized them. So much for keeping the news about them lowkey. Anyhow, they swatted the ball into Lake Michigan with their playing. I thought some folks in the audience were going to start speaking in tongues during Sissy Strut. Marty Richards fooled everybody into thinking he'd...Read More...
I'm in the process of buying the double bass package and would like to check it out. Where is this Guitar Center located? Thanks, EvanRead More...

Sound Stage setup for the Ensemble

Forum: Ensembles
colcliff-at-bose
Here's something to think about when setting up the ensemble: Soundstage. We make good use of it in our ping-pong section of the "Music is Human" show (Cissy Strut). The 4-bar intro starts with bass and drum, stage left-center (audience right-center), switches to guitar stage right (Goodsy) for one bar of the intro, then electric piano stage far left for the 2nd half of the intro, then into it. Those who heard this at our various shows (Atlanta, Hollywood, Chicago and Framingham so far) were...Read More...

OK, I've tried it. Now how do I fix it?

I am the "sound guy" at a church of about 300 people. The room is flat with a low ceiling and roughly 70 ft square. I took you up on your offer and got 2 systems. I think I really need 4 to completely replicate the number of sound sources we have, but 2 gives us a good starting point. Each radiator has one bass module. I put the preacher through one system. Through the other I put a keyboard (ch 3), keyboardist microphone (ch 1), and bass guitar (ch 2). I also have drums, organ, guitar, and...Read More...
Hello Diamondbill, Please let us know by reply post how we can reach you directly. Also, Cliff left you a post with how to contact him. We as moderators will see your contact information, copy it, then delete your post so that your contact informatio will not be seen by the public. We look forward to working with you.Read More...

What Forums are missing?

Is there a forum you'd like to see that we've not created yet? Let us know here.Read More...
I'd like to see a forum on user's enhancement suggestions for the next version or upgrade of the PAS. For example, the flip lid on the base should be fully removable, not on plastic hinges. One of mine already cracked off on the second night of use. I'm not quite sure but I think one of my band mates was trying to reangle it and the lid bumped into the wall behind it on a weird angle (while it was open) and it snapped one of the plastic pegs that holds it in. LarryCRead More...

L1 Cylindrical Radiator

1. What about feedback...? 2. why 24v fantom??? 3. Is the signal digitally processed before amplification? Philip KOCH www.audionet.beRead More...
Hello philonline, Thanks for posting. See my previous answer to feedback at feedback post . 24V phantom is now the international standard and just about all new equipment will use 24V. Also, you can power almost any 48V microphone with 24V with no change in performance. After the analog front end, signals are sent to a high-power DSP, where system EQ, mixing, and speaker protection processing is done. Then the signals are converted back to analog and amplified. Thanks for the questions. Stay...Read More...

Seattle

When are you coming to Seattle to do a live demoRead More...
Ken - great choice (in my opinion) to showcase at IAJE. I attended this conference in Long Beach a couple of years back, and based upon the typical attendees I saw there, this should be a marvelous audience for Bose. In that same regard, have you considered bringing the PAS to the Winter 2004 NAMM in Anaheim? Definately a forum for all types of markets (although this might come in conflict with your exclusivity contract with Guitar Center). What are your thoughts? (PS - I'd be willing to...Read More...

Nossa Bossa in San Francisco 11/25

Nossa Bossa will be in San Francisco this Tuesday. Come by and say hello. Dance some Samba. Tuesday, November 25th, 2003, 10pm-12:30am Elbo Room 647 Valencia Street San Francisco, CA (415) 552-7788 (note: cover charge) http://www.nossabossa.com/ www.nossabossa.comRead More...

Dec. 11 show at Bose

Ken-at-Bose
(This is a reply to the posting below. I don't know how to reverse the order.) This show will start at 7PM. You can find details about it on the calendar ( www.bose.com/musicians, click on "live performances"). You MUST RSVP to this show as we are expecting a sellout. We very much hope to see you there. Introduce yourselves. [This message was edited by Ken-at-Bose on Sat November 22 2003 at 04:17 PM.]Read More...
That Thaddeus Hogarth gig the day after Thanksgiven (Friday, November 28, 2003) is going to be HOT! I'll be there with my wife, we love the band, the music, and the way it sounds using the new Bose approach. If anyone has questions, I'll be there. Come down and check it out. Northeast Calandar The show on December 11th is the multimedia presentation and demonstration of the system at Bose in Framingham, Massachusetts. If you are interested in the system, how it works and sounds, this is a...Read More...

More on "Presets"

Well, I bit the bullet.....yesterday I put down my hard earned cash at Seattle's Guitar Center and came home with a single system & bass bin. Unfortunately, I won't have a chance to use it in a live situation 'till later this month....can't wait. I have a question and a request: Question: In the "Preset" list attached to the power unit, there are a lot of empty presets labeled "Future" I presume these presets will be updated via some as yet unknown method once the Bosemen finish the...Read More...
The acoustic bass w/piezo preset is phenomonal. There's no need for a pre-amp !!!! Thanks Ken.Read More...

New forum suggestion

Hi guys, How about "Churches & Worship Teams"? There seems to be alot of questions pertaining to those environments that have some specific needs. We'll be using 3 systems (to start) in a church environment soon and I'll be glad to put in my 2 pennies whenever possible. I'm sure you'll begin to get more as well. It's perfectly suited for this use! Thx! MikeRead More...

First Time Out

Forum: Vocals
Last night I assisted a friend with his first time out on a gig using one (1) Cylindrical Radiator model L1 for two vocal mics. Even though I'm not a vocalist I was asked to help because I've been playing through The Personalized Amplification System for over a year (see woodwinds) and have some experience with it. First off I had to overrule my friends desire to put the L1 off to the side. He was afraid it would feedback if it was right behind the vocal mics. I positoned the unit center...Read More...

Gig Bag

Forum: Keyboards
I like to keep my gear looking new and scratch free. Is there a gig bag that I can order for the sub woofers?Read More...
Actually, the way the B1's are shaped, there's no reason they wouldn't fit into any standard gig bag/airline carry-on type bag. I agree with al, there's plenty of room to be creative there! What The...? http://www.what-the.comRead More...
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