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Hi Gang!  Got an unusual question/wondering.  At two of my venues I use my L1 Model II with B2 Bass and T1 Engine.  I also run a cable from my Master Out of the T1 to the S1 Pro Outdoors so that guests out on patios, etc can also hear the show.  Works great because the cable slides under the door bottom fine without crimping or cutting into the cable in any way.  

   In the other venue, the door it needs to go through is very tight and will ruin a cable by forcing the door closed on it.   Door is too tight to the ground.  There are two other venues I play where I could also do this, but they have the same tight door too tight for a cable run.   I use all Mogami cables and I'm not about to take the chance of cutting one open from the tight forcing.   

   Is it possible to use a wireless transmitter out of the T1 Master and a wireless receiver in one of the channels of the S1 Pro?   Distance is no more than about 10 ft away from the L1 Model II ......at the most about 15 ft.   I thought of using a wireless guitar system to try this or some other wireless solution.   Very curious and don't want to spend unnecessary money just to see if it will work.   Don't want to use any kind of wireless Bluetooth connection for obvious reasons.   

    I could always use cheap cables and not sweat it if one is ruined, but I sure would like to have this as a wireless setup if it's possible.   All the Googling in the world hasn't done me much good looking for a wireless solution for this kind of "audio out" situation.   Is it really any different than running a signal between guitar transmitter and receiver?   I just have no clue.  

   Has anyone tried this wireless audio Master Out send?  Or does anyone know a solution that would work?  This could be a real enhancement for my regular venues and those of the future.  And as always, the less cables the better under any circumstance.  

  Thanks for any input anyone can give me.     Tom

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Have a look at the Xvive U3 wireless mic system setting its mic/line switch to line. With this setting the U3 can link two devices together such as mixer to speaker. It’s not just a wireless mic system.

For example, on a somewhat similar need, a recent post described linking the line out from one S1 using the U3 to the input of another S1 so they connected 2 S1s wirelessly. Very cool.

You will need a XLR to TRS adapter cord since the U3 only accommodates XLR.

Thank you for such a fast response CityFolk!   I looked and looked and wasn't finding one with the line/mic option this one has.   I sure don't mind throwing a couple hundred into this for what may be possible with it.

Quick Question:  I would need the XLR adapter for the transmitter end for the Master Out of the T1.  Would I also need a matching adapter for the receiver end for the S1 Pro or would the XLR alone that fits either channel of the S1 Pro receive the signal okay without adapting it as well? 

    I really appreciate your advice!   I'll wait a week or so and see what kind of responses and info I can get for this situation.  Thanks again!   Tom

I have a U3 for our mics and it has been working great. Do let us know what you find out and what you wind up with. 

As an example, the other post mentioned a XLR-TRS adapter going out of the first S1 line out with the transmitter since the line out is a TRS. Then at the receiver end of the other S1, you can just use the U3 XLR into one of the 2 main channels that have the XLR/TRS combo plug. No need for an adapter at that end. It just all depends on what the transmitter or receiver devices will accommodate. 

I echo Cityfolk's suggestion to try a xVive U3 wireless setup.

As he says, you will need a 1/4" TRS male (into T1) to XLR Female adapter for the mixer/transmitter side (alas).  You can plug the receiver directly into one of the channels on the S1.

I have done it and there's no perceived latency between the mixer and the S1.  Works great - very clean and clear.

ALTHOUGH: the literature says the battery life on the U3 is 2 hours although I haven't tested that.  I have a 3 hour gig today and one of our singers uses one on her microphone, I'll put one of mine on another singer's mic and try remember to report back on whether the battery lasts the whole 3 hours.

I too have been mulling over the past couple of years over a wireless solution for my side-fills & delay speakers, to avoid cable runs & a faster & neater setup. For my main FOH I still plan to go cabled. This would also serve as a backup, in case the wireless solution fails on a particular day mid-set, for whatever reason.

I'm keeping my ears to the ground on this thread. Looking forward to everyone's ideas/pointers/solutions.

I strongly recommend we should be looking at a WIRELESS solution here, not Bluetooth, as Bluetooth has a lot of inherent latency ... even with aptX.

Meanwhile, I'll post what solutions I've gleaned from my R&D over the net so far.

CityFolk posted:

Have a look at the Xvive U3 wireless mic system setting its mic/line switch to line. With this setting the U3 can link two devices together such as mixer to speaker. It’s not just a wireless mic system.

For example, on a somewhat similar need, a recent post described linking the line out from one S1 using the U3 to the input of another S1 so they connected 2 S1s wirelessly. Very cool.

You will need a XLR to TRS adapter cord since the U3 only accommodates XLR.

Any idea what's the frequency response of the U3 system? I'm a DJ and would like to maintain the highest fidelity possible in my Sound Chain.

There is a 42 minute long review of the U3 on YouTube that’s pretty darn thorough. Check it out here. It’s just something I found and I have no relationship with the reviewer. It goes into a host of features that includes frequency response, range, latency (or lack thereof) etc.

The Boss WL20L has a frequency response of 20 Hz--20 kHz, and a 10 hour battery life. So far it has performed as expected. I admit I like the form factor of the U3, but I didn’t like the U2 at all, so I’m a bit biased against xVive. I intend to give the Sennheiser a try in the near future.

CityFolk posted:

There is a 42 minute long review of the U3 on YouTube that’s pretty darn thorough. Check it out here. It’s just something I found and I have no relationship with the reviewer. It goes into a host of features that includes frequency response, range, latency (or lack thereof) etc.

That's one helluva detailed Video. Thx for sharing the link mate. Almost everything seems good. Just one apprehension:
1) The Noise Floor seems to be high. Saw at least 3 to 4 complaints in the comments section.

I know right? I love the guys accent, but he really delves into the details I quite a thorough manner.

I’ve used the U3 for our SM 58 Beta mics, not a line mode and I never felt they introduced any noticeable noise. But it will be good to hear from others too.

I have successfully used the portable Sennheiser G3 (AA battery powered transmitter and receiver) for two events where it was either impractical or nearly impossible to run xlr cables. 

I used one transmitter from from my Bose T1 mixer to two different G3 receivers separately attached to 2 different F1 speakers.

One set of batteries lasted for the entire 6 hour event. 

 

Wow Everyone.....Thanks Much!   I don't know why I wasn't finding good information about doing this before.....and believe me I was looking, but wanted to come ask practical Bose using people for practical Bose solutions here.  I so appreciate the responses. 

    I originally thought of wireless guitar systems, but was unsure of how the signal and frequencies there actually worked and wanted to seek out a more audio oriented solution.......and you guys came through. 

    I'm going to keep up here for all the responses as I'm not in actual need until the 13th and will likely order a couple different ones and keep the one that works the best.   I talked with Sweetwater and they have no problem with me experimenting and returning one. 

    So far it is the Xvive U3 that looks the most promising........and fitting.  The Stealth looks good in reviews and stats, but I see the problem as being a separate unit that would require mounting or hanging somewhere with additional cords for connections, whereas the U3 would fit directly into the channel and still leave room for use of the other channel on the S1 Pro.  The Xvive U3 is definitely one purchasing choice and I'll likely choose another.   

    I will definitely keep up here and report back on how it's all working out.  Thanks again everyone..........You're the Best!     Tom

jlowe posted:

I have successfully used the portable Sennheiser G3 (AA battery powered transmitter and receiver) for two events where it was either impractical or nearly impossible to run xlr cables. 

I used one transmitter from from my Bose T1 mixer to two different G3 receivers separately attached to 2 different F1 speakers.

One set of batteries lasted for the entire 6 hour event. 

 

1) Any Noise Floor or Hiss when no music was being played?
2) How was the Sound? Were you happy with the frequencies being transmitted? Did you feel you were losing out on lows or anything?

Now that the G4's are out since over a year, I figure they should perform a tad better than the G3's.

My band has used a Stealth Wireless.  Decent range, about 40-60 feet depending upon what's in the way.  Works.  Quite Expensive...

BUT - you have to have A/C power for the receiver's big wall wart.

xVive U3 - battery powered at both ends.  We used two of them on two microphones yesterday for over 3 hours and they still had life in the batteries. 

NO noise, no perceived latency.

Chet, you are reinforcing my thinking even more that the xVive U3 is going to end up being the real ticket here.   Thanks for responding.  Battery life is an important factor and from reviews, your comments, etc, I should be fine.  Anxious and curious to see how well they work for me.   Well worth a couple hundred bucks for such a solution.  

Chet posted:

My band has used a Stealth Wireless.  Decent range, about 40-60 feet depending upon what's in the way.  Works.  Quite Expensive...

BUT - you have to have A/C power for the receiver's big wall wart.

xVive U3 - battery powered at both ends.  We used two of them on two microphones yesterday for over 3 hours and they still had life in the batteries. 

NO noise, no perceived latency.

Thx Chet for your input ... Yes A/C Power will be required for the Stealth.

Have you tried the xVive on Speakers? I'd like to know your views if there's any Noise on that & how does the Sound & overall experience compare to the Stealth. 

I'm looking at the xVive primarily for going Wireless on my speakers & so am picking your brain for further input on that. In case you've not used the xVive for a wireless speaker solution, would it be possible for you to give it a try someday when convenient & do an A/B vs the Stealth & drop your findings here?

I'm sure your inferences would be a boon to everyone on this forum especially as it would be in a LIVE situation.

Thx a bunch.

I too would like to “hear” about what folks think of the U3 in terms of sound quality and how long do the batteries last especially when using it in Line mode vs Mic mode. I figure running Line mode vs mic would be a bit more involved and use more battery power.

We’ve used the U3 on 2-3 hour gigs on one of our Shure Beta 58s as a test and it has worked fine with plenty of battery left, no wireless issues like interference, and no coloring of the sound. We are ready to get another one so we can connect our mics without cables. We’ll keep cables as a backup. 

If anyone else is interested, Xvive has also released a version of the U3 for condenser mics requiring phantom power (they say it will provide a full 48v). Not sure what effect that might have on battery life though. We only use dynamic mics.

Anyway at the price point they are selling at with the generous return policies that many of the online music retailers offer, it certainly is worth getting one to try out yourself. 

"at the price point they are selling at with the generous return policies that many of the online music retailers offer, it certainly is worth getting one to try out yourself. "

Exactly why I tried an xVive U3.  I actually bought two in case the 2 hour limit in their literature was true.  I got 3 hours plus battery life yesterday (on a microphone), recharged it last night and used it another 2 1/2 hours this morning (set on Line from my AER to the board).

I HAVE used them from my mixer to my Bose S1 Pros and they sound great.

I suspect the line setting adds a 'pad' to the input signal to allow higher voltage input without distortion so I wouldn't expect different battery life from that setting.

Chet posted:

"at the price point they are selling at with the generous return policies that many of the online music retailers offer, it certainly is worth getting one to try out yourself. "

Exactly why I tried an xVive U3.  I actually bought two in case the 2 hour limit in their literature was true.  I got 3 hours plus battery life yesterday (on a microphone), recharged it last night and used it another 2 1/2 hours this morning (set on Line from my AER to the board).

I HAVE used them from my mixer to my Bose S1 Pros and they sound great.

I suspect the line setting adds a 'pad' to the input signal to allow higher voltage input without distortion so I wouldn't expect different battery life from that setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...z2d8O6DY&t=1276s

What are your thoughts ?? ... upto 9 Hours on xVive U3 ???
If I get 6 to 7 hours, I'm covered for my gig ... right from setup to teardown.

No, you won't get 9 hours out of ANY battery powered wireless system I know of...or even 6 or 7 hours.

I turn the power off on my wireless until I do a quick sound check for the items using them and then I make sure their power is turned off during breaks.  (I also extend the life of the batteries in my guitar and bass by unplugging them during breaks.)

The Sennheiser system looks like the xVive for $100 more.  It also looks like the Senn system doesn't have the line level pad so might be the wrong solution for going from a mixer to something like the S1 Pro.

Chet posted:

No, you won't get 9 hours out of ANY battery powered wireless system I know of...or even 6 or 7 hours.

I turn the power off on my wireless until I do a quick sound check for the items using them and then I make sure their power is turned off during breaks.  (I also extend the life of the batteries in my guitar and bass by unplugging them during breaks.)

The Sennheiser system looks like the xVive for $100 more.  It also looks like the Senn system doesn't have the line level pad so might be the wrong solution for going from a mixer to something like the S1 Pro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEOIUsuwm3M

The more reviews I see about the U3, the more I'm inclined towards it.

   Thanks so much everyone.  The U3 will be here tomorrow and I will do a thorough test run on it including distance and longevity of battery and of course quality in sound/latency, etc.  I will definitely report back here with that information. 

    If I find any lackluster or unexpected weaknesses, I will order another to do a comparison of which I will keep and also do the same.   Appreciate all of you.  Tom

After reading this thread I ended up ordering a set and an extra receiver. I tested it against my Sennheiser G3 setup that I occasionally use for wireless remote speakers.

 

So far I like what I hear. Sounds more pleasing than the analog Sennheisers and they are easier to configure, especially when I hand them off to some of our other DJs in our co-op that aren't as savvy at dialing in attenuation. Sennheisers hands down beat it on range and channels, but simplicity and sound quality goes to Xvive. 

I have 5 gigs in the next week that I'll run it through live situations. These include corporate talking head panels, retail background music, and a cooking demo. These will be in some of the most congested wifi, bluetooth, radio, and cell phone places in downtown SF. 

DJ Erv posted:

After reading this thread I ended up ordering a set and an extra receiver. I tested it against my Sennheiser G3 setup that I occasionally use for wireless remote speakers.

 

So far I like what I hear. Sounds more pleasing than the analog Sennheisers and they are easier to configure, especially when I hand them off to some of our other DJs in our co-op that aren't as savvy at dialing in attenuation. Sennheisers hands down beat it on range and channels, but simplicity and sound quality goes to Xvive. 

I have 5 gigs in the next week that I'll run it through live situations. These include corporate talking head panels, retail background music, and a cooking demo. These will be in some of the most congested wifi, bluetooth, radio, and cell phone places in downtown SF. 

Thx for the heads-up DJ Erv ... Pls do let us know how the U3 stacks up in your upcoming gigs especially against the Sennheiser's. I'd like to know what kind of RANGE you can get at max in real world conditions (not with clear line of sight) ... and also if there are any dropouts or interferences in a really crowded venue.

I'm glad to know the Sound Quality stacks up & probably exceeds the Senn's. Very comforting to know!!

Does Xvive sell more receivers to pair with a single transmitter? I was under the impression they sold the Tx & Rx as a set only??

CityFolk posted:

Prakash here’s a link to a US online music retailer showing that you can buy individual Tx and Rx just for reference sake. Not sure if these might be available like this in the UK. Worth asking though.

That's really sweet of you CityFolk   ...  HuggZZZ

I'm based in Oman (Middle East) & will have to take a call as to where to order it from as it isn't available here locally.

I'm also waiting for a couple of reviews as to how the U3 stacks up against the ALTO STEALTH "range-wise" (without line of sight). Once this last uncertainty of mine has been addressed, I'll take a call as to which to go in for. I'm of course leaning towards the U3, as it'll have the added flexibility of being used for mics too. But since my PRIMARY motive for usage is Wireless Speakers (Mixer-to-Speakers) ... it's the range, distance & signal strength I'm giving top priority to.

I haven't tried the U3 for long distance or not line of sight use but my band HAS experience and has occasionally struggled with the ALTO STEALTH system.

The best range with direct line of sight that we've been able to achieve with the Stealth system with occasional drop outs (like those that have happened when a couple folks walked in between the xmitter and receiver) is about 50 -60 feet.  We raised the transmitter above our heads by attaching it to a strut on the canopy above us and got a little better result but the speaker still had to be sitting on a rock wall at shoulder height.

I'll try to remember to conduct an experiment with the U3 later today to check its range.

Chet posted:

I haven't tried the U3 for long distance or not line of sight use but my band HAS experience and has occasionally struggled with the ALTO STEALTH system.

The best range with direct line of sight that we've been able to achieve with the Stealth system with occasional drop outs (like those that have happened when a couple folks walked in between the xmitter and receiver) is about 50 -60 feet.  We raised the transmitter above our heads by attaching it to a strut on the canopy above us and got a little better result but the speaker still had to be sitting on a rock wall at shoulder height.

I'll try to remember to conduct an experiment with the U3 later today to check its range.

Thx so much Chet for sharing your experiences ...

FYI ... My speaker cabs are "always" mounted on tripods, with the woofer beginning at approx eye level & the tweeters well above head height to throw sufficiently without any obstruction.

I was also musing ... The Alto can be positioned above the speakers to ensure or attempt a line of sight, whereas the U3's would be plugged behind my speakers (unless I use a small extension Xlr-2-Xlr cable) ... ... just wondering here. 

I'm totally dependent on everyone's experiences here, as I'll be ordering it overseas from another country & there'll be no returns.

Thx again everyone!!

For maximum range with the U3s, I'd add a short XLR to XLR cable and velcro them to the top of the speakers with the antenna end pointed toward the transmitter and add another cable (or pair of cables) for the transmitter(s) and raise them as far as I can above the mixer - maybe on a spare mic stand.

Hi Gang!  Love everyone's input here.  

     I have been testing and using the U3 now for several days as well as I could from home testing.   The quality and clarity of sound is absolutely awesome.  So much so that with a little further real-gig-time testing I will more than likely stay with these.

   From my home studio I tested it both at length and at a distance of about 35-40 or so feet, which is more than I would likely ever have to use in any venue.  This was with the studio door closed, down a hallway about 15 additional feet and then through another door into the far end of my office room about an additional 20 feet.   Through two closed doors and at that distance I ran music through the T1 Master Out and it worked flawlessly and didn't start to even hiccup until almost the end of 6 hours.....and then just barely and I still had battery power left.  

    When I tried a test of moving about 50 feet or so away it worked fine in a direct line outdoors just as in the other test, but when I moved the transmitter indoors where the signal passed through two doors, the signal stopped entirely at that distance.    Of course this was extreme circumstance testing and really not practical as I can't see that kind of distance and object interference at any actual venue or location.   

   Of course the real test of my practical needs will occur this weekend where the signal will have to pass through one plate glass window at a distance of about 15 or so feet.  The other venue also through one plate glass window at only about 10 feet or so distance.   My testing leaves me pretty confident these are going to work very well for me especially at the minimal distance needed.       

   I'll report back in after the gigs and let everyone know how they did.  

As an added note:   Yes, both the receivers and the transmitters can also be purchased separately.  I found them both on Sweetwater Music's site for $99 each.    

   Thanks again everyone for all your input and I'll keep close eye on this thread.    Appreciate all of you.  Let's all keep the fires burning!     tom

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