Will Neumann KMS 105 Help Solve This Problem?

Greetings Gang! I have read ALL of the many posts and comparisons concerning the Neumann KMS 105 mic, both here and the many, many other online reviews and forums. (of which 99% are 5 star all the way reviews). Most all my equipment is top notch, all the way from my Bose L1 Model II and T1 Tonematch down to every single cable being Mogami. I have no problem investing 700.00 more on a mic that will give me forever pristine excellence, despite the $700 "ouch bite". I play several shows per week year round, so investment is just part of being a full time working musician.

The posts here and the great mic comparison by ST are awesome, yet now pretty dated, so here's my situation and asking advice before I bite the bullet and purchase the KMS 105 Monday.

I've been using the TC Helicon MP-75 mic, matching the Voicelive Play GTX I use. I've been very happy and had nothing but applause and bravos concerning the quality of my sound, show after show after show. Until my own recent evaluation. I purchased a Zoom Q4n video camera for it's superb audio quality. And I DO mean superb! Makes my Taylor sound like the greatest guitar ever played through a system........and very accurately, just as it comes out of the Bose. That accuracy of recorded sound also reveals that....my voice sounds muffled in comparison to the clarity and out front sound of the guitar. It isn't caused by camera placement, this happens at all angles at all distances. I use a foam windscreen on the mic because the plosives are just way too present without it. I think this is my culprit. Using it bare isn't an option. Live, in my own ears, it all sounds great and balanced/clear..but I also realize that I'm also hearing my own voice in my head as well as what immediately surrounds my "head-hearing"... as well as what is coming through the Bose. This muffling isn't a bad lacking, it just isn't what I know it COULD be and I'd like both my live "through the Bose" voice and video recordings to give me that punch/clarity/upfront result. Of the gazillion mics and reading a gazillion reviews for each, it looks like the Neumann KMS 105 is the closest to accurate solution I could ask for.

Before I drop these seven big one$$ this week, I'd like to ask the community here of KMS 105 users, if this investment will or could, in your opinion, put the voice with more clarity, more out front, with more punch for me without use of any external windscreen or foam cover? Feedback resistance is supposed to be excellent with the 105. And to also just share their experiences with the KMS 105. For those using any different mic that has experienced the same "mufflish" problem, whether caused by foam windscreen or not, are there any tips, tricks, T1 settings that have made a clarity/punch difference for them? Thanks for any and all feedback on this! I trust you guys!!
Original Post
Greetings Musicianthomas,

I would have gotten back to you sooner but I wanted to do some testing.

Summary:
I've considered what you've told us, and I'm not sure that we can predict whether or not the Neumann KMS 105 will solve your problem. There are too many variables to consider. I don't want to discourage you in your quest for perfection. However, I'm going to suggest some things that you can try.

quote:
Originally posted by Musicianthomas:
Greetings Gang! I have read ALL of the many posts and comparisons concerning the Neumann KMS 105 mic, both here and the many, many other online reviews and forums. (of which 99% are 5 star all the way reviews).

Most all my equipment is top notch, all the way from my Bose L1 Model II and T1 Tonematch down to every single cable being Mogami.

I'd like to understand how you have things set up.

Could you remind us how you have your TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX and T1® wired up? Please give us lots of detail about the signal path. Are you using a T1® Preset for your microphone?
quote:

I have no problem investing 700.00 more on a mic that will give me forever pristine excellence, despite the $700 "ouch bite". I play several shows per week year round, so investment is just part of being a full time working musician.

That's an interesting way to think about it. Looking at it this way, my first Neumann KMS 105 has cost me well less $ 0.50 per use.
quote:

The posts here and the great mic comparison by ST are awesome, yet now pretty dated, so here's my situation and asking advice before I bite the bullet and purchase the KMS 105 Monday.

I haven't updated my microphone comparison because I haven't had any reason to buy other microphones until recently. More on that in a minute.
quote:

I've been using the TC-Helicon MP-75 mic, matching the Voicelive Play GTX I use. I've been very happy and had nothing but applause and bravos concerning the quality of my sound, show after show after show.

The local stores don't stock the TC Helicon MP-75. I haven't used or heard one.
quote:

Until my own recent evaluation. I purchased a Zoom Q4n video camera for it's superb audio quality. And I DO mean superb! Makes my Taylor sound like the greatest guitar ever played through a system........and very accurately, just as it comes out of the Bose. That accuracy of recorded sound also reveals that....my voice sounds muffled in comparison to the clarity and out front sound of the guitar. It isn't caused by camera placement, this happens at all angles at all distances.

Are you connecting the TC-Helicon MP-75 directly to the VoiceLive Play GTX or to the T1®? I just checked the Manual for the TC Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX¹ and I see that there are special settings for the MP-75 (e.g. Dynamic/Condenser/MP-75). I can't tell if the setting for MP-75 has special processing or if it's just to support the Mic Control button on the MP-75.

Suggestion: Connect the MP-75 directly to the T1® and use this Preset.
Category: Vocal Mics
Preset: Handheld Mics

Record what you hear.
Try Bypassing the Preset.
Try this with and without the wind screen.

How are the plosives?
Does it sound muffled?

We are trying to figure out if the 'muffled'ness that you are hearing is in the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX or the microphone.

quote:

I use a foam windscreen on the mic because the plosives are just way too present without it. I think this is my culprit. Using it bare isn't an option.

Have you tried different kinds of foam windscreens?

Have you tried close microphone technique? I've found that I can reduce plosives with some dynamic microphones by being really close to the microphone (lips barely brushing the metal windscreen).


quote:


Live, in my own ears, it all sounds great and balanced/clear..but I also realize that I'm also hearing my own voice in my head as well as what immediately surrounds my "head-hearing"... as well as what is coming through the Bose. This muffling isn't a bad lacking, it just isn't what I know it COULD be and I'd like both my live "through the Bose" voice and video recordings to give me that punch/clarity/upfront result. Of the gazillion mics and reading a gazillion reviews for each, it looks like the Neumann KMS 105 is the closest to accurate solution I could ask for.

I recently picked up four EV ND767a microphones. I got them sight-unseen (unheard and untested) on the basis of a strong recommendation from a well qualified and highly trusted source. They were on clearance for around $50 USD a few months ago as ElectroVoice has discontinued them. That was less than half of the regular price.

I've been meaning to write a review of these microphones but it hasn't been a priority yet. Here's what I can tell you based on some things I tried tonight.

ToneMatch® Presets
Without the T1® and the ToneMatch Presets, the EV ND767a is okay. I've tried it without the T1® through conventional PA systems. It was at least the equal of a Shure SM58. With the T1® and the EV ND767a Preset, it sounds much better. I chose the EV ND 767a to do some comparisons to the Neumann KMS 105.

Without the Presets the Neumann KMS 105 sounds much better than the EV ND767a.
With the Presets the difference between the two microphones is much less.

Plosives
Plosives were less apparent with the Neumann KMS 105 than with the EV ND767a.

I've found the Neumann KMS 105 to be better at dealing with plosives than other microphones so this was not a surprise.

I used Neumann KMS 105 with TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX without the T1® on occasion and I was happy with the results. I no longer have the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX so I can't do any more testing with it for comparison.

quote:

Before I drop these seven big one$$ this week, I'd like to ask the community here of KMS 105 users, if this investment will or could, in your opinion, put the voice with more clarity, more out front, with more punch for me without use of any external windscreen or foam cover? Feedback resistance is supposed to be excellent with the 105. And to also just share their experiences with the KMS 105. For those using any different mic that has experienced the same "mufflish" problem, whether caused by foam windscreen or not, are there any tips, tricks, T1 settings that have made a clarity/punch difference for them? Thanks for any and all feedback on this! I trust you guys!!


I've suggested some things above to help you determine if the source of the "mufflish" problem is the TC-Helicon MP-75, TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX, or the windscreen. And then, to hear if you can improve the situation with microphone technique or by routing the microphone directly to the T1®.

A few more thoughts about the Neumann KMS 105
Gain-Before-Feedback with the Neumann KMS 105 has been really good. I use close-microphone technique, optimal gain staging, and the T1® Noise Gate.

I recently had to get another high end vocal microphone. I got a second Neumann KMS 105. I can't imagine a higher recommendation.



Can you return the Neumann KMS 105 if it isn't everything you hope it will be?

ST

Edit ¹ link more detailed Owners Manual for the VoiceLive Play GTX
Hello,

I've been using a Shure SM87a microphone for quite a while now and have been very happy with this microphone, and continue to be. I use a foam windshield with it and have never found there to be any 'issues' with it muddying the vocals. I do know of a couple of singers who refuse to use windshields because they believe windshields reduce high frequencies (which, to some vocalists, equals a more 'muddy' sound). I've used my mics with, and without, windshields, and have never observed any negative issues as a result of a loss of high frequencies.

Recently I bought into this microphone:
MBHO Vocal Mic

This has now become my go-to mic. Though I still like, and use, the SM87A, this MBHO mic seems (to my ears) to have a more neutral sound reproduction, requiring hardly any EQ, etc. It's very subtle but a side-by-side comparison makes it noticeable.

The MBHO is a dynamic microphone but it has condenser-like qualities to its sound. Not quite as expensive as the Neumann KMS105 but still in the same league, sound-quality-wise, I believe.

I wouldn't recommend you run out and buy one, though I would suggest you try to audition one, next to the KMS 105. As you are about to spend quite a bit of money for your next microphone I do believe the MBHO microphone is worth a look. I bought the super-cardioid version but they are also available in Cardioid. Street price is around $375.00. I bought a second one (for backup). Two of them will run about the cost of the Neumann.

Good luck,

Stu
Thank you both for your feedback. Stuart, thanks for the MBHO info. Hadn't heard of that one! Seems very nice at a lesser price, that's for sure. You may have described my problem better by definition of "reduces high frequencies" rather than muffled. I've ed'd higher frequencies some, but then it gets more airy to me. Good food for thought as far as keeping a "perspective ear". So thanks much!

ST, you are amazing how you help so many with very detailed and time consuming research and experimentation on your part. We are very, very fortunate to have you and I really appreciate your lengthy time spent on me here. I hope I address all this efficiently for you. If I get this to the perfection (probably unreasonably so) that I'm after, I'll come mow your yard! But here goes.

To start, as I've experimented all day, to the point of having to step away for short whiles in order to keep "fresh mind and listening." Just for information:

I always properly gain stage religiously from ►►►Gtx gain►►► T1 Trim Gain►►►Channel Volume. I always begin with T1 Master at 12:00.

I have always and still use very close (lips brushing screen) mic technique. Without the foam screen, the plosives are harsh with p's and b's. I even shaved three different foam screens to change the thickness for testing thinking "thinner might work".....they all still take care of the plosives better, but still not getting that clarity voice over the guitar that I'm after.

From my understanding, the KMS 105 will be a new ball game in mic technique and if I purchase, I may have to re-learn where and how to approach the mic than I am used to. Did you find this to be the case?

The T1 Preset I use is: Handheld Mic. Only today have I experimented with other presets, but so far, either a definite no, or needing some extra tweaking further than the Handheld Mic preset I now use. But some more experiments with some tweaking may help some? a lot?

I only use a total of 4 vocal processing harmonies out of the gazillion of the GTX, but granted, GTX DOES somewhat eq/color the overall result no matter the preset or created selection. This is even without the "hit" of the actual harmonies. 98% of my entire show uses either none, or only 2 of the factory presets. I use sometimes 2 that I created myself for some special song situations.

I do not have the option to put MP-75 mic straight into the T1, as I lose the GTX harmony and effects that I use.

Here is my setup: MP-75 mic straight into GTX...GTX left channel Mono OUT to T1 Tonematch Channel 1. I use the MP-75 preset on the GTX. I've experimented them all and seems the GTX preset is definitely the best from THAT end of things. I have used a Ditto Mic Looper before between the GTX and the T1, but the true bypass has never caused a difference. The overall sound is the same, whether I use that unit or not.

I have experimented with comp settings on the T1, but not the Gate so much. You mentioned this ST.....what are good or better ways to experiment with gate settings.....or is that really necessary in your opinion.

I'm not including my guitar routing here as I don't use the GTX guitar effects, and the sound chain from that has absolutely perfect acoustic sound that I'm very happy with. So other than tell you the guitar is straight into the GTX instrument jack, I'll save space not including that chain. Unless there is something I'm missing that you can straighten me out on that would help in the processing and chain as well.

For now, please know that what I have in this "muffle" vocal sound (lack of better word to describe it), I am NOT unhappy with what has already been since I've owned the L1 Model II. It's just that now with trying to create good "live" videos and my own picky-musician-gotta satisfy myself.......self, I'm trying to approach this for better....for what my ear WANTS to hear that knows it could. If that makes sense.

Also, I order almost everything I own from ZZounds whenever posssible. Service is more than awesome, prices very competitive, and I can return anything within 30 days, no questions asked. So it's not like I can't send it back, but I ethically really would like to avoid this, because while they smile always and never hassle or question (think my having spent thousands with them has anything to do with it? LOL!) I really would rather not do a return for an item in perfect condition. Especially a $700 one because then they cannot sell it brand new again. That just doesn't feel right to me, BUT, that said, if it's the only way to try should I purchase this, I suppose that's the route.

Thank you again for all your time, effort and genuine help here. I'll update as I explore and discover more.

You guys are the best! Tom
Hi Tom,

quote:
Originally posted by Musicianthomas:
Thank you both for your feedback. Stuart, thanks for the MBHO info. Hadn't heard of that one! Seems very nice at a lesser price, that's for sure. You may have described my problem better by definition of "reduces high frequencies" rather than muffled. I've ed'd higher frequencies some, but then it gets more airy to me. Good food for thought as far as keeping a "perspective ear". So thanks much!

ST, you are amazing how you help so many with very detailed and time consuming research and experimentation on your part. We are very, very fortunate to have you and I really appreciate your lengthy time spent on me here.

Happy to help.
quote:


I hope I address all this efficiently for you. If I get this to the perfection (probably unreasonably so) that I'm after, I'll come mow your yard! But here goes.

To start, as I've experimented all day, to the point of having to step away for short whiles in order to keep "fresh mind and listening." Just for information:

I always properly gain stage religiously from ►►►Gtx gain►►► T1 Trim Gain►►►Channel Volume. I always begin with T1 Master at 12:00.

I have always and still use very close (lips brushing screen) mic technique. Without the foam screen, the plosives are harsh with p's and b's. I even shaved three different foam screens to change the thickness for testing thinking "thinner might work".....they all still take care of the plosives better, but still not getting that clarity voice over the guitar that I'm after.

What setting are you using for the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX Tone? Here's an excerpt from the manual.


--=== Click to download the full manual ===--

quote:

From my understanding, the KMS 105 will be a new ball game in mic technique and if I purchase, I may have to re-learn where and how to approach the mic than I am used to. Did you find this to be the case?

Given what you've described, I don't think this will be a whole new ball game for you. You may want to use the T1® zEQ to reduce the Low by -3 dB. Tune that by ear. But for microphone technique, as long as you are singing on-axis, you should be fine.
quote:

The T1 Preset I use is: Handheld Mic. Only today have I experimented with other presets, but so far, either a definite no, or needing some extra tweaking further than the Handheld Mic preset I now use. But some more experiments with some tweaking may help some? a lot?
I only use a total of 4 vocal processing harmonies out of the gazillion of the GTX, but granted, GTX DOES somewhat eq/color the overall result no matter the preset or created selection. This is even without the "hit" of the actual harmonies. 98% of my entire show uses either none, or only 2 of the factory presets. I use sometimes 2 that I created myself for some special song situations.

I do not have the option to put MP-75 mic straight into the T1, as I lose the GTX harmony and effects that I use.

Did you at any point connect the microphone directly into the T1®? I know that you won't do this in a live situation. This is just a diagnostic step to find out if the muffled sound is originating in the VoiceLive Play GTX.

We want to understand this because if the issue is in the VoiceLive Play GTX (and we can't fix it), then switching to the Neumann KMS 105 won't fix the issue.

If the microphone is clearer when you connect it directly to the T1® then reconnect the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX. Then try setting the Tone Style to OFF. Is that better? Try the other Tone Styles.

Another thing to try: Set up the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX to DUAL Mono.



Run the Left and Right outputs to separate T1® Channels. This will give you more control over the dry vocals. You might be able to tune things up so that they sound better to you.

quote:


Here is my setup: MP-75 mic straight into GTX...GTX left channel Mono OUT to T1 Tonematch Channel 1. I use the MP-75 preset on the GTX. I've experimented them all and seems the GTX preset is definitely the best from THAT end of things. I have used a Ditto Mic Looper before between the GTX and the T1, but the true bypass has never caused a difference. The overall sound is the same, whether I use that unit or not.

I have experimented with comp settings on the T1, but not the Gate so much. You mentioned this ST.....what are good or better ways to experiment with gate settings.....or is that really necessary in your opinion.

I use the T1® Noise Gate to get the T1® to shut down a microphone channel when I'm not singing into the microphone. See: Noise Gate
quote:

I'm not including my guitar routing here as I don't use the GTX guitar effects, and the sound chain from that has absolutely perfect acoustic sound that I'm very happy with. So other than tell you the guitar is straight into the GTX instrument jack, I'll save space not including that chain. Unless there is something I'm missing that you can straighten me out on that would help in the processing and chain as well.

For now, please know that what I have in this "muffle" vocal sound (lack of better word to describe it), I am NOT unhappy with what has already been since I've owned the L1 Model II. It's just that now with trying to create good "live" videos and my own picky-musician-gotta satisfy myself.......self, I'm trying to approach this for better....for what my ear WANTS to hear that knows it could. If that makes sense.

Also, I order almost everything I own from ZZounds whenever posssible. Service is more than awesome, prices very competitive, and I can return anything within 30 days, no questions asked. So it's not like I can't send it back, but I ethically really would like to avoid this, because while they smile always and never hassle or question (think my having spent thousands with them has anything to do with it? LOL!) I really would rather not do a return for an item in perfect condition. Especially a $700 one because then they cannot sell it brand new again. That just doesn't feel right to me, BUT, that said, if it's the only way to try should I purchase this, I suppose that's the route.

A thought about the "ethically" point. That's considerate of you, but this is also built-into ZZounds' business model. You are paying for the option to return it whether or not you choose to exercise that option in this particular case.

I commend you for doing your due diligence. Still, you won't really know how the Neumann KMS 105 is going to work for you until you try it.

quote:

Thank you again for all your time, effort and genuine help here. I'll update as I explore and discover more.

You guys are the best! Tom


ST
Thanks so much ST!! Sorry for the delay responding....two gigs and not being able to continue experimenting held me a bit. But good news at the end of the week. Next Sunday & Monday a big venue I play is remodeling/changing a kitchen and the owner is allowing me to come spend the entire day getting videos/practice and do this experimentation right there where I perform each week. This is even better than doing this at home. I have ordered the KMS 105 and therefore will be able to test both and keep the winner of all this experimenting and also try all you are suggesting.

Your suggestions and help are awesome in that I did not think of coming out of the GTX that way. I DO use Dual Mono for the out, but only the left channel as stereo isn't my priority, yet the word DUAL is there for a reason, huh? I hadn't thought of that giving me more control on the T1.

And I had not thought of mic going direct into T1 JUST for experimental purpose. Thanks for aligning my brain into troubleshooting mode, rather than practical "as I use the chain" mode. All of these things I will be trying and I KNOW I will end up with this awesome pristine vocal that I'm likely unreasonably demanding. But dang, when you know what you know what you know concerning Bose and the perfected sound, well, that part of me just comes out.
Thanks again, and I'm "noting" all you are suggesting so if you think of anything else as experimental let me know. I'll be writing on the comparisons of the mics and the results of all this experiment just as soon as I get to Sunday to do so in that environment.
I really appreciate all your time and attention to me in this. Not everyone is so fortunate as to have your help like this!!
Have a great week! Tom
Greetings Again! I both purchased the Neumann KMS 105 and was able to spend the entire morning locked in a venue I play and will return again this afternoon for experimenting. First, ST, your suggestions paid off with a bang! Using the Helicon MP-75, the sound is much more clear still using the foam windscreen but with the setting on the Play GTX on "more bright". Plugging into the T1 directly also worked for more clarity so that placed more emphasis on the GTX being one culprit of the sound I am after. That said, The Neumann KMS 105.....WOW! I am so blown away by the quality of this thing. Singing seems quite effortless and the clarity instantly became a whole new Universe. I say that because I was already well pleased with the MP-75 to begin with....and so were my audiences. By using the T1 preset for the KMS 105, just WOW! My video recordings from the Zoom Q4n video camera are just over the top now! Very pleased. BUT, where the Neumann really shines is in my studio setup going through a mixer into a Focusrite Interface. It's like having been deaf and all of a sudden you are hearing the Universe for the first time! Like someone taking a pillow off of your voice. Only thing about the Neumann is....it's quite unforgiving. It finds every single tiny sound and nuance of your voice and translates it very, very transparently. As a result, I am already in a few short days, improved, and using very little EQ. That said, I'm still experimenting the rest of the day...and if it gets any better than I've gotten so far, I'm really going to be blown away. Just as a "review-ish" kind of note, $700 is granted, a lot for a microphone, but when connected with the Bose or in the studio, it's already worth every dime. Thanks again for all your help and I'll report back any changes and improvements, though I can't see really how at this point. Really appreciate all your help! Tom
Hi Tom,

Thank you for bringing us along on your journey.

I'm pretty careful when talking about the Neumann KMS 105. It works for me, but that's no guarantee that it will work for someone else. There are so many variables.

I'm very happy that you were able to drill down into the settings of the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX and get to know it better. It's also good to know that some of those diagnostic steps helped you to come to a better understanding of your signal chain.

$700 may sound like a lot of money for a microphone, but compared to what? When I look at all the other stuff I haul out to a gig, it's not out of line. Vocals are front and centre in my live mixes.

Almost no one cares about the guitar I'm playing, the name on the headstock, or the tone. But almost everyone who is listening, even a little, will notice the quality of the vocals.

It's sounds like you are having fun. And that's great.

ST
ST posted:
Greetings Musicianthomas,

I would have gotten back to you sooner but I wanted to do some testing.

Summary:
I've considered what you've told us, and I'm not sure that we can predict whether or not the Neumann KMS 105 will solve your problem. There are too many variables to consider. I don't want to discourage you in your quest for perfection. However, I'm going to suggest some things that you can try.

quote:
Originally posted by Musicianthomas:
Greetings Gang! I have read ALL of the many posts and comparisons concerning the Neumann KMS 105 mic, both here and the many, many other online reviews and forums. (of which 99% are 5 star all the way reviews).

Most all my equipment is top notch, all the way from my Bose L1 Model II and T1 Tonematch down to every single cable being Mogami.

I'd like to understand how you have things set up.

Could you remind us how you have your TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX and T1® wired up? Please give us lots of detail about the signal path. Are you using a T1® Preset for your microphone?
quote:

I have no problem investing 700.00 more on a mic that will give me forever pristine excellence, despite the $700 "ouch bite". I play several shows per week year round, so investment is just part of being a full time working musician.

That's an interesting way to think about it. Looking at it this way, my first Neumann KMS 105 has cost me well less $ 0.50 per use.
quote:

The posts here and the great mic comparison by ST are awesome, yet now pretty dated, so here's my situation and asking advice before I bite the bullet and purchase the KMS 105 Monday.

I haven't updated my microphone comparison because I haven't had any reason to buy other microphones until recently. More on that in a minute.
quote:

I've been using the TC-Helicon MP-75 mic, matching the Voicelive Play GTX I use. I've been very happy and had nothing but applause and bravos concerning the quality of my sound, show after show after show.

The local stores don't stock the TC Helicon MP-75. I haven't used or heard one.
quote:

Until my own recent evaluation. I purchased a Zoom Q4n video camera for it's superb audio quality. And I DO mean superb! Makes my Taylor sound like the greatest guitar ever played through a system........and very accurately, just as it comes out of the Bose. That accuracy of recorded sound also reveals that....my voice sounds muffled in comparison to the clarity and out front sound of the guitar. It isn't caused by camera placement, this happens at all angles at all distances.

Are you connecting the TC-Helicon MP-75 directly to the VoiceLive Play GTX or to the T1®? I just checked the Manual for the TC Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX¹ and I see that there are special settings for the MP-75 (e.g. Dynamic/Condenser/MP-75). I can't tell if the setting for MP-75 has special processing or if it's just to support the Mic Control button on the MP-75.

Suggestion: Connect the MP-75 directly to the T1® and use this Preset.
Category: Vocal Mics
Preset: Handheld Mics

Record what you hear.
Try Bypassing the Preset.
Try this with and without the wind screen.

How are the plosives?
Does it sound muffled?

We are trying to figure out if the 'muffled'ness that you are hearing is in the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX or the microphone.

quote:

I use a foam windscreen on the mic because the plosives are just way too present without it. I think this is my culprit. Using it bare isn't an option.

Have you tried different kinds of foam windscreens?

Have you tried close microphone technique? I've found that I can reduce plosives with some dynamic microphones by being really close to the microphone (lips barely brushing the metal windscreen).


quote:


Live, in my own ears, it all sounds great and balanced/clear..but I also realize that I'm also hearing my own voice in my head as well as what immediately surrounds my "head-hearing"... as well as what is coming through the Bose. This muffling isn't a bad lacking, it just isn't what I know it COULD be and I'd like both my live "through the Bose" voice and video recordings to give me that punch/clarity/upfront result. Of the gazillion mics and reading a gazillion reviews for each, it looks like the Neumann KMS 105 is the closest to accurate solution I could ask for.

I recently picked up four EV ND767a microphones. I got them sight-unseen (unheard and untested) on the basis of a strong recommendation from a well qualified and highly trusted source. They were on clearance for around $50 USD a few months ago as ElectroVoice has discontinued them. That was less than half of the regular price.

I've been meaning to write a review of these microphones but it hasn't been a priority yet. Here's what I can tell you based on some things I tried tonight.

ToneMatch® Presets
Without the T1® and the ToneMatch Presets, the EV ND767a is okay. I've tried it without the T1® through conventional PA systems. It was at least the equal of a Shure SM58. With the T1® and the EV ND767a Preset, it sounds much better. I chose the EV ND 767a to do some comparisons to the Neumann KMS 105.

Without the Presets the Neumann KMS 105 sounds much better than the EV ND767a.
With the Presets the difference between the two microphones is much less.

Plosives
Plosives were less apparent with the Neumann KMS 105 than with the EV ND767a.

I've found the Neumann KMS 105 to be better at dealing with plosives than other microphones so this was not a surprise.

I used Neumann KMS 105 with TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX without the T1® on occasion and I was happy with the results. I no longer have the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX so I can't do any more testing with it for comparison.

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Before I drop these seven big one$$ this week, I'd like to ask the community here of KMS 105 users, if this investment will or could, in your opinion, put the voice with more clarity, more out front, with more punch for me without use of any external windscreen or foam cover? Feedback resistance is supposed to be excellent with the 105. And to also just share their experiences with the KMS 105. For those using any different mic that has experienced the same "mufflish" problem, whether caused by foam windscreen or not, are there any tips, tricks, T1 settings that have made a clarity/punch difference for them? Thanks for any and all feedback on this! I trust you guys!!


I've suggested some things above to help you determine if the source of the "mufflish" problem is the TC-Helicon MP-75, TC-Helicon VoiceLive Play GTX, or the windscreen. And then, to hear if you can improve the situation with microphone technique or by routing the microphone directly to the T1®.

A few more thoughts about the Neumann KMS 105
Gain-Before-Feedback with the Neumann KMS 105 has been really good. I use close-microphone technique, optimal gain staging, and the T1® Noise Gate.

I recently had to get another high end vocal microphone. I got a second Neumann KMS 105. I can't imagine a higher recommendation.



Can you return the Neumann KMS 105 if it isn't everything you hope it will be?

ST

Edit ¹ link more detailed Owners Manual for the VoiceLive Play GTX

I just bought the KMS 105...  Used the T1 Preset, and zeq flat.  Reverb (Large) at 15%, ... Mic placement 5 feet in front of the L1....  with nothing between the mic and the L1, I was able to get to 1/2 volume without feedback.  Outstanding...  the feedback issue is a great bonus on top of the vocal quality of the mic.  I am extremely pleased.

Yes, Dave!!  Thanks and congrats on the KMS-105!  I'm very happy with it.  I am going to test your settings with my own to see how that works.  Because now I have a new situation.   Since I began this posting, I began having some footswitch button problems with my Voicelive Play GTX....being 4 years old and the switch hit thousands and thousands of times I have no complaint really.  But I've changed purchasing the Voicelive 3 Extreme......and now I have a similar, but newer "getting it just right" problem.  I am going to post it separately.   Thanks you all so much for your input and suggestions.  This is all quite the journey.     Tom  

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