What to Buy

Hi everyone,

I am a mobile DJ that does mostly weddings and school dances. My typical wedding crowds are usually between 100-300 people, but I have done a few already that have had up to 500 people. I use two Bose L1 Compact systems for small receptions and ceremonies. When I need more bass for my smaller events, I use two Bose B2 bass modules that are crossed over using a dbx DriveRack PA2. For my bigger events, I use two Peavey PV118 subwoofers, and two Alto TS112 speakers. I am looking to lighten my load, but want to keep that 18" subwoofer sound for my bigger events and school dances. I am thinking about either the L1 Model II, or the F1 system. Since I already have to Bose B2 bass modules, it would (to me) make sense to buy the L1 Model II, but I don't know if they sell just the tower by itself. Do you guys have any recommendations of which system I should go with? Do you recommend any other systems by other brands (I know this is a Bose forum)? If I went with either Bose system, would you recommend a T4S or T8S ToneMatch mixer, or go without?

Thank you for your help.

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Hi Ryan,

Welcome to the Bose Portable PA Community.  Thanks for your post (and for the embedded links). 

Ryan Martindale posted:

Hi everyone,

I am a mobile DJ that does mostly weddings and school dances. My typical wedding crowds are usually between 100-300 people, but I have done a few already that have had up to 500 people. I use two Bose L1 Compact systems for small receptions and ceremonies.

Thanks for the background information and context.

When I need more bass for my smaller events, I use two Bose B2 bass modules that are crossed over using a dbx DriveRack PA2. For my bigger events, I use two Peavey PV118 subwoofers, and two Alto TS112 speakers. I am looking to lighten my load, but want to keep that 18" subwoofer sound for my bigger events and school dances.

Yes, that 18" is heavy at 73 pounds.  Heavy compared to the F1 Subwoofer at 55 pounds, or the B2 at 45. 

I am thinking about either the L1 Model II, or the F1 system. Since I already have to Bose B2 bass modules, it would (to me) make sense to buy the L1 Model II, but I don't know if they sell just the tower by itself.

Bose always bundles a bass module (B1 or B2) with the L1 Model II. It was engineered as an integrated system. You may be able to work out an arrangement with a dealer. 

Do you guys have any recommendations of which system I should go with?

For the next big step up and the biggest noticeable difference, check out a couple of F1 stacks (F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer).

Do you recommend any other systems by other brands (I know this is a Bose forum)? If I went with either Bose system, would you recommend a T4S or T8S ToneMatch mixer, or go without?

It depends - do you need vocal processing? You didn't mention Karaoke.  For "mostly weddings and school dances" you may not need much more processing with the F1 systems.



Thank you for your help.

Nice to meet you.

ST

Hey ST,

Thanks for the reply! The reason I brought up the T4S and T8S mixers is because I know there is a preset on the T1 mixer for DJ/Playback (Low Volume Music and High Volume Music). I didn't know if the F1 would benefit from those presets or not. I don't do any karaoke, just music playback and a wireless microphone for speeches/toasts.

Also, with the F1 stacks having a shorter height than the others, when they are on the floor with the dancers, will they block a lot of the sound? That is my main concern with the F1 system.

Thanks.

Hi Ryan,

Ryan Martindale posted:

Hey ST,

Thanks for the reply! The reason I brought up the T4S and T8S mixers is because I know there is a preset on the T1 mixer for DJ/Playback (Low Volume Music and High Volume Music). I didn't know if the F1 would benefit from those presets or not.

Yes, the ToneMatch Presets for (Low Volume Music and High Volume Music) work well with the F1.  You might be able to get similar results with the dbx DriveRack PA2.

I don't do any karaoke, just music playback and a wireless microphone for speeches/toasts.

Also, with the F1 stacks having a shorter height than the others, when they are on the floor with the dancers, will they block a lot of the sound? That is my main concern with the F1 system.

Thanks.

When you need more height, you can mount the F1 Model 812 systems on tripod stands. There is a pole mount in the bottom.

ST

Hi ST,

Thank you so much for your input. I'm really not sure which route to take when it comes to buying the Bose systems. I spoke to my sales engineer at Sweetwater and he said the L1 Model II would be the way to go, since it has the 180° sound dispersion. It seems to me that the F1 system is marketed more towards mobile DJ's than the L1 system is. Either way, I would buy two systems to have stereo sound. I would also likely buy one of the ToneMatch mixers (since I already have two L1 Compacts). I would either buy the T4S or the T8S. Based on your experience with multiple systems, which one do you think would be best for a mobile DJ that does weddings and school dances?

Thanks in advance.

Hi Ryan,

Ryan Martindale posted:

Hi ST,

Thank you so much for your input. I'm really not sure which route to take when it comes to buying the Bose systems. I spoke to my sales engineer at Sweetwater and he said the L1 Model II would be the way to go, since it has the 180° sound dispersion.

You've told us you've got two L1 Compacts and two B2 Bass Modules so you're well covered for the smaller settings.

As you know, the L1 Compacts give you 180° sound dispersion so you know what that's like. The L1 Model II systems will project the sound much farther than the L1® Compacts.

It seems to me that the F1 system is marketed more towards mobile DJ's than the L1 system is.

The F1s will give you higher volume and deeper bass for the high school dance floor than the L1 Model II systems.  The L1 Model II systems will give you more even volume throughout the space.

Either way, I would buy two systems to have stereo sound.

This is interesting.

I've found a couple of L1 Model II systems will give you a really wide stereo sweet spot. You don't have to be in the middle between two of them to hear stereo.

Because the F1 Model 812 systems have narrower horizontal dispersion, I hear a sharper more distinct stereo image, but I need to be closer to the middle between them to hear it. 

This may not matter much if the listeners are moving around in the sound field. 



I would also likely buy one of the ToneMatch mixers (since I already have two L1 Compacts). I would either buy the T4S or the T8S. Based on your experience with multiple systems, which one do you think would be best for a mobile DJ that does weddings and school dances?

Thanks in advance.

The T4S and T8S sound the same. But the T8S has more input channels (8 instead of 4). You have more options for outputs with the T8S.  This will be useful if you want to run the L1 Compact systems at the same time as the new F1 or L1 units.

T4S

  • Two ToneMatch outputs (connect to L1 Model II systems)
  • Two Analog Outputs (1/4" Left and Right)
  • Two Aux Outputs
  • Four mono inputs (use for up to two stereo sources or two mics and one stereo source)


T8S

  • Two XLR outputs (XLR Left and Right)
  • Two Analog Outputs (1/4" Left and Right)
  • Four Aux Outputs
  • Eight mono inputs (use for up to four stereo sources or three stereo sources and two mics - or other combinations)


More food for thought.

ST

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Thanks for your reply.  I’m still torn between the L1 and F1 systems. If I decide to go the L1 route, I would probably get the L1 Model II with the B2 modules, so I would have four B2's for bigger events. I know the F1’s have deeper bass, which is a plus for me. I also like the versatility of the F1 top since it can be used by itself if need be. The things that concern me about the L1 is that there might not be enough volume/bass at a larger event. I also wonder about the controls being parallel with the floor. I DJ for some pretty crazy parties here in the midwest and I would hate if someone spilled beer on the controls of the L1. Keep in mind, either way I would purchase two systems and run them in stereo. I do like the fact that the L1 system has 180 degree sound coverage and that they look very sleek and blend in. I do like that the F1 can be pole-mounted on stands if need be. Am I missing anything blatantly obvious about these systems? It’s a lot of money to spend on speakers so I’m proceeding with a lot of caution lol. I just want to replace my current speakers (Alto TS112’s and Peavey PV118’s along with power amps), and I want it to sound better than that system. I apologize for being indecisive.

The dance ended up being postponed (likely until January) due to an incoming snowstorm. As of right now, my next event isn't until New Years Eve, which is a wedding (around 500 people attending). I really hope I end up liking these F1 speakers. They're a little on the heavy side though Maybe I'm just spoiled by my L1 Compacts.

Hi Ryan,

You can't fight the weather. I'm glad you didn't have to battle the snow.

Yes, the F1 systems are heavier than the L1 Compacts. But the F1 systems are completely different. Overall, they deliver a lot of sound per pound. You'll see.

If you have a chance, please take your new F1 system (even just one stack) out to a gig sized venue for a test run. This will give you a better sense of what to expect on New Year's Eve.

Cheers,

ST

Thanks, ST. Yeah, I'm glad they postponed it, it was pretty slippery out there! Fun fact, I'm actually the IT director for the school that hired me for that dance. I might sneak into one of the gyms some night when there's no evening activities and give it a test run. I'll let you know if I end up doing that and also let you know how it goes. I try to keep telling myself, yes it's a little on the heavy side, but it will sound awesome!

I was able to bring my F1's (both stacks) to the gym at the school I work at. Nonetheless, I was amazed. I set them on the floor at first and played around with the vertical array. The "straight" position sounded best when they were on the floor at ear level. I also tried setting them on the stage (3-4 ft. high), and was amazed at that, too. I was thinking I would lose some of the bass, since they weren't on the main floor where I was standing, but they didn't really lose any bass at all. I put them in the "J" position and they sounded great. For these tests, I was running my MacBook Pro with Serato DJ software. I was running my laptop into my Mackie ProFX12 mixer with a flat EQ. I had a DJ friend with me as well. he uses 15" JBL tops and 18" JBL subs. He was amazed at the clarity and how much sound they put out for their size. He said the Bose subs don't go quite as deep as his JBL subs, but it was very close. Overall, I must say I'm impressed. Nice job, Bose! 

Hi Ryan,

Thanks for coming back to tell us about your experience with the F1 Model 812s with the F1 Subwoofers in the school gym.

It sounds like you can approach New Year's Eve with confidence.

Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

ST

Nope, Bose has never made a mixer that has the features/options that I require. I have been hoping for the last 10 years that they would but unfortunately this last batch of mixers that were just released do not what I need.   

For my DJ shows I use Denon X500 & X900 mixers.

For live sound and IT work I use Presonus RM16 & RM32 mixers with Ipads and the CS18AI control surface.

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