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Using L1 compact as monitor with T8S, and T1 L1 Model II, L1 Model 1S,

I have concert this Saturday. I went to see the auditorium and found out that it has terrible acoustics. The auditorium is wide compare to it's length. It's a sold out concert with roughly 250 people. 

I have one L1 compact, one L1 Model II with B2 base and one L1 Model 1S with B2 base. I have one T1 and one T8S tone match.

If it's possible I was thinking of using L1 compact as a monitor and keeping  Model II and 1S on each side of the stage in front. 

So:

1.) Is it possible? If yes how to connect all three? I am using T1 and T8S both. I am still not happy with T8S so using T1 for vocals (2 Vocals) and T8S for instruments (3 instruments) 

2) is it a good idea? 



Edit Subject. Previously "Using L1 compact as monitor"
Bose Pro Community Admin 

Original Post

Hi Shaime,

shaime posted:

I have concert this Saturday. I went to see the auditorium and found out that it has terrible acoustics. The auditorium is wide compare to it's length. It's a sold out concert with roughly 250 people. 

I have one L1 compact, one L1 Model II with B2 base and one L1 Model 1S with B2 base. I have one T1 and one T8S tone match.

If it's possible I was thinking of using L1 compact as a monitor and keeping  Model II and 1S on each side of the stage in front. 

EDIT - Here is a summary of the information that follows.

  1. Update the firmware on the T8S
    T4S/T8S ToneMatch® Mixer Firmware Updates
  2. Try the new Reverb settings
  3. Try your vocals directly into the T8S instead of the T1
    • If you can do with the T8S only, things will be much simpler
  4. When you get to the gig, try to put the L1 Model 1S and L1 Model II behind the performers. If that works, then you don't need to set up the L1 Compact as the monitor
  5. If you cannot get enough gain-before-feedback, move the L1 Model 1S and L1 Model II out beside the performers.  Try to find the spot where you can still hear the L1s for monitors.
  6. Last choice: Put the L1s at the front of the stage and use the L1 Compact as the monitor (behind the performers).  Instructions on how to do that follow below.

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2) is it a good idea?

If can keep the L1 Model 1S and L1 Model II behind you or beside you, you may not need to use the L1 Compact as monitor.  That would be better (no monitor) because adding a monitor complicates your setup, and increases the likelihood of feedback.



I am using T1 and T8S both. I am still not happy with T8S so using T1 for vocals (2 Vocals) and T8S for instruments (3 instruments) 

Have you done the latest firmware update (version 1.1.4) new in November.

T4S/T8S ToneMatch® Mixer Firmware Updates

If not, I strongly suggest you do the update. There have been big changes to the reverb.  You may find, you don't need the T1.

If you don't need the T1, things are simpler.

1.) Is it possible? If yes how to connect all three?

We have previously talked about connecting the T1 to T8S Channel 9. That won't work because you need to use the T8S Aux 1 output to provide a signal to the L1 Compact.

T1 To T8S channel 9 wont work if you need a monitor



It's possible if you connect the T1 Master Output to T8S Channel 8 instead of Channel 9 (as we have previously discussed). 

T1 to T8S to L1 Model II x 2 Channel 8

We have to do this because  You can route Channel 8 to Aux 1. You can't route Aux Channel 9 to Aux 1.

I'll be back in a few minutes with more details about connecting the T8S to the L1 Compact as a monitor.

ST

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Hi Shaime,

Now that you have all the physical connections done, it's time to set up the Aux.

Please see this article.

T8S Aux

Test the full setup before you get to the show. You don't to set this up for the first time on Saturday.

And we're back to these ideas.

  1. Update the firmware on the T8S
    T4S/T8S ToneMatch® Mixer Firmware Updates
  2. Try the new Reverb settings
  3. Try your vocals directly into the T8S instead of the T1
    • If you can do with the T8S only, things will be much simpler
  4. When you get to the gig, try to put the L1 Model 1S and L1 Model II behind the performers. If that works, then you don't need to set up the L1 Compact as the monitor
  5. If you cannot get enough gain-before-feedback, move the L1 Model 1S and L1 Model II out beside the performers.  Try to find the spot where you can still hear the L1s for monitors.
  6. Last choice: Put the L1s at the front of the stage and use the L1 Compact as the monitor (behind the performers).


ST

ST, thanks a billion.

1. Yes, I have upgraded T8S firmware to the latest one but still not happy with the reverb.

2. Unless and until I have to use compact I am planning to use only two L1s.

3. Any recommendations on how far I should place L1s behind performers and what should be the ideal distance between two L1s?

Hi BanjoJames,

BanjoJames posted:

ST, stereo or mono?

That's an interesting question. The short answer: Mono

Shaime told us

shaime posted:

I have concert this Saturday. I went to see the auditorium and found out that it has terrible acoustics. The auditorium is wide compare to it's length. It's a sold out concert with roughly 250 people. 

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 T1 for vocals (2 Vocals) and T8S for instruments (3 instruments)

If the room is wider than it is long, then I'd lean toward running mono. But there are more reasons to do that in this situation.

If Shaime were running the microphones directly into the T8S, then he could pan each microphone, hard to one L1 or the other. This should result in better gain-before-feedback. But since he is running the microphones through the T1 first, he doesn't have the option to pan the microphones individually.  I would pan the T1 (the vocals) up the middle.

Unless there is an artistic reason to pan the instruments to one side or the other, I'd pan them up the middle too.

The result is mono.

That's why we need to have at least 20 feet (6 meters) between the two L1 systems.

ST

Ok, first of all sorry for this delayed response. So I ended up using two L1s. They both were 20 feet apart each other but only about 8-10 feet behind performers. 

Everything worked out very well despite of poor acoustics of the hall. Although for future I may consider adding at least one feed back monitor. Musicians are still not comfortable without feed back monitor. Even-though they were able to hear just fine still they would prefer a feed back monitor. 

Thanks for all the help.

shaime posted:

Ok, first of all sorry for this delayed response. So I ended up using two L1s. They both were 20 feet apart each other but only about 8-10 feet behind performers. 

Everything worked out very well despite of poor acoustics of the hall. Although for future I may consider adding at least one feed back monitor. Musicians are still not comfortable without feed back monitor. Even-though they were able to hear just fine still they would prefer a feed back monitor. 

Thanks for all the help.

Granted I am a DJ/KJ, but I have run into singers that want a separate vocal monitor aside from the main mix coming form the L1.

Even if they are positioned perfectly, they often complain that they cannot hear themselves properly even though they are right there in the mix loud and clear.

And I have never had a situation where an L1 compact was powerful enough to be used as a vocal monitor (especially next to any larger L1).

I always end up having a QSC K10 or two in the wings in case people can't hang with the L1's alone.

The Compact L1 IMO is reserved for smaller non-dance, non-karaoke settings like cocktail hours and small wedding ceremonies.

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