L1 Model II

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Using proprietary Bose® technology, L1 systems combine  PA and monitors into a single, highly portable unit. The  loudspeaker can be positioned behind or to the side —and you hear what the audience hears.

Highly portable PA and monitor combined for solo performers, DJs and general-purpose use. Fixed vertical control with 180° horizontal coverage Reduced vulnerability to feedback.

Three systems to choose from (Compact, Model 1S, Model II)
Two passive bass module options (B1 or B2)
Consistent coverage and tonal balance, portability and easy setup.

Using in-ear monitors with the Bose L1 (type2) via tonematch??

We have an L1 (type2?) system which is used with the tonematch. We play as a four piece band in reasonably small venues with it. We have drums, electric guitar, bass guitar, acoustic guitar and saxophone.

The only things amplified via the Bose system are 2X vocals, acoustic guitar and saxophone (via the 4 channels on the tonematch) I am the singer, acoustic guitar player and saxophone player, so everything I do goes through the L1.

I have suffered with tinnitus and am turning to in-ear monitors to protect myself more. Also when the band is playing and I'm sometimes slightly behind the L1 system (to prevent feedback) it's not easy to hear what I'm doing.

What I want to know is if/how I get a mix of my acoustic guitar, vocals and saxophone from the system into my in-ears? Let's assume the starting point is the L1/tonematch is wired up as above and all I have is my in-ear headphones.

I'm not a sound man so I need things explaining in idiot terms, including descriptions of what wires/accessories I need and what connects to what.

Hope someone can help! Smile
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Hi Linksedge,

Thank you for joining the Forum. I'm glad that you're here.

I'm sorry about your tinnitus.

Let's find out a little more. First What Model L1® do you have?

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Are you connecting the T1® to your L1® using the ToneMatch® cable through the ToneMatch® port?



I'm trying to determine if you T1® Master output is available.



Please tell us about your in-ears. What make and model are they? Do you have an amplifier or controller with a volume control?
Hi,

Thanks for the quick response and the sympathy Smile the tinnitus is not great so I'm just trying to protect myself going forward.

I am 99% sure it's the model II version with two B1 bass modules.

I'm sure the T1 is connected to the L1 using the tonematch port.

I'm completely new to in-ears and have never used them so not really sure how they work. I don't have them yet but After research I have ordered some Audio 64 A3 custom mould in-ears;

https://www.64audio.com/produc...ustom-In-Ear-Monitor

We have a full PA set-up that we use as well as the Bose for bigger venues, and for the big gigs I was looking at buying a wireless system such as the Shure Psm300premium;

http://www.shure.co.uk/product...al-monitoring-system

But saying that, even if I could, I don't want to be using/transporting that gear with me to the smaller Bose gigs and a wireless system is not important for these gigs. (I could transport the body pack if that is used)

The simplest most clutter free way to get my in-ears working with the Bose is what I'm looking for. We are not a heavy band and I will obviously hear something from the L1 so I don't think volume into the in-ears would have to be massive, just enough to sing and hear the chords I'm playing on the acoustic.

Obviously if I have to buy the odd wire or thing to control volume etc that's fine, but I'm not wanting to spend a lot more if I can help it! Smile

Thanks in advance
Hi Linksedge,

Thanks for all the detailed information.

I looked at the Manual for the Shure P3T Transmitter

Here is how I would make the connections.

From: The T1® Master Output




To: The P3T Left input (only). Don't connect anything to the Right input.



Use a ¼ inch jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve cable.



Please try that out and let us know how it works for you.

Thanks.

ST
Hi, thanks for the reply. It is much appreciated.

I'm a little confused. I told you I'm not a sound man Smile Is this suggesting that the T1 plugs into the Psm300 transmitter and then I run my in-ears wirelessly?

As I stated previously, I wouldn't want to use the Shure psm300 transmitter, because the chances are it will be racked with our big PA system and I wouldn't want to transport it to the small gigs with the L1.

Is this the minimum amount of gear I need? I definitely need a transmitter?

If so I need to look for a cheap wired/wireless unit to take with me when I'm gigging with the Bose and connect it as you have noted?
HI Linksedge,

quote:
Originally posted by Linksedge:
Hi, thanks for the reply. It is much appreciated.

I'm a little confused. I told you I'm not a sound man Smile Is this suggesting that the T1 plugs into the Psm300 transmitter and then I run my in-ears wirelessly?

Yes.
quote:

As I stated previously, I wouldn't want to use the Shure psm300 transmitter, because the chances are it will be racked with our big PA system and I wouldn't want to transport it to the small gigs with the L1.

I'm sorry. I got caught up in the details and missed that.

You will need SOMETHING to amplify the output of the T1® to a level that will be audible for you in the in-ears. The combination of the wireless transmitter and receiver will do that for you.

If you aren't using those, then you'll need to get some kind of headphone amplifier.

It might be simpler to get another transmitter and use that when you are not using the rack unit.
quote:


Is this the minimum amount of gear I need? I definitely need a transmitter?

If so I need to look for a cheap wired/wireless unit to take with me when I'm gigging with the Bose and connect it as you have noted?


Before spending money on another complete wireless system, I'd consider getting a second transmitter of the same type and using the one receiver for all occasions.

ST
Hi Linksedge,

That device might work. It might not. There are no detailed specifications.

It looks like it is designed for a microphone input. The output from the T1® could be at a level that is too high to work properly with this device.

Here's what you could do.

When your in-ear headphones arrive use a ¼ inch jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve to 1/8 inch jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve adapter to connect the in-ear monitors to T1® Master Output.

There is a slight chance that this will work, but I think the volume will be too low to be useful in a live stage situation.

Then you'll be shopping for a headphone amp that can take

¼ inch jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve MONO balanced input.

ST
This is a timely thread.

I have the L2 with the B2 sub and tone match. I am very pleased with the system which is used for both solo shows and more recently in a duo.

In the duo scenario, my partner has the same system.

We run our own vocals and guitars through our own Tone Match units. Tracks are split at the source and run into each Tone Match unit.

We are going to explore using each units pre amp out jack to take each other's vocals to the other Tone Match unit as we have noticed that in outdoor venues there can be a "left/right" vocals scenario where the audience on the right hears more vocals from the right side and vice versa. It is not as pronounced in enclosed spaces.

I figure a balanced TRS cable will do that trick.

The vocal issue isn't as noticeable with the guitars.

I have Sennheiser EW300 IEM's. I'm guessing the procedure to set up the IEM's is similar as described in the above thread?

I'm thinking a balanced TRS cable from the Tone Match into a Y splitter with a female connector and two male connectors into the two inputs on the Sennheiser transmitter should give audio in both ears of my IEM's?

Any comments or further suggestions?

Thank you.
Hi again Ted,

I wanted to zoom in on this...

quote:
Originally posted by Ted Bell:
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I have the L2 with the B2 sub and tone match. I am very pleased with the system which is used for both solo shows and more recently in a duo.

In the duo scenario, my partner has the same system.

We run our own vocals and guitars through our own Tone Match units. Tracks are split at the source and run into each Tone Match unit.

We are going to explore using each units pre amp out jack to take each other's vocals to the other Tone Match unit as we have noticed that in outdoor venues there can be a "left/right" vocals scenario where the audience on the right hears more vocals from the right side and vice versa. It is not as pronounced in enclosed spaces.

...


I have several duo partners. We all have our own L1® systems. When we play as a duo, we always bring a system for each performer. We never connect the two system together. For the most part we want to preserve the Cocktail Party Effect. ⇐ please follow the link for more details.

Here's a sketch of how we typically set up.


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The L1®s are close enough that the difference in volume as perceived in the audience is negligible.

If you are not running with the L1®s behind you, then I'd encourage you to try that instead of connecting the two systems together.

ST
I use Westone UM2 in-ears out live quite often these days, like you, for my tinnitus and hearing loss.
I don't like doing it, because I like the L1 sound, but it's something that I must do.
My three other band members all have their own L1s; 1-Compact, 1-Model II and 1-Classic.

My problem, using in-ears, was hearing everyone while keeping labor to a minimum.
I have three T1s, and two of them do nicely for individual monitoring of the 4pc band w/4 voices.
A single T1 can do the trick for me though, and is the simplest.

Here is my first and simplest scenario:

T1
ch 1 My vocal input
ch 2 Overhead drum mic (Beta 57 high above floor tom, aimed toward snare (General Overhead preset/Compressed)
ch 3 My kick mic
ch 4 A PAIR of SM57s for band monitor, with two-into-one XLR cable w/ Imp. Transformer to 1/4 Phono jack (no preset/compressed)

ONLY the kick and my vocal go into my L1 for my live sound.
The AUX send feeds my In-ears, there is enough volume.

I set up my system and get my kick and vocal where I want them, in the room, before putting in my in-ears.
It's usually ready-to-go from the previous gig.

Then I set up my AUX MIX for the phones.

Using the "paired" SM57s, one for Stage Left (guitar/steel player) and his vocal from a Compact.
This mic is attached to a short mic stand just in front of my drums/left aimed at his tower.
The second, the Stage right mic is at drums/right position aimed at singer/guitarist and bassists L1s.
My overhead mic, compressed, lets me hear all my drums, and my vocal and kick go into the AUX as well.

To blend the stage left/and right mics, since I can't adjust them independently, is to position them so they are equal.
It is relatively easy to do, especially if you compress that channel.

I HAVE also used a single Neumann TLM103 for the whole band, and it did well enough, but I prefer the DBL-57 way.
The Sgl TLM works best in rooms where I can hang it out in front of the band.
If there are dancers (and drunks) that is hard to do.

The long version is to use two T1s.
For that I take the Main out of the bassist's MII into channel 4 of T1-2.
Guitarist gets ch 1&2 for his vocal (Classic L1 direct out) and guitar (mic).
Guitar/steel player give me a line out of his Compact (which is fed by a T1, with all his inputs).
The Main out of T1-2 is fed to my T1-1's ch 4 input, giving me a master fader for "the band".

I hope this all makes sense without any pictures.

Have been using these setups for the last two years.
I prefer live-in-the-room, consequences be dammed, but I sure hear better on Monday when I monitor up with the IEs.

In your situation, with two open channels, I can really see using three dynamic mics.
Two Y'd together and the third if needed, all placed strategically within the band.

It's a lot of work, and I really do feel your pain, I have lots of gear.
I hope this helps
Thanks for the post! I'm sorry about your tinnitus!

I still haven't got around to testing my in-ears yet. It is Sod's law that we have not had any gigs using the boss set up since my in ears arrived.

I, like you don't think I'm going to enjoy it half as much, but like you say, needs must!

I think my problem is going to be isolation when I have my in ears in. We only have one system. What goes through that is my vocal, my saxophone, my acoustic guitar and a second vocal. The drums, bass guitar and electric guitar are just natural in the room. I'm hoping that the in ears will give me enough of myself and the natural volume of the rest of it will be enough that I don't feel completely isolated, but we will see.

You say the volume for you vocals and drums is enough? So is that just running a balanced lead from AUX straight into your ears?

It's interesting that you run two mics for the stage. If I was to use an XLR lead to Jack for my acoustic in one of the first three channels, then I could possibly free up another channel in the 4th slot? I could use one for my sax and one for ambient stage, so I can get a bit of everything in my ears?

I apologise if I'm talking nonsense, like I say, I'm no expert

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