First: I own a small Audio Visual company and own tons of Bose L1 and L1 Model II's. We love them and literally use them EVERYDAY for conferences and music. As a musician, I perform with a Model II. As I have done for many years with my awesome T4 mixer, I connected the T8S to my L1 2 system and for the first 20 minutes I was in heaven...then it died, on stage. So I connected an external power supply and connected the ANALOG input into my L2 base and was back up in minutes. I have since learned that this new mixer requires an external power, therefore, you can NOT use the digital output nor the power supplied from the base. I thought this was a large portion of the Tone "MATCH" branding/concept!  I perform in an electronically noisy environment under several neon beer lights (through a professional power conditioner) and I need all the help I can get protecting from EMF (electronic noise). This move by Bose that forces me to send an ANALOG signal across the stage to a  1/4" connector (albeit gold plated, balanced and $100 plus quality) not to mention create an additional power supply to carry, back-up and plug in somewhere, is mind-boggling. I feel deceived although I have since found the: "NOTE: external power supply required for the T8S..." since I purchased it. I now have more stage noise because of this decision by Bose, more cabling and need more power inputs. The purpose of a DIGITAL mixer has just been cancelled out with my addition of this mixer. I may as well use one of my many analog mixers. QUESTION: Does Bose have a team of engineers that are working to design a current booster that will allow professionals like myself that will not compromise sound quality by switching to this mixer OR will I be packaging this unit up after this weekends gig? From a huge fan of BOSE. J.D.

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Hi JD TheDman,

Congratulations on getting your T8S.

TheDman posted:

First: I own a small Audio Visual company and own tons of Bose L1 and L1 Model II's. We love them and literally use them EVERYDAY for conferences and music. As a musician, I perform with a Model II. As I have done for many years with my awesome T4 mixer, I connected the T8S to my L1 2 system and for the first 20 minutes I was in heaven...then it died, on stage.

I understand why you are disappointed.

With your long and happy history with the T1 it's a natural assumption the T8S would work the same way and to miss this part of the T8S owner's guide.

So I connected an external power supply and connected the ANALOG input into my L2 base and was back up in minutes. I have since learned that this new mixer requires an external power, therefore, you can NOT use the digital output nor the power supplied from the base.

Here's a note from Bose

T8S no ToneMatch port connection to L1®

Bose engineered all the ToneMatch mixers (T1®, T4S, T8S) to offer the same excellent quality audio whether you use the ToneMatch cable (T1® or T4S) or a balanced cable (T8S) for audio.

If you are using good quality balanced cables there should be no difference between using any combination of XLR and 1/4 inch Tip-Ring-Sleeve connections.

The benefit of using the Cat-5 cable for the T1® or T4S is convenience because you don't need to use the T1®/T8S power supply. Unfortunately, the Model II Power Stand can not supply enough power to operate a T8S. This is why a ToneMatch Power Supply is included with the T8S.
Source: T8S ToneMatch Mixer

I thought this was a large portion of the Tone "MATCH" branding/concept!  I perform in an electronically noisy environment under several neon beer lights (through a professional power conditioner) and I need all the help I can get protecting from EMF (electronic noise).

Electronically noisy environments are tough however, balanced connections provide good protection from EMF noise.

I did some testing and here is a related discussion: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II



This move by Bose that forces me to send an ANALOG signal across the stage to a  1/4" connector (albeit gold plated, balanced and $100 plus quality) not to mention create an additional power supply to carry, back-up and plug in somewhere, is mind-boggling. I feel deceived although I have since found the: "NOTE: external power supply required for the T8S..." since I purchased it.

I'm sorry you feel deceived. For those reading along, please note: The required power supply is included in the box with the T8S.

I now have more stage noise because of this decision by Bose, more cabling and need more power inputs. The purpose of a DIGITAL mixer has just been cancelled out with my addition of this mixer. I may as well use one of my many analog mixers.

The T8S ToneMatch mixer has all the same ToneMatch features as your T1, including ToneMatch presets, plus more channels, and stereo, and three band ParaEQ  

For a more complete comparison please see: Comparison of the T8S/T4S to T1® ToneMatch audio engine

QUESTION: Does Bose have a team of engineers that are working to design a current booster that will allow professionals like myself that will not compromise sound quality by switching to this mixer

Bose doesn't discuss products that may or may not be in development so no one can assure you that there will be a digital connection between the T8S and the L1 power stands in the future.

OR will I be packaging this unit up after this weekends gig? From a huge fan of BOSE. J.D.

Please be sure to update the firmware

T4S/T8S Firmware Update Instructions 



and take the time to get to know the T8S better during the vendor's return period.  I hope you'll find good reasons to keep it.



Cheers,

ST

 

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