L1 Model II

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Using proprietary Bose® technology, L1 systems combine  PA and monitors into a single, highly portable unit. The  loudspeaker can be positioned behind or to the side —and you hear what the audience hears.

Highly portable PA and monitor combined for solo performers, DJs and general-purpose use. Fixed vertical control with 180° horizontal coverage Reduced vulnerability to feedback.

Three systems to choose from (Compact, Model 1S, Model II)
Two passive bass module options (B1 or B2)
Consistent coverage and tonal balance, portability and easy setup.

T1 Features Poll

Can't really understand the great need for stereo?

1) L1 systems are designed with wide spread to eliminate the need for stereo.
2) You gotta buy and carry around two arrays, not one!

Also, the vote should have allowed more than one answer. That would ultimately give a more realistic picture.
Hi Craig,

Unfortunately the Poll function doesn't allow multiple answers.

Here are some thoughts for Craig and L1® Owners

First - a little background context

  • I use the T1® in front of Classics, Compacts and Model IIs.

  • I always use one T1® for each performer (me or someone else). I have tried sharing T1®s and L1®s. I prefer not to do this. If I have to share an L1®, I bring a T1® for each performer.

  • I have lots of stereo gear (effects, stereo or dual source instruments) I also have multiple L1®s so I could easily run stereo if I wanted to. I don't perceive any need to do this though - although I don't play keyboards live and that might change my perspective on this.

  • When I play in a duo, I use two L1®.

  • When I play in a band I use one L1® for each performer unless I have two or perhaps three performers covering similar roles playing as a section. (for example: horns section)


Stereo

If stereo means having two discrete outputs, (e.g. Left and Right) then the T1® has the ability to do this now using Aux as Left and Master as Right. It's just not very convenient.

Stereo can also include the ability to pan (place the sound source somewhere in the virtual sound field). There is no Pan control in the T1®, but you can control how much sound from a single source goes to Aux or Master (or both). So you can do it. It's just not very convenient.

Stereo suggests to me that you have two signal paths with the same capabilities. We don't have this with the T1® in the sense that the Aux out does not include Reverb. This is not an issue for me, but it is one area in which you could say that the T1® is not capable of stereo.

Stereo usually includes an easy way to manage the volume of both Left and Right sides at the same time. There isn't a way to do that with Aux and Master Outputs on the T1®.

Is Stereo relevant to me? No; but if I was running as a duo with stereo backing tracks two L1®s (any kind) and trying to route everything through a single T1® then I might want it. But I accept the premise that the T1® is a personal interface for a single performer. Sharing a T1® takes me too far away from how I like to work with it.

Additional Channels
Using the T1® for just me (not sharing) I have rarely needed more channels. If you give me another mic/line combo input I might use it, but NOT if you have to make the T1® bigger to do it.

Amp Modeling
I could use a really clean, touch responsive, tube-like warmth with a little bit of break up that was controllable with the volume control of my guitar.

Headphone Jacks
I can plug headphones into the Master Output or the Aux Output. I get the same sound in both ears (probably 180 ° out of phase - but I can't hear that in headphones). Since the T1® is mono device, being able to use headphones in this way is fine for me. If I really needed to hear stereo, I could rig up something to take Aux and Master Outputs and send them as Left and Right into headphones. I haven't needed to do this.

Remote Foot Control
I would like to have a hands-free way to interact with the T1®, but I'm not sure how often I would use it.

I could imagine it would be nice to:

  • Mute/Unmute a channel

  • Turn effects on / off - OR-

  • Redirect an input to a different channel with a different set of effects

A couple more xlr ins on the T1 would seem appropriate - just in case someone drops by to sit in, or if I want to have an electric guitar ready to go, along with my 6 and 12 string acoustics...

Funny thing is, I bought the T1 just to expand on the xlr ins found on my model 1 - thus far, I have not required them. Playing solo, I prefer the sound of the L1 straight into the head w/o the T1...
The foot switch is the big one for me and it's the only major gripe I've got with the T1.

Does ANYONE turn effects like chorus or flange on and LEAVE them on all the time?

We've got all these wonderful digital effects but I never use any of them because I can't switch them off without going over to the T1 and fiddling with it.

I'd love to have a foot switch that lets me turn the various effects categories on or off

While we're fantasizing (this would be REALLY cool), I'd like to switch between zEQ settings or - more realistically - scenes.

Example: I play bass in a Motown/Soul/Funk/R&B band. When I'm playing funk, I'd like a really scooped sound for slapping, but when I play Motown, I want an old-school thump with midrange presence. I'd love to be able to hit a footswitch and make that happen.

So let's say I could choose two scenes and designate them A and B. The two are identical except for the bass zEQ. Hit the switch and the scenes toggle. Simple.

For that matter, the same thing could be used to toggle effects... just save the on/off settings as a new scene... Hmmmmm.....

Okay, how's this: Have a four-button footswitch (easy) and have each button call up one of four user-definable scenes. That should be enough to keep most people happy.

The thing that keeps hope alive for me is that the necessary connection is already there, in the form of the USB port. We don't need an all-new T1.
Craig, you should have added a "all of the above" choice!
Amp modeling is on top of my list, but the results of the poll say differently Roll Eyes.
I would gladly trade in the chorus, phaser and flanger for it!

Wow, can you guys see the foot control? a nice black thing with HUGE mute buttons that your feet are just DYING to step on? Smile
More flexible EQ to help control feedback would be good.

We've been pushing our systems pretty hard and struggling a bit even using an RTA and the parametric EQ to ring out the room. We can get the primary resonant frequency sorted but we often wind up feeding back on the secondary frequency before we get enough gain to make the audience happy. The singer is starting to complain and her lips are ON the mic screen. The natives are restless.

I'm actually considering inserting a third-band EQ or even a (shudder) feedback destroyer into one of the vocal channels to get this solved. That goes against the whole LESS GEAR mantra by which I've lived my life since going with the L1.
I can see I'm way late to this party but I'll chime in anyway. My vote was for the amp modeler, if I can only vote once that is my choice. I have to admit though, only being am L1 user for less than a year, there have been different stages of my evolution in learning the gear in which I would have voted differently. So I can see how there is no right answer. Before I got my second L1 I would have liked more channels. That would still be cool if mic'ing a small drum kit like the Taye go-kit.

I'm with ST in that for me at this point, I like it small enough to fit on my mic stand but can see how a larger unit with mulitple channels and stereo outs would offer some flexibility in certain situations.

Initially though I'm for updates that can be flashed into the firmware. Which would include the amp model and Andrew Douglas' idea of perhaps some kind of feedback destroyer or EQ that can handle that kind of job. I can do a pretty good job with the paraEQ but anything that helps with feedback can be a great tool in certain situations.
quote:
Originally posted by Andrew Douglas:
Okay, how's this: Have a four-button footswitch (easy) and have each button call up one of four user-definable scenes. That should be enough to keep most people happy.

The thing that keeps hope alive for me is that the necessary connection is already there, in the form of the USB port. We don't need an all-new T1.

Also my vote for this.
Optional USB-Footcontroller for T1 in this way would be just great.
If more options are available like having a stereo output, then that is good. For those who do not wan't it they can still use the left output for mono set up. The beauty of having more options is more flexibility. I am a solo performer but in times of having to play with other instrumentalists, I need a stereo output for two L1 so that I can control all the inputs from one T1 mixer. Would be nice too for more inputs so this beast mixer can be used for multi users. More inputs, the better. Stereo output, the better. More is better as long as the portability is not sacrificed and the options with the original like going mono is still available. 12 or 16 inputs? wow this beast would compete presonus, mackie dl, and other digital mixers in the market today for medium full band set up.
quote:
Why would Bose make a mixer with less then 4 LXR input in the 1st place?


The T1 mixer is well suited to the Bose concept of 1 L1, per musician. While it will easily handle 2 players, it does sound best and gives great sonic placement for each musician when used in that manner.

As a solo performance, I use the following:
1 Headworn condenser mic on chan 1
1 spare hand held mic for guests on chan 2
1 Guitar on Chan 3
Right and left tracks from a Laptop, summed via USB
Right and Left tracks into the 1/4 jacks on 4 and 5 for a break music ipod.

Yes a 4th input for a guest or partner's guitar would be nice.
Craig,Is Bose fixing to come out with a new tone match. Musicians friend and American musical supply don't have any new ones for sale. what's up?
Mike
PS I would like to have a master in for jumping multipel T1's in series. I have to use one channel when I do this now"I have 2".
More channels would be great.
Hi, I do lots of outdoors gigs. I like the T1, but please give me real RUDE LIGHTS. I look like a fool when trying to find out what button is on or off, covering the T1 with my hands, bringing my head close and peering into the dark. This is my single biggest unpractical aspect about the T1.
Other wishes:
-better reverb
-better tuner
Hi paradis,

Please see: T1® Tuner.

Thanks!

quote:
Originally posted by paradis:
Hi, I do lots of outdoors gigs. I like the T1, but please give me real RUDE LIGHTS. I look like a fool when trying to find out what button is on or off, covering the T1 with my hands, bringing my head close and peering into the dark. This is my single biggest unpractical aspect about the T1.
Other wishes:
-better reverb
-better tuner
OPTION to have stereo output to make it more flexible. I have two L1 MODEL 2 and two B2 SUBS. I use one for small gigs. I use two when playing more than a hundred crowd. I have to use another mixer when using the two L1 and it sounds great than using the T1 with two L1 by way of AUX out which really causes phase cancellation because T1 main out produces summed stereo and coupled with aux really sounds weird unless I have to separate the system by twenty feet apart. You may wonder why I use two when over a hundred crowd because I play one man band playing listening and dance tunes back to back with my son who is a DJ. A selector would be nice when using as stereo or summed stereo.

Hope stereo option would be added to make T1 really flexible and would satisfy us performers who love to listen two system than from one system or source.
Like some others posting here, a stereo option on the T1 would be really useful. I play solo with backing tracks and most small gigs my L1M2 directly behind me as intended is perfect but I also play large indoor and outdoor gigs where I have to place my L1M2 out to the side simply because of volume. For these larger gigs I am doing a master send to a second quality powered speaker to my other side of the stage so I have sound on both sides of me. I haven't noticed phase cancellation yet probably because they are different speakers and placed wide enough apart. Discrete L&R stereo sends from my T1 would certainly make it truly versatile. I wonder whether the clever designers at Bose could do this with a firmware update or a simple after market mod. I would also like at least one more channel for my solo gigging but not at the cost of a significant size increase. I'd certainly upgrade to a T2 just for the stereo feature.
Hello Everyone,

Thank you for all the great contributions here. We are listening.

"As a rule, we do not discuss future product development plans. I'm confident that the reasons are obvious. At the same time, I think you can ... reflect on the lifespan of Bose products and realize that unlike the consumer electronics industry as a whole, we are completely at the opposite end of the spectrum." — Ken-at-Bose
quote:
Originally posted by paradis:
Hi, I do lots of outdoors gigs. I like the T1, but please give me real RUDE LIGHTS. I look like a fool when trying to find out what button is on or off, covering the T1 with my hands, bringing my head close and peering into the dark. This is my single biggest unpractical aspect about the T1.
Other wishes:
-better reverb
-better tuner


Yep this is quite an oversight by Bose Engineering. I would love to see you set up a system in your parking lot out in the sun...I'll mute some and not others and have you tell me which ones are which just by looking. A fail for sure.

Moon Dog
Gotta love this thread...long time L1 Type II user. I have two systems including two T1's.

For sure undoubtedly the mixer needs more channels. So much goodness in a small package...but people sit in on performances...Many of us have acoustic and electric setups. I would love to have a direct and mic'd cab sound for my electric...

OR

I bought two T1s so technically I have 8 channels right? Wrong. You have to Daisy chain into one of the channels of the second T1. In my concert setup where I use everything I have to send each channel to the second mixer...it is such a waste.

There should be a way to connect Two T1s ...USB to USB? Master to AUX? (I know they are outputs) but with software you can do anything.

Thanks for listening.

Moon Dog.
Hi Moon Dog,

Please see this new thread: Connect two T1®s to a Model II Power Stand

quote:
Originally posted by Moon Dog:
Gotta love this thread...long time L1 Type II user. I have two systems including two T1's.

For sure undoubtedly the mixer needs more channels. So much goodness in a small package...but people sit in on performances...Many of us have acoustic and electric setups. I would love to have a direct and mic'd cab sound for my electric...

OR

I bought two T1s so technically I have 8 channels right? Wrong. You have to Daisy chain into one of the channels of the second T1. In my concert setup where I use everything I have to send each channel to the second mixer...it is such a waste.

There should be a way to connect Two T1s ...USB to USB? Master to AUX? (I know they are outputs) but with software you can do anything.

Thanks for listening.

Moon Dog.
More channels would be very useful for me and a footswitch would be very handy. Personally I don't much see the point of stereo for the L1, but can see how it may be useful if you are running multiple systems. It would be handy to have some onboard amp modelling and presets for Yamaha acoustics would be great!
To avoid having to fiddle with the mixer during performances for fx, it would be great to be able to adjust/change fx presets via remote control by any of the available ways available--midi would be great for this. And of course any mixer these days should be able to be operated in stereo. This would make the fx sound better, also. Even if the mixer doubled in size with these improvements, it would still be compact enough.
Hello,

I think I once responded to a similar poll, about additional features being implemented in the T1.

I've used my T1s for longer time now, and have had more time to think about additional features I'd like, so here goes...

Overall I'm pleased with the way the T1 has been designed, and operates. So my requests are minimal.

I'd like Bose to consider the following additions:

1. Allow the user to chain those internal effects that are grouped as "this one" or "that one" but not "both at the same time", together, instead of only allowing one per channel (e.g. compressor and gate).

2. Allow the user to select which screen they would like to display when the T1 startus up, (other than what Bose chooses). For example, I'd like my T1s to start up showing the Preferences/Inputs screen.

3. Allow any of the available screens to be mapped to a 'custom quick access (toggle) button so that I can get at it quickly. Then, by pressing the button again, revert back to the previous screen (e.g. quick access to the tuner while I'm on the inputs screen; then back to the inputs screen once I toggle the quick access button again).

4. Many people have requested additional channels, while also requesting not to increase the T1 footprint. How about making available a six or eight channel input box that could sit on the floor (e.g. at the base of the mic stand supporting the T1), and connect it to the T1 via Ethernet. Access to those channels would be from the T1 without increasing the size of the T1, etc.

I'd also like to have direct outputs with individual gain control if possible, so I can send signals to a multi-channel recording device I have, along with channel insert points. Wouldn't need these features on the T1 itself, only on the "stage box", so it can be as big as it needs to be to support the additional I/O points, etc. And the T1 could remain the size it is.

Thank you.

Stu

Edit: clarification.
More inputs would eliminate the need for me to use a mixer when I need 4+ wireless mics for corporate meetings. I dont need LCR because 95% of my meetings is speech and mono. I have tested setting up in an L/R configuration but the Bose honestly sound better when used as designed. I have even used 4 in a long room (2 front + 2 mid room) and did not have delay issues. The 180 pattern covers up the small area where delay is generally noticed.
Having used a TC Helicon Mic Mechanic for several years before buying my L1M2 + T1, I really do miss the foot control. I use a bit of delay/reverb on vocals, and I would seriously love a footswitch that could do an FX mute for speaking instead of singing.
This is a T1/L1 feature request:
Stereo, but out of the digital ethercon output. Go into an L1 base and a second ethercon/digital out goes to the input of the second L1. The one directly connected to the T1 is the left and the second one is the right. Only requires a second digital connection on the L1 base or a second one labelled on the T1.
Its seems a little insulting by Bose to keep asking for suggestions for over the last 8 years
on this mixer, with nothing being implemented. I know its not the case, but it almost gives the impression that they could be having a big laugh, saying:'look at these fools, begging for features, while we have no intention of adding anything!'

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