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Hello all,

I've been using the T1 now for almost 30 gigs.(no drop outs or other problems, other than user errors Wink)
I now have a whole new set of issues and differences from my old set up. The one that's bugging me the most is my piezo pick up in my Strat.
I now have a very percussive sound when finger picking that is driving me nuts!

Here's the signal path:
L.R. baggs X-bridge,into a boss compressor/sustainer(This device USED to rid me of this problem),into a boss eq pedal, into a boss super chourus, into the T1, trim level at about 10 o'clock, volume at about 1 o'clock.
I have plenty of volume but a very annoying thump every time a finger plucks a string. Bango roll picking sound as if I'm on the front lines in Iraq !!!
I've tried turning the pedals off, but I don't get the volume or tone I need. I tried the x-bridge setting, but frankly just sounds brittle. I'm using a flat utility setting.
Has anyone else had any similar experiences to this ?
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Originally posted by Strat man:
Hello all,

I've been using the T1 now for almost 30 gigs.(no drop outs or other problems, other than user errors Wink)
I now have a whole new set of issues and differences from my old set up. The one that's bugging me the most is my piezo pick up in my Strat.
I now have a very percussive sound when finger picking that is driving me nuts!

Here's the signal path:
L.R. baggs X-bridge,into a boss compressor/sustainer(This device USED to rid me of this problem),into a boss eq pedal, into a boss super chourus, into the T1, trim level at about 10 o'clock, volume at about 1 o'clock.
I have plenty of volume but a very annoying thump every time a finger plucks a string. Bango roll picking sound as if I'm on the front lines in Iraq !!!
I've tried turning the pedals off, but I don't get the volume or tone I need. I tried the x-bridge setting, but frankly just sounds brittle. I'm using a flat utility setting.
Has anyone else had any similar experiences to this ?


Strat Man,

Have you tried the LR Baggs preset bank? There's an X bridge preset in there...

Give that a shot for sure.

Mike
Hey MikeZ :
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I tried the x-bridge setting, but frankly just sounds brittle.


ST, it's not really a frequency, just purcussion. It's the sound you would get by hitting the bridge of an amplified accoustic guitar, but while picking. It would have to be a very low frequency. I really haven't played with the para-eq at all. To be honest, the only "playing" I've had time to do has been at gigs.(I pulled it out of the packaging while setting up for a packed Fri. night bar gig! Big Grin

I'll try the para-eq at the low end on Friday.
I have other questions , but I think I'll take 'em one at a time for now.

I am probably sending too hot of a signal/eq into the T1 from the pedels. I'll check the settings, maybe they got bumped.
Hi Strat man,

I just added one of David Enke's Quack Busters to my acoustic guitar. It has an passive under saddle pickup. It seems to be helping with the quack but it also became a little more "thumpy" percussive. There is a fair-to-decent chance I installed it incorrectly so I don't want to blame the Quack Buster for the thump.

I think I hear what you are talking about with our piezo bridge.

If you have a little time, take a spin through the acoustic guitar Presets. I've found some to be much more percussive than others. I don't have a specific recommendation because I'm still experimenting with this.

I think "thump is pretty low down" - If I find a frequency range for you to try, and I'll report back.
ST,

I ran through most of the presets for all instruments involved with our show. The ones I landed on just seem to be adequate to get through the show. Most of our gigs have been packed to very packed recently, so I don't play around too much with changes on stage, and this darned but necessary day job thing keeps me from having a lot of free time with my wonderful T1's.
I'll get there, just takes a little time. Wink
Thanks for your never-ending help !

Mike
Hey Mike,

I just ran the ParaEQ all over the lower ranges. I think "thump" might be below 50 Hz (the bottom of the ParaEQ range).

Maybe someone else can help with this.

Here is what I am hearing.
When I switch back and forth between the Taylor Dreadnaught Finger and Dreadnaught Strum, I hear a huge difference in what I am calling "thump". That is - much more thump with Dreadnaught Finger.

I also generally have less thump as I move to the smaller body styles like G. Concert and G. Auditorium.

Can anybody help identify the thump range?

I'm not unhappy with what I'm hearing, I'm just trying to put words to it.
Hi MikeZ,

quote:

From my experience thump on an acoustic occurs mostly at about 40-50Hz, and then again a higher 'thump' at 100Hz.


That explains it. I had the width set at .2 Octave, bottoming out at 50 Hz, and not hearing a lot of reduction in that low thump. When I opened up to .5 it made a huge difference.

Thank you for helping me to track this down.
Hi Mike,

Sorry - I could have been clearer about that.

Yes - big time thump reduction.
ParaEQ 50 Hz .5 Width

Set the Level where ever you want. Play with it.

Very little impact on anything else even with the level at -15.0 dB. I was testing for extremes. This seems to have tamed my runaway Drop-D problem. Just overall, things are tighter, and I don't have to work as hard at right hand muting.

zEQ is helpful here too, but I think it feels 'wider'.

Anyway - I am really curious to know if this helps with your Strat.
Mike (Strat man)

I spent some more time with this yesterday. I didn't realize it until you mentioned it but when I really get going on my acoustic there is a little thump with each right hand finger-stroke. It almost sounds like I'm lightly drumming my fingers on the bridge. It is subtle. But it is amazing what we can hear with our L1™s isn't it?

The zEQ nettings above clear it up nicely.
ST,

Yes, the para-eq helped a lot. My gigs this weekend were really crazy-fun-busy so there really wasn't any time to tweak much. Using the para-eq and rolling the lows down a little worked out, but I seemed to lose some volume. I didn't touch the level control from default.
Does that increase/decrease volume of the "effect" or is that make-up volume like a compressor?

Anyway, thank you and all at Bose for your help and wisdom.

Mike

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