T.C. Helicon VoiceLive versus Digitech Vocalist Live 4

I am on the verge of purchasing a vocal harmony processor. I have done a lot of research both online and with various music stores. I'm kinda on the fence as to whether the T.C. Helicon VoiceLive when used with their HarmonyControl/Guitar pedal or the Digitech Vocalist Live 4 would be the best choice. I read the comments and opinions that Rayman , Ted the Musician and others had posted but at that time I don't believe any one had been using the VoiceLive with the HarmonyControl/Guitar pedal which in theory would work very much like th e Digitech Vocalist Live 4. And if quality of the harmony voices compare favorably on these 2 units. And although the Helicon setup would be around $300 more, if the tracking and voice qualities were superior it would be worth it to me. I was wondering if anyone has played with and done enough tweaking with the Digitech Vovalist Live 4 to know whether the humanizing type functions are on par with the Helicon VoiceLive. It seems I've heard more than one person comment on the sense of realness that the Helicon produces. If anyone can help me with my quest it would be greatly appreciated.
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Well, I have not USED the Digitech unit, but I have heard it (I use the Helicon VoiceLive with the Harmony Control Guitar units). The Helicon sounds much more like real voices (at least to my ear). The Harmonty Control Guitar works very well, but its not perfect... It has trouble tracking songs in 'D' (at least w/my guitars)... but it certainly cuts the 'button dancing' down to a minimum... for most songs, once you pick your preset, you don't even need to touch either of the units. (On a lot of songs with straight-forward third of fifth-type harmonies, I leave the HC guitar 'off' because its not needed... the VL unit handles the harmony changes.)

I don't know about the Digitech units, but among other things, the Helicon VL lets you customize and save scales for non-standard harmonies... you can also edit and save your presets to your computer.

The down-side to the Helicon VL is that there are so many options that the learning curve is fairly steep... but you can sound good (w/o customizing) right out of the box. YMMV :-)

Dan
Hey dcon...I know it's not really what you asked but I was also considering the same units that you mentioned and ultimately went with the Telicon HarmonyG.

Couldn't be happier. I thought I may need the programming capabilities available in the others and maybe the additional harmonies. Nope. The 2 part harmonies are right on the money for my band situation.

I also thought I'd need the pitch correction but it hasn't been an issue at all.

Don't rule out the cheaper TC HarmonyG...it may work for you

JD
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Originally posted by JD1:
Hey dcon...I know it's not really what you asked but I was also considering the same units that you mentioned and ultimately went with the Telicon HarmonyG.

Couldn't be happier. I thought I may need the programming capabilities available in the others and maybe the additional harmonies. Nope. The 2 part harmonies are right on the money for my band situation.

I also thought I'd need the pitch correction but it hasn't been an issue at all.

Don't rule out the cheaper TC HarmonyG...it may work for you

JD
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Originally posted by JD1:
Hey dcon...I know it's not really what you asked but I was also considering the same units that you mentioned and ultimately went with the Telicon HarmonyG.

Couldn't be happier. I thought I may need the programming capabilities available in the others and maybe the additional harmonies. Nope. The 2 part harmonies are right on the money for my band situation.

I also thought I'd need the pitch correction but it hasn't been an issue at all.

Don't rule out the cheaper TC HarmonyG...it may work for you

I had entertained the thought of getting the TC HarmonyG but wasn't sure I would be satisfied with having less options and features. Perhaps I should go demo one at my local music store. Thanks for the suggestion
JD
I HIGHLY recommend TC Helicon Voicetone Harmony M and Harmony G..... they are inexpensive and sound STELLAR..... voicetone M follows midi chords. voicetone G follows guitar chords. I own BOTH.

THEY ARE DEAD SIMPLE TO OPERATE. I initially bought the Digitech voice live PRO.. it was too complex to figure out. TC Helicon voicetone's are highly recommended by me/
I don't know if I should post this here or not Maybe it shoul be a private message to Mysticradio because I think he's the only one mentioning that he has this but I have been looking at the VoiceTone Harmony-M. I'm not sure how I would use it thought because I am part of a duo. Here is my situation:

I use sequences on my Motif ES and leave out an instrument to play along with them, usualy piano or electric paino. I alo sing.

My wife has a PSR-2000 (I think). She doesn't play it that much... just a few little solos here and there and she sings as well.

We pride our selves on our two part harmony but I was looking at the Harmony-M for addition harmony as well as Ooos and Ahhs. We both woudn't need to use the harmony at the same time but I would like us to both have the benefits of the effects and vocal processing of the Harmony-M. Would I need two units to accomplish this. But then if I get two units, If there would be a song where my wife would be doing the harmonies, it wouldn't work because she would have the midi information from the Motif ES coming into her Harmony-M.

My apologies for this being kind of off topic but I learn so much from you all and you are my only source. Oh I also have an L1 Model 1 and a T1. in addition to the keyboards we use two SM58 Shure Mics.
Hi Tony
Im part of a two person group and we use 2 TC.helicon voice works units. I play guitar and he plays bass. We use midi tracks thru a laptop and a roland XV-5050 for our backing tracks. The 2 tc. Helicon units works great. We send midi info to each unit via midi and all we do is sing. we program evrything into the laptop and it sounds great.

Todd
How then would I get the midi signal from my keyboard (the Motif ES) to both Harmony-M units. I saw a two output / 1 input Midi thru box on musicians Friend product number #702507, should I use that. I also saw a Midi Router that was much more expensive. Also, does the Harmony-M capable of running on battery. It's a bit of an inconvenience to have to plug a pedal in to AC power. Thanks and agin my apologies for being so off topic.
Hi Tony
What we do with the 2 TC Helicon Voice Works is from the midi out of the sound module to the in of one and then use the out of that unit to the in of the other. We transmit info from the laptop to them. One on midi channel 16 and the other on channel 14. So each one is controled seperatly.

Todd
I have owned a vocalist live 2 for about a year. I gig with it every friday night and have found the following.

1. The harmonies track very well, especially when playing easy chord tunes like eagles, etc. harmonies are easy to set, very predictable.

2. Reverb, Effects and Compressor are very lacking. There is a noticable gating effect in the compressor when engaged. Hard on/off gate effect when you get quiet. The selectable effects like shine....are not that impressive.

I watched the demo of the TC Helicon Harmony G and was impressed by the auto vocal process and effects. I am convinced this will improve my vocal sound. There is an a/b switch which allows you to switch back and forth between two settings in a song. Nice.

I ordered a TC unit today and will be giving it a go in place of the digitech. Looking for the best sound possible.

I'll post how this works out. We'll see if the grass is greener.

The reverb and effect from TC are always top notch and can apply to guitar as well.
So I received the TC unit Thursday...had 15 minutes to play with it to get familiar with the controls. So I used it last night at my regular friday gig. First thoughts are: It's very compact and fits nicely on my small pedal board, strobostomp, H20 and harmony g. The guitar input/thru out connections are very close together. Planet waves cables with larger ends are tight. The single button for "tone" is great. Makes things a lot more intelligble. (I play through the L1 classic) I play a upscale martini bar with plenty of hard surfaces and it gets noisy. Mgr. commented that I sounded "good tnight". I did notice that the tracking was different on the TC, some things that are dead on with digitech were not as good...and the TC did some progressions better too. I do need to get used to the button on/off location. digitech has a nice big corner thats easy to hit....i missed a few times on the TC. I'll spend some practice time with it and fine tune things. The big plus is the "tone" processor. It sounds great.
Hey Kurt....I also have problems with the on/off buttons on my TC as well as GNX3000.

Being the singer, I often have to maintain close mic proximity and end up feeling around with my foot to engage the switches. A medical problem with double-peripheral vision is also a factor in my switching.

I fastened a small metal angle in between 2 of the switches to prevent me from accidently hitting the wrong one when I'm feeling around with my feet.

On the GNX, if I hit 2 buttons at once it kicks it into "off" mode so it's critical for me to use the metal angle. (1" x 1" x 1/2")

JD
I've have a few gigs under my belt with the TC Harmony G and here are my impressions:

I like the compact design...it fits better on my pedal board. I don't have a tonematch mixer...and the TC Tone button and effects are great. HUGE improvement over the digitech.

The one minor thing that i miss on the digitech is the larger footswitch. You get used to it, but the TC takes a little more effort to turn on/off.

Harmony tracking is a draw...they are both good, but different.

The added Bass harmony mode on the TC is very cool. (it tracks the note the unit tracks for creating harmony) That is not on the digitech unit.

Overall, I am happy with my switch to the TC unit. Hope this helps prospective buyers....they are both very good units. It depends on preference and what you have in your rig. Kurt
I just got a harmony-M from TC which is very similar to harmony-G. Love the sound of it but for me it's a bit of a learning curve. I'm not used to playing with anything more than a sustain pedal. I too have trouble with the small on/off switch and was contemplating doing gives barefooted so I'd have a better feel for it. I don't know I think for me it's just a matter of really working with the thing and getting used to using such a unit. I know that TC has a different foot switch as an accessory. I don't know if that's any better. And I also noticed that you can you any one position foot switch that will just toggle the on and off switch. may be an option for me.
I too am deciding between these 2 units. But I think im in a different boat then the majority of you. First off I do pop music and the units would be used in the studio not live.

I currently use Antares autotune plug in which works great. Im looking for something just like that (or better) except hardware. Whats confusing me is the majority of you seem to be making the unit find it's tune by playing a long. I need to be able to program the scale and just leave it as the singer sings away. Is that possible with these units?

Thoughts?
Hi Auditory
I do a one man band and I use the rack mount T.C. helicon VoiceWorks model. I use a Roland XV5050 for my midi tracks and use one midi channel to sent the info to the VoiceWorks to control it with the correct harmony and key and effects if you like. It has worked very well for me in my setup.Dont know if this helps any just a different way to do it.

Just my 2 cents Todd
I believe the Voicelive allows you to choose between automatic pitch detection and choosie a specific key.

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Originally posted by Auditory:
I too am deciding between these 2 units. But I think im in a different boat then the majority of you. First off I do pop music and the units would be used in the studio not live.

I currently use Antares autotune plug in which works great. Im looking for something just like that (or better) except hardware. Whats confusing me is the majority of you seem to be making the unit find it's tune by playing a long. I need to be able to program the scale and just leave it as the singer sings away. Is that possible with these units?

Thoughts?
While were on topic, i see Amazon has a TC Harmony G for $119.00 and Musicians Friend has a TC Voice Tone Harmony G-XT for $249.00

Anyone know the difference? The knobs look the same, not sure if one is updated & was wondering if that price jump is warranted in any way?

http://www.amazon.com/TC-Helic...arists/dp/B001I4QWYU

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VTHarmonyGXT/

Thanks-
I like the VoiceLive2 because it can sense guitar chords, MIDI or keyboard entry and MP3 tracks through the aux input. Since I do all three, it makes sense for me in that regard. If I were just playing guitar, I might have gone with a cheaper option.

interesting note: my friend borrowed my VoiceLive2 for his gig. He's playing guitar and I get up to sing along in harmony with him on the VoiceLive2 connected mic. We're doing Dear Prudence and it seemed like the VL2 was grabbing harmonies from the two harmonies we were singing! Everybody commented on how great it sounded on those big harmonies. It was really cool, I must admit.

One really great advantage of the VL2 is the STEP feature. Each Preset can have as many as 10 Steps. A Step is a complete scene of harmony type, reverb type, doubling, delay, etc. Like say, for instance, you're doing Peaceful Easy Feeling. You need a single harmony following a third above for the second verse. Then, you need one above, one below for the second chorus. Then, maybe two above and one below for the final chorus. you can program all of these different settings into Steps and have them all available under the "Peaceful" Preset. And there are 200 Presets available. That's like three completely different 4-hour gigs you can carry in with this pedal.

It really is a very powerful machine. I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of its capabilities. Not cheap, I know, but actually worth it, IMHO.

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