Discussions about the Bose S1 Pro system

Bose S1 Pro

Designed for musicians, DJs and general PA use, the S1 Pro is the ultimate all-in-one PA, floor monitor and practice amplifier that's ready to be your go-anywhere Bluetooth music system for nearly any occasion. 

This is the place to discuss the S1 Pro system.

Don't know if ccc will come back to answer ST's question of not, but it's interesting to note that ccc and Moon Dog have opposite views of Bose systems outdoors.

I think we all know by now that the array design is intended to create a wide, even dispersion so that all the audience is bathed in the same sound. The longer the array the wider the dispersion. 

Some Bose Home Stereo speakers have been designed with reflective properties in mind. With suggested placement to produce a natural sound throughout a confined space.

Bose live sound speakers are different from home stereo. I doubt that any speaker is designed without some consideration of reflected sound. The L1 series, in particular, was designed in such a way as to reduce unwanted reflections from the ceiling, providing a narrow vertical and wide horizontal pattern projecting a clear sound deeper into the audience. If I understand correctly, the articulation of the array was a means of providing a more even horizontal dispersion of the directional higher frequencies. I think that articulated design was first done by Chris @Bose in the 502A. That the array design reduces reflected sound from reentering the main dispersion pattern makes it more predictable in free field or open space, outdoor settings. I think that quality is recognized by Moon Dog.

O..

 

Oldghm posted:

Well we've come full circle. Depending on how you have set replies per page, the idea of utilizing the B1 design in conjunction with the S1 Pro geometry was talked about on the first or second page of this thread.

I think there are several reasons we don't see the same low end in the S1 Pro that we see in a B1. A couple, and not necessarily in the order of importance are weight, and performance of the speaker / cabinet design from sub frequencies up to the desired crossover frequency. 

I'm not suggesting it can't be done but I suspect if it was done in a single cabinet it would be a three way cabinet, like a miniature version of a dual 15" with horn. There would be the array, a mid range producing 100 / 200 up to 600 Hz and the sub speaker from 100 / 200 Hz down.

Even the F1 812 with its 12" speaker and the same crossover point as the S1 only goes down to 52 Hz @ -3 dB (43Hz @ -10dB) 

The B1 reproduces 40Hz @ -3dB, and if we can trust the technical data sheet down to 32 Hz @ -10dB. .................. but the design is only good up to about 300Hz.

The weight issue. Any meaningful volume of 40 Hz musical content will shake and bump a lightweight speaker. There is a reason the B1 weighs nearly 30 lbs, roughly twice that of the S1.

What we end up with when we get down to that magical 40Hz is a speaker / system that no longer fits the true compact size and weight of the S1 Pro.

O..

One thing to clarify in this thread is are we talking about a Bass cabinet or a true Sub. Personally I think 200 - 600 hz would be an area we need some help. I think we are assuming this will be a stand alone cab. As far as weight and size, Bose appears to be one of, if not the market lead for miniaturizing amazing sound. Evidence -> Sound Link, SoundTouch 10, S1 Pro.... that being said, we are hoping that Bose can break some more barriers around this Battery Powered, S1B ProBass Cab. 

I would say if you look at automotive sound there are some pretty thumping bass speakers in small light form factors. I actually bought a bass speaker for a car to attempt to do this very thing....no progress thus far. 

 

Great thread.

Dear Admin.  I was kidding...

I'm happy enough with the performance of my Bose S1 Pros...

To answer another question, no, you cannot run the JBL EON ONE without its speaker unit...just to use the subwoofer.  And it's sort of big (bigger than a Compact) and weighs 44 pounds. 

But the sound...ah, the sound...like the JBL studio monitor speakers we used in recording studios in the 70s -- but better.

What I meant was a built in filter passing the lows to the 2 drivers in the S1b with another output (high pass) that could go to another system. 

The same setup as the Behringer 1200D subs I bought.  They work well to add the kick but have to be plugged in and I have to borrow the kid's Jeep since they won't fit in my Miata.

Chet posted:

Dear Admin.  I was kidding...

I'm happy enough with the performance of my Bose S1 Pros...

To answer another question, no, you cannot run the JBL EON ONE without its speaker unit...just to use the subwoofer.  And it's sort of big (bigger than a Compact) and weighs 44 pounds. 

But the sound...ah, the sound...like the JBL studio monitor speakers we used in recording studios in the 70s -- but better.

I'll differ with you on the sound of the JBL.  I just shipped mine (the original Eon One) to my place in Florida in case I want to gig down there sometime.  I used it for years since it was easier to transport than my L1M2 and I didn't need the attributes of the L1M2.  It never sounded that good to me.  I also tried using my T1 into it (and other mixers) and it just wasn't nearly as good as my Bose sound.  The sound of the Eon One Pro was very weak, not just volume wise, compared to the original Eon One.  Even at $499 for a refurb, I returned it.

Sound is subjective. So are one's PA needs.

I've played nearly a hundred gigs over the last few years as a single (guitar/voice) with my EON ONE (NOT the battery powered Pro) and another dozen with my band (3 voices, 2 acoustic guitars, bass and congas miked) using 2 of them. 

We also gig with a Bose L1S most weekends.

I like what the EON does for MY VOICE better than the Bose.  I find the band sound is also cleaner with the 2 EONS than with the one L1S. 

I found the L1M2 w/2B1s "too crispy" and it made me nervous when it would occasionally just quit for 5-10 seconds for no good reason and can't be fixed by anyone within 2800 miles of me.  So after getting the S1s and having my 2nd heart attack I sold it.

My band has used an L1M2 with B2 and an F1 for a local bar gig and it was TOO **** LOUD!  The next time, we used my EON with 2 S1s with 2 subs and it was in the Goldilocks zone -- just right and feedback was MUCH easier to control.

And as I've said, I LOVE the sound of my 2 S1 Pros with one or two of my Behringer subs best and if one of the S1s dies, they're much cheaper than an L1.

YMMV.

Hi DavidE2,

DavidE2 posted:

I think my question was lost in this latest barrage of posts.   Can I use the Compact without the high pack as a subwoofer with my S1s?

Thanks

You can and you won't harm the L1 Compact.

I wouldn't because if I brought both an S1 Pro and and L1 Compact to a gig I would use them as designed.

  • If I need more sound than the S1 Pro could provide alone, I use the L1 Compact. 
  • If I need the inputs and reverb on the S1 Pro and more sound, then I'd
    • Connect my sound sources to the S1 Pro
    • Use the S1 Pro as a monitor
    • Connect the line out from the S1 Pro to the L1 Compact channel 2 (with ToneMatch switch set to Line-Level)
    • Use the L1 Compact with both extensions as the front of house speaker, placed between me and the audience.   

If I didn't want to use L1 Compact as the front of house system, I'd still leave the mid-high speakers installed in the power stand. 

ST

ST posted:

Hi DavidE2,

DavidE2 posted:

I think my question was lost in this latest barrage of posts.   Can I use the Compact without the high pack as a subwoofer with my S1s?

Thanks

You can and you won't harm the L1 Compact.

I wouldn't because if I brought both an S1 Pro and and L1 Compact to a gig I would use them as designed.

  • If I need more sound than the S1 Pro could provide alone, I use the L1 Compact. 
  • If I need the inputs and reverb on the S1 Pro and more sound, then I'd
    • Connect my sound sources to the S1 Pro
    • Use the S1 Pro as a monitor
    • Connect the line out from the S1 Pro to the L1 Compact channel 2 (with ToneMatch switch set to Line-Level)
    • Use the L1 Compact with both extensions as the front of house speaker, placed between me and the audience.   

If I didn't want to use L1 Compact as the front of house system, I'd still leave the mid-high speakers installed in the power stand. 

ST

I always use my T1 for my duo gigs because I need the inputs and I like the rest of the effects.  I have a fairly regular gig that the compact and one S1 might be a good solution.  The people don't go far in front of us or to the right (we're essentially on a balcony), but they go far left.  Compact forward and S1 to the left might work.

Moon Dog posted:

One thing to clarify in this thread is are we talking about a Bass cabinet or a true Sub. Personally I think 200 - 600 hz would be an area we need some help. I think we are assuming this will be a stand alone cab. As far as weight and size, Bose appears to be one of, if not the market lead for miniaturizing amazing sound. Evidence -> Sound Link, SoundTouch 10, S1 Pro.... that being said, we are hoping that Bose can break some more barriers around this Battery Powered, S1B ProBass Cab. 

I would say if you look at automotive sound there are some pretty thumping bass speakers in small light form factors. I actually bought a bass speaker for a car to attempt to do this very thing....no progress thus far. 

 

Great thread.

Well, if we're talking about B1 technology we're talking 40 to 200 Hz. 

I think most of those using a sub or bass cabinet with the S1 Pro are trying to reinforce 40 to 150 Hz.

Many, if not most, of the small Bose powered speakers designed to play recorded music, use Bose Waveguide technology to produce those low tones. I believe the same technology is used in Bose premium systems found in the auto industry. Remember, those Bose auto stereo speakers are in molded chambers specifically designed to fit the cavity they are in, isolated to prohibit unwanted vibration, and stabilized by more than a ton of steel. I am not aware of speakers designed for live sound that utilize the same Waveguide technology. 

My belief is that the DSP necessary for the Waveguide tech is not compatible with live music. If it was we would have already seen it.

O..

Bose is understandably quiet when it comes to upcoming/new product announcements such as this so I doubt we will hear anything from them at this point. 

However, there were a lot of great ideas put forth that I’m sure Bose R&D are listening to that might feed plans they may have in this S1/sub area. The amount of responses clearly indicates a need. 

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