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Bose S1 Pro

Designed for musicians, DJs and general PA use, the S1 Pro is the ultimate all-in-one PA, floor monitor and practice amplifier that's ready to be your go-anywhere Bluetooth music system for nearly any occasion. 

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DavidE2 posted:
Moon Dog posted:

Yep using the woofer in the compact is an interesting idea to try....but its not battery powered...Thats what Bose needs to jump on....a Battery powered sub. Just include  low pass filter circuit and boom you got this. 

 

I get that,  but I don't mind.   In fact,  there are times I'll plug in an S1 to eliminate ground hum.

hmmm.  Interesting.  I'd think if you have ground hum problems, it would be because you have the system plugged in -- not when you're using the battery.  Am I misunderstanding something?

Archtop Eddy posted:
DavidE2 posted:
Moon Dog posted:

Yep using the woofer in the compact is an interesting idea to try....but its not battery powered...Thats what Bose needs to jump on....a Battery powered sub. Just include  low pass filter circuit and boom you got this. 

 

I get that,  but I don't mind.   In fact,  there are times I'll plug in an S1 to eliminate ground hum.

hmmm.  Interesting.  I'd think if you have ground hum problems, it would be because you have the system plugged in -- not when you're using the battery.  Am I misunderstanding something?

 You would be incorrect.   My pedalboard and my T1 are plugged in and not grounded.  I believe that's the culprit. 

DavidE2 posted:
Archtop Eddy posted:
DavidE2 posted:
Moon Dog posted:

Yep using the woofer in the compact is an interesting idea to try....but its not battery powered...Thats what Bose needs to jump on....a Battery powered sub. Just include  low pass filter circuit and boom you got this. 

 

I get that,  but I don't mind.   In fact,  there are times I'll plug in an S1 to eliminate ground hum.

hmmm.  Interesting.  I'd think if you have ground hum problems, it would be because you have the system plugged in -- not when you're using the battery.  Am I misunderstanding something?

 You would be incorrect.   My pedalboard and my T1 are plugged in and not grounded.  I believe that's the culprit. 

Okay.  That makes sense.  I use batteries for everything (S1 Pro and my pedals. I don't use my T1 with the S1 Pro), so maybe that's why I never hear a hum.  Thanks for the quick response.

 

 

Just a little FYI -- I suspect that a battery that could power a subwoofer pumping out sufficient low end to match the SPL you get and the 6 hours of battery life I've gotten out of my S1 Pros would cost a bunch!

It's not "designing the sub", it's powering it.

Chet posted:

Just a little FYI -- I suspect that a battery that could power a subwoofer pumping out sufficient low end to match the SPL you get and the 6 hours of battery life I've gotten out of my S1 Pros would cost a bunch!

It's not "designing the sub", it's powering it.

Good points Chet.  Let me suggest that maybe the subwoofer doesn't need to last for six hours. Maybe four hours would be enough, and if more time is needed than -- yes, you would need to plug it in.  I've used my S1Pros for hundreds of the gigs and never needed to run them for more than four hours.  Six hours is great, but for practical purposes it may be more time than necessary.  And meanwhile, a battery-powered subwoofer with four hours of use is far more than we have now. (This doesn't, of course, dismiss the challenges that might be faced trying to come up with a four hour subwoofer...)

Including using them for music between sets, I've done a number of nearly 6 hour gigs with my S1 pros.  :-)

I just came off of a 6+ hour gig yesterday (2:30pm to 9:15pm plugged in just in case - Played 2:45 to 9pm) and played 5 more hours today...

Chet posted:

Just a little FYI -- I suspect that a battery that could power a subwoofer pumping out sufficient low end to match the SPL you get and the 6 hours of battery life I've gotten out of my S1 Pros would cost a bunch!

It's not "designing the sub", it's powering it.

Well it sounds like you may be the exception to the rule Chet. Most of us Soloists do 3 sets. I do know some that do multiple shows in a day but for the majority 4 hours would likely be  a good design goal at full pumping power for the sub. For the gig warriors like yourself a spare battery would be an elegant solution...Bose you know this is a game changer, bring the battery powered sub!!!

  

I'm kind of amazed at my stamina these days.  I live on a farm on the side of a volcano so I get lots of exercise.  I try to eat right.  I play the minimum of notes needed on VERY well set up guitars and basses, I practice at least 2 hours almost every day so even at my advanced age (75) 5 hours of actual playing in a 6 hour period or 4 hours of playing in 5 hours is do-able.

Life be good!

You are an amazing example to us all sir. Thank you for giving me hope of playing another 15 years. I have done two shows in a day and four in three days but your schedule is crazy long. I hope you are making a lot of money. One of my buddies never takes a break he just plays from the start time to the finish time...I started doing that and its kind of fun like playing in a concert. One time though my left hand started to cramp up so I monitor myself as I go along and sometimes take breaks now. Do you sing and play in your show? I also practice at least 2 to 3 hours a night if not gigging...I have to keep my voice in shape. 

Cheers from Moon Dog. 

Here is a pic just about to start playing on the Hornblower in San Diego CA. 

Thats my wife/manager Dede, she is awesome. Moon Dog and Dede in SD

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Aloha, Moondog.  Livin' the life, eh?  Beautiful.  And Beautiful lady.

I have to admit that this week is sort of unusual.  My normal gigging schedule is 5 - 7 day gigs per month -- usually with early morning start -- that are a more "normal" 2 1/2 to 4 hours total.  This week had 4 gigs total with one more one hour gig coming up tomorrow.  I also get plenty of sleep and rarely play late night gigs (late night for me being anytime after 7pm...he-he)...almost no more bar gigs although I'll be playing (in a country band!) from 6:30-9:30 at a very nice restaurant in town that serves inca-hall on the 25th.

I sing and play electric and acoustic guitars or bass.  I'm also involved in 4 recording projects -- one that's wrapping up and a CD should be coming out soon with a new friend from Pasadena.  He sends me the basic tracks and I add the rest and mix and master it.

Keep busy doing stuff that makes ya' happy and live longer...

I'd love to see a battery powered sub! I wonder if it would be possible to design the sub in such a way that it uses the same batteries as the S1, perhaps put 2 of them in the bass cabinet.  Additionally, allow the T4 S to connect to the Bass unit via the Ethercon Cable and be powered by the batteries in the bass unit.   The S1 Pros would take output from the bass unit.  How cool would that be? Totally battery powered, extremely compact and very easy set-up!  If a performer needed longer battery life, just carry spare batteries which could be used on any of the units.

Hi Moon Dog,

Cheers from Moon Dog. 

Here is a pic just about to start playing on the Hornblower in San Diego CA. 

Thats my wife/manager Dede, she is awesome. Moon Dog and Dede in SD

It's nice to get to know you better!

ST

For those interested in a sub with the S1 Pro ... have you'll looked at the JBL Eon One Pro?? I already have several 15" cabs & separate subs 12" & 15" & hence opted only for the S1 Pro having auditioned it at length in a showroom & being fully aware of it's low end limitation (being a DJ). So I picked up the S1 Pro primarily for my house Karaoke Parties or simply as a small monitor on stage for either DJ or Karaoke singing.

Just wanted all your thoughts on this ...
Also, The JBL Eon One Pro is I believe close to 1.5 years old now ... perhaps a newer updated model would be in the offing.

P.S. Don't wanna upset Bose Fans ... We're just exchanging views here

Prakash Wadhwani posted:

For those interested in a sub with the S1 Pro ... have you'll looked at the JBL Eon One Pro??

Hi Prakash.  Thanks for the suggestion.  The primary issue here is about a batter-powered sub.   Does the JBL Eon One Pro have a battery-powered subwoofer?  Thanks!

Archtop Eddy posted:
Prakash Wadhwani posted:

For those interested in a sub with the S1 Pro ... have you'll looked at the JBL Eon One Pro??

Hi Prakash.  Thanks for the suggestion.  The primary issue here is about a batter-powered sub.   Does the JBL Eon One Pro have a battery-powered subwoofer?  Thanks!

Very much has a sub ... Check the attached link ... the reviewer has L1, 3 S1 Pro's + a JBL Eon One Pro ... I watched his reviews before picking up my Sa Pro. Helped a lot.

Let me know your views folks. Would appreciate different perspectives * insights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCbw3c-F_SA

I bought a JBL Eon One Pro when Sweetwater was blowing out refurbs for under $500.  The input section is SO weak on it that I returned it.  JBL said they had a handful of complaints about the issue and would have a "fix" some time in the undetermined future.  I could plug a mic into it and max it out and it had little volume.  The bass is also very weak compared to the original Eon One, which had its own issues that JBL never fixed.

BUT, if you can run the EON Pro without the top speakers, it may work ok with the S1s.  I wouldn't expect a ton of thump though.

 

By now even the die hardest S1 bose fanatics should be admitting to the limitations of bass in the S1s. how you solve this situation depends on your pocket book. As far as battery powered subs, you have to move some mass which will take a lot more battery power and the weight will have to be factored in. So battery powered subs will place high demand on the length of the battery before charging and most likely at least for now have to be a sizable battery.

Prakash Wadhwani posted:

For those interested in a sub with the S1 Pro ... have you'll looked at the JBL Eon One Pro?? I already have several 15" cabs & separate subs 12" & 15" & hence opted only for the S1 Pro having auditioned it at length in a showroom & being fully aware of it's low end limitation (being a DJ). So I picked up the S1 Pro primarily for my house Karaoke Parties or simply as a small monitor on stage for either DJ or Karaoke singing.

Just wanted all your thoughts on this ...
Also, The JBL Eon One Pro is I believe close to 1.5 years old now ... perhaps a newer updated model would be in the offing.

P.S. Don't wanna upset Bose Fans ... We're just exchanging views here

Hey Prakash....I did check out that JBL. Its a monster.. 31 x 22 x 17. Thats not going to fit in a normal suitcase. Its also not just a sub it has the mixer integrated and built to hold the extensions for the upper speakers. That is not what most of us are looking for. It would likely work but form factor and price is not what I would be looking for. But you did find a battery powered sub with an 8 Inch speaker. I heard a guy playing through one of those at the Catamaran resort in Mission Beach CA....was not impressed with the sound at all. This was outside on the beach....the true test of any sound system...they only system I have ever heard that sounds amazing outdoors has a Bose logo on it every time. Cheers.

I really disagree with the out of doors being a true test, it is the hardest situation to judge the sound. So many factors, wind, humidity,  mixing, .....getting a good sound out of doors is often difficult but by no means is a test of sound quality. 

I looked up the JBL Eon One Pro and it appears to basically compete with the Bose L1 Compact. It has a larger sub than the Compact, built-in 5/6 channel mixer, and can be battery powered. Hard to tell how to compare the two in terms of sound quality.

From a basic features perspective, it looks cool. However, in the reviews I’ve read, there was a disturbing amount of quality issues with it. Now maybe they’ve come out with a new and improved version or maybe there was just bad run of them.

Having said that, JBL has an alleged 6 hour battery powered L1 Compact clone with a big sub. So It shows that it’s possible. The sub is around 36 lbs though.

Rather than one overall unit, I kinda like the idea of a more component based approach where I could just use the S1 by itself, but then add/plug-in a beefier sub when I needed more bottom end. Perhaps have the option to have 2 S1s share a single sub. Typically I can get by with just one S1 and a separate mixer without a sub.

Having both sub and S1 use the same battery (be it one or 2 batteries for the sub) makes a lot of sense too.

What would also be a “nice is to have” is add another basic mixer built-in to the additional sub so I could better accommodate my acoustic duo where I need 2 mic inputs and 2 instrument inputs precluding the need for a separate mixer. Perhaps leave out the Bluetooth since you’d typically pair it with a S1 and have instead EQ controls tailored to the bass spectrum. 

Now how about a name for this sub, S1B? 😁

ccc posted:

I really disagree with the out of doors being a true test, it is the hardest situation to judge the sound. So many factors, wind, humidity,  mixing, .....getting a good sound out of doors is often difficult but by no means is a test of sound quality. 

Everyone has there opinions. You are correct about the number of variables, but you left out the most important one....acoustics. Outdoors no walls no ceilings no floors hard soft or indifferent. Bose creates its own acoustic environment...This is the genius of Dr. Bose. I have been playing live for almost 50 years now and my experience with almost every PA made brings me to my conclusion. My purchases of Bose equipment is the evidence in my belief and my audience and venue managers are my true sound board for feedback on the sound quality. Cheers....

CityFolk posted:

I looked up the JBL Eon One Pro and it appears to basically compete with the Bose L1 Compact. It has a larger sub than the Compact, built-in 5/6 channel mixer, and can be battery powered. Hard to tell how to compare the two in terms of sound quality.

From a basic features perspective, it looks cool. However, in the reviews I’ve read, there was a disturbing amount of quality issues with it. Now maybe they’ve come out with a new and improved version or maybe there was just bad run of them.

Having said that, JBL has an alleged 6 hour battery powered L1 Compact clone with a big sub. So It shows that it’s possible. The sub is around 36 lbs though.

Rather than one overall unit, I kinda like the idea of a more component based approach where I could just use the S1 by itself, but then add/plug-in a beefier sub when I needed more bottom end. Perhaps have the option to have 2 S1s share a single sub. Typically I can get by with just one S1 and a separate mixer without a sub.

Having both sub and S1 use the same battery (be it one or 2 batteries for the sub) makes a lot of sense too.

What would also be a “nice is to have” is add another basic mixer built-in to the additional sub so I could better accommodate my acoustic duo where I need 2 mic inputs and 2 instrument inputs precluding the need for a separate mixer. Perhaps leave out the Bluetooth since you’d typically pair it with a S1 and have instead EQ controls tailored to the bass spectrum. 

Now how about a name for this sub, S1B? 😁

You keep up those kind of great ideas and Bose may offer you a job in R & D

 

KingBiscuit posted:

I'd love to see a battery powered sub! I wonder if it would be possible to design the sub in such a way that it uses the same batteries as the S1, perhaps put 2 of them in the bass cabinet.  Additionally, allow the T4 S to connect to the Bass unit via the Ethercon Cable and be powered by the batteries in the bass unit.   The S1 Pros would take output from the bass unit.  How cool would that be? Totally battery powered, extremely compact and very easy set-up!  If a performer needed longer battery life, just carry spare batteries which could be used on any of the units.

That would be a dream come true.

Guys, I think we're close!

What if Bose put long throw driver(s) (like 2 - 5.25" units - the same as used in a B1?) with built in high pass filter, a thumping class D amp (use the one from the Backlight bass power unit?) and the SAME battery into the SAME case as an S1 Pro!?

Then for a bit more bottom end one could run a cable (TRS - XLR/TRS) from the line output of the S1 Pro to the new sub, the Bose S1B ProSub.

Use "off the shelf" parts, keep the price point around $500 and ya' just might have a winner!

FYI: The JBL EON ONE PRO -- only has an 8" driver in its sub.

Last weekend, I used my JBL EON ONE (10" THUMPING SUB) behind the band in a "garage" with my 2 S1 Pros on stands just outside the doors to cover the rest of the 1/4 acre party -- about 200 people eating, talking, dancing, having a quick wedding, etc. 

All plugged in of course since the gig lasted over 6 hours.  Better to plug in the S1s at the beginning rather than "take a chance".

Chet posted:

FYI: The JBL EON ONE PRO -- only has an 8" driver in its sub.

Last weekend, I used my JBL EON ONE (10" THUMPING SUB) behind the band in a "garage" with my 2 S1 Pros on stands just outside the doors to cover the rest of the 1/4 acre party -- about 200 people eating, talking, dancing, having a quick wedding, etc. 

All plugged in of course since the gig lasted over 6 hours.  Better to plug in the S1s at the beginning rather than "take a chance".

 

Can you use the EON One without the high end speakers?

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 Most Bose units are designed for walls when outside there are no walls perhaps a delay naturally and reverb off the buildings if present. No one can judge quality by listening to a speaker designed to use walls or for that matter no one can judge the quality of a straight aligned speaker system by ear bending.  What you can judge is the skill of the individual to max out sound in an open format that is pleasant to the ear. This has less to do with the quality of the equipment. Hopefully you start out with decent equipment because good equipment makes it so much easier for the skill of the technician to swing the sound into a pleasant arena. 

Chet posted:

Guys, I think we're close!

What if Bose put long throw driver(s) (like 2 - 5.25" units - the same as used in a B1?) with built in high pass filter, a thumping class D amp (use the one from the Backlight bass power unit?) and the SAME battery into the SAME case as an S1 Pro!?

Then for a bit more bottom end one could run a cable (TRS - XLR/TRS) from the line output of the S1 Pro to the new sub, the Bose S1B ProSub.

Use "off the shelf" parts, keep the price point around $500 and ya' just might have a winner!

WOW you are hitting on all cylinders today. I own 2 - B1s and 2 - B2s....Yes I could put on a concert...but to be honest, the B2s are overkill at almost every venue I play so I almost exclusively use a pair of B1s now. But I could see with the S1 a single, S1B Subpro with 2 - 5.25 inch speakers would be perfect. Too much sub would over power the S1. We just want to fill out the lower end of the frequency spectrum. Your idea to use the packlight power amp is really smart...design reuse means higher profits for Bose. Same battery as S1, really really smart and I think you meant to say Low Pass Filter. (A low-pass filter (LPF) is a filter that passes signals with a frequency lower than a selected cutoff frequency and attenuates signals with frequencies higher than the cutoff frequency.) The number of venues I could use this smaller system in would go way up with a battery powered sub. And one final reminder to Bose if you are reading these....I need my sub to fit in a suitcase so I can fly with this...2 checked bags S1 Pro in one suitcase, the  S1B SubPro in the other....another first for the industry, world class sound you can fly with. You can take that one to the bank too.

Hi ccc,

ccc posted:

 Most Bose units are designed for walls when outside there are no walls perhaps a delay naturally and reverb off the buildings if present.

snip 

Do you have a reference for the statement above? I haven't read anything like that in documents about Bose Portable PA products published by Bose. However, here's an article about

Bass Outdoors

ST

Hey ST, 

This statement is made from my personal experience. I have probably played thousands of gigs with front loaded classic type speakers and floor monitors. They sound pretty good indoors but outdoors, I personally think they sound terrible and a lot of musicians I have played with all thought the same thing. The sound just goes and it never feels full or satisfying...

I had a monster Mackie system, took two people to move it. It was loud and unreal low end (too much actually) and could get really loud (Directionally) I sold that to my first L1 Type II system...

When I played through that it literally made me cry (and trust me it takes a lot to make me cry) this was indoors. Then I did an outdoor show with it and it still just sounded unbelievable. The only words I can think of to describe the experience is that it seems to create its own acoustic environment. That is how I explain what I hear with my Bose system. 

I had the same experience on a smaller scale with the S1. I took it out when I got it and set it up next to my pool and played a set for my wife who was swimming in the pool. We both agreed it sounded amazing. For as light as it is and as few small speakers as it has, the S1 Pro is a sonic miracle.....in my humble opinion. 

 

Hi Moon Dog,

I agree with you. The Bose Portable PA products can deliver great results - indoors and outside.

Moon Dog posted:

Hey ST, 

This statement is made from my personal experience. I have probably played thousands of gigs with front loaded classic type speakers and floor monitors. They sound pretty good indoors but outdoors, I personally think they sound terrible and a lot of musicians I have played with all thought the same thing. The sound just goes and it never feels full or satisfying...

I had a monster Mackie system, took two people to move it. It was loud and unreal low end (too much actually) and could get really loud (Directionally) I sold that to my first L1 Type II system...

When I played through that it literally made me cry (and trust me it takes a lot to make me cry) this was indoors. Then I did an outdoor show with it and it still just sounded unbelievable. The only words I can think of to describe the experience is that it seems to create its own acoustic environment. That is how I explain what I hear with my Bose system. 

I had the same experience on a smaller scale with the S1. I took it out when I got it and set it up next to my pool and played a set for my wife who was swimming in the pool. We both agreed it sounded amazing. For as light as it is and as few small speakers as it has, the S1 Pro is a sonic miracle.....in my humble opinion. 

 

My post above was addressed to ccc.

ST posted:

Hi ccc,

ccc posted:

 Most Bose units are designed for walls when outside there are no walls perhaps a delay naturally and reverb off the buildings if present.

snip 

Do you have a reference for the statement above? I haven't read anything like that in documents about Bose Portable PA products published by Bose. However, here's an article about

Bass Outdoors

ST



Thanks,

ST

Well we've come full circle. Depending on how you have set replies per page, the idea of utilizing the B1 design in conjunction with the S1 Pro geometry was talked about on the first or second page of this thread.

I think there are several reasons we don't see the same low end in the S1 Pro that we see in a B1. A couple, and not necessarily in the order of importance are weight, and performance of the speaker / cabinet design from sub frequencies up to the desired crossover frequency. 

I'm not suggesting it can't be done but I suspect if it was done in a single cabinet it would be a three way cabinet, like a miniature version of a dual 15" with horn. There would be the array, a mid range producing 100 / 200 up to 600 Hz and the sub speaker from 100 / 200 Hz down.

Even the F1 812 with its 12" speaker and the same crossover point as the S1 only goes down to 52 Hz @ -3 dB (43Hz @ -10dB) 

The B1 reproduces 40Hz @ -3dB, and if we can trust the technical data sheet down to 32 Hz @ -10dB. .................. but the design is only good up to about 300Hz.

The weight issue. Any meaningful volume of 40 Hz musical content will shake and bump a lightweight speaker. There is a reason the B1 weighs nearly 30 lbs, roughly twice that of the S1.

What we end up with when we get down to that magical 40Hz is a speaker / system that no longer fits the true compact size and weight of the S1 Pro.

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