Ok,i think i understand the hook-up for stereo....Let me give a go:
I have an l1 model 2 with 1 bass and a T1. I want to use the L1 to run my major sound source for keyboard and backtracks. I have this connected digitally from the T1 to the L1. I have the Keyboard in channel 1 and the backtracks in channel 2. Next, the vocals are running through the house pa system. I want to run the vocals into channel 4/5 and run the aux out from the T1 into the compact. I would set the aux on channel 4/5 and turn the vol off and mute for good measure. Set the balance to the aux at around 50 to 100%....Next, I want to run the stereo side of my keyboard to the compact. I would run the right side of the keyboard to channel 3 and set the aux on channel 3 to vol off and mute and adjust balance to match right side keyboard channel 1. What I want to accomplish is to use the compact as a monitor for vocals and keyboards at the same time using the L1 for backtracks and keys to the audience. What do you think?? confusing? will it work? do I have the right connections? and, is this the right post for this section of the forum...thanks alot...
Hi jimmiez,

That looks like it should work. One thing to note though; you might want to leave T1® Channel 3 volume ON so that the audience will hear both sides of the Keyboards stereo mix.

How big is the venue?
Hi jimmiez,

quote:
Originally posted by jimmiez:
Thanks. The audience is around 100. Does that make a difference?


Depending on the size of the space and how much noise the audience is making, I'm thinking that things would be simpler (and might sound better) if you run everything through the Bose systems. That is ... do not use the house PA system.


How big is the space?
Is this a quiet concert or???
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ST:
Hi jimmiez,

That looks like it should work. One thing to note though; you might want to leave T1® Channel 3 volume ON so that the audience will hear both sides of the Keyboards stereo mix.

How big is the venue?[Quote]
Kinda confused about leaving channel 3 volume on? What would the setting for the balance be in the aux edit of channel 3 ?
thanks again for all your help
Hi jimmiez,

I have done my best to answer your most recent question in this post - but please skip down to my next post for what I think could be a better approach.



About T1® Channel 3:
Just pulling all of this together

quote:
Originally posted by jimmiez
...
Next, I want to run the stereo side of my keyboard to the compact. I would run the right side of the keyboard to channel 3 and set the aux on channel 3 to vol off and mute and adjust balance to match right side keyboard channel 1.


quote:
Originally posted by ST:
...
One thing to note though; you might want to leave T1® Channel 3 volume ON so that the audience will hear both sides of the Keyboards stereo mix.



quote:
Originally posted by jimmiez:
Kinda confused about leaving channel 3 volume on? What would the setting for the balance be in the aux edit of channel 3 ?
thanks again for all your help


Let me break this down into two separate thoughts.

Volume in T1® Channel 3
You are leaving T1® Channel 3 volume on so that the left side of your keyboard sound is going to the Model II (as well as the right side that is going into T1® Channel 1). If I am understanding your original post - if you don't do this, then the left side of the keyboard will only be heard through the Compact (at monitoring levels) and the audience will not hear that very well.

Balance in the Channel 3 Aux Edit
In your original post you said "Set the balance to the aux at around 50 to 100%..." and I think this would still work. You would have to fine tune this by ear.
Hi jimmiez,

I've been re-thinking this a bit. I think I have a simpler approach.

The Model II and Compact will have the same mix, and you will control the volume of Compact for monitoring with the Compact channel 2 volume control.


  1. If possible - do NOT use the house PA system if this is a concert setting. You are trying to avoid having your music heard from multiple sources in the audience. If you absolutely must use the house PA, then see step 6 below.

  2. Run all your inputs to the T1® exactly as you would if there were no House PA system.

  3. Use the Model II to send your sound from the T1® to the audience (exactly as you would do if you did not have a Compact)

  4. Use the T1® ¼ inch jack Master Output to the Compact channel 2 with ToneMatch switch set to Line Level (down).
    The Compact will have the same mix as the Model II.

  5. The T1® Master Volume will also control the volume to the Compact. Set the volume of the Compact (relative to the Model II) (for monitoring) with the Compact channel 2 volume control.
    If you want the full volume signal (independent of the T1® Master Volume) sent to the Compact go into the T1® Prefs section and set Master Out to Pre Master Volume.

  6. House mix: If you want to send your sound to the house PA you can pick that up from the Compact line-out (back of the unit above the power cord). Note - this volume will be affected by the Compact channel 2 volume control.



The Model II and Compact will have the same mix, and you will control the volume of Compact for monitoring with the Compact channel 2 volume control.

What do you think of this?



You might be thinking - but what about stereo? And I would reply that in your original plan, no one was really going to hear stereo anyway.


If you REALLY think that you need to have a separate mix in the Compact for monitoring, you can do that but note - there would be no reverb in the monitor mix. Before I write that up, what do you think of the idea that I described above. Please see the next post.
Hi jimmiez,

Separate Mix for Monitoring
Here is how you could have a separate monitor mix - note - there will be NO REVERB in that mix. Reference: No Reverb on Aux


You will have the option to send either the Aux mix or the Master mix to the house PA if you really need to do that.

Basically - you would be using the Aux output for your separate mix.

  1. Run all your inputs to the T1®.

  2. Use the Model II to send your sound from the T1® to the audience (exactly as you would do if you did not have a Compact)

  3. On the T1® use the Aux settings for each T1® Channel to create a mix for monitoring.

  4. Use the T1® ¼ inch jack Aux Output to the Compact channel 2 with ToneMatch switch set to Line Level (down).

  5. Control the Compact volume (for monitoring) with the Compact channel 2 volume control.

  6. If you need to send a line out to the house PA, then you can take that from the T1® Master Output ¼ inch jack. Note: Changes you make to your Master Volume will also affect the signal to the house PA. If you want the full volume signal sent to the house PA go into the T1® Prefs section and set Master Out to Pre Master Volume.

  7. If you want to send the monitor mix to the house PA (seems unlikely) you can pick that up from the Compact line-out (back of the unit above the power cord).



Summary
The Model II and Compact can have separate mixes. You can set the volume of Compact for monitoring with the Compact channel 2 volume control. This is probably easier than trying to change all the Aux settings.
Ok, here is what I came up with. I am using the compact as a monitor which is facing towards me away from the audience. The L1 is sounding the backtracks and keys toward the audience. I have the left out of the keyboard and backtracks playing through the L1 using the T1's 1 and 3 input channels. I have the right out of the keyboard going into channel 2 of the T1 and have it on the aux setting. The volume knob of channel 2 is off as well as being mutes. However, the aux setting for the backtracks on channel 3 is being sent to both L1 and the compact. So the volume knob is used to control volume for both systems....I need to go into the sketcher and diagram our setup so you can get a sense on what I am working with...jim
Hi jimmiez,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Legend:
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
L1® Compact
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting jimmiez from The Sketcher
quote:
Keyboard is a hybrid computer and keys. channels 1 and 2 of the keys are going to T1 channels
1 and 2. Channel 3 of the keys is playing backtracks on channel 3 of the T1.

Channels 1 and 3 are sounding through the L1 and compact. Channel 2 is sounding only in the compact.

The amps in front of the vocals and base guitar are floor monitors.

The stage speakers at both ends of the stage are hanging speakers from the ceiling in front of the stage facing the audience.

The vocals are being handled via sound at front of church. The mixer shown is actually a 12 channel snake connected to the board at front of church. Channel 4 is being run as an out to the channel 4 input of the T1 and then aux set to sound only in the compact.

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