Sound quality of single F1 vs S1 pro

I'm looking for thoughts/opinions on how a single F1 would compare I  sound quality to an S1 Pro.  I understand many of the differences/pros and cons of each speaker and a lot of boils down to the needs of the venue but I'm interested in knowing if I would be better off using one F1 as FOH along with an S1 as a monitor or using 2 S1 speakers.  Would sound QUALITY be comparable? This application would be for solo acoustic guitar and vocalist and possible a second acoustic guitar and vocalist at times.  Thank you.

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I've owned and used both - F1 and 2 S1 pros.

The F1 is much larger, louder and heavier and has a larger, more powerful sub-woofer.  It also has 9 drivers compared to 2-S1 Pros which have 6 (sort of 2/3 of an F1 with less bottom end - 8" subs vs. 12" sub).

If you're not going to have to cover larger venues -- up to 200 or so people -- you'll get what I think is a much more balanced sound of the acoustic guitar and vocal(s) with 2 S1s in smaller to medium sized venues (up to 75-100 ppl?) than with the F1. 

PLUS the S1s weigh a bunch less, are smaller and can run on batteries to cut down set up time.

I've found that placing the S1s slightly back with one on each side of the performers in the tilted back position does a fine job with guitars and vocals and have easily covered up to 50 people (in a library - turned up halfway) with everyone experiencing great sound.

FYI: I have a Behringer 1002B mixer which can be powered with rechargeable 9v batteries (3).  When playing with another guitar player/vocalist I can even do a slightly "stereo" mix to the left and right S1s using the mixer.

I own s1s and my dad has both 812s and an s1. I would say the sound quality is the same but of course the 812 is more more robust, can play louder and has better coverage. Chet made good points but I think he meant the s1 subs are 6” not 8” so that’s something to consider too

Thank you so much for all of the great info.  It is very helpful!  When using the mixer you referred to, do you still use the tone match settings on the S1 speakers or do you keep the tonematch settings off, reverb off and bass and treble flat and use the mixer for all EQ ing?  Reason  I ask is I'm trying to decide between buying the Tonematch T1 or T4 and buying a regular mixer. Thanks again!

jbarner20 posted:

I own s1s and my dad has both 812s and an s1. I would say the sound quality is the same but of course the 812 is more more robust, can play louder and has better coverage. Chet made good points but I think he meant the s1 subs are 6” not 8” so that’s something to consider too

Thanks for the info!

Hi Simon,

Simon Patrick posted:

Thank you so much for all of the great info.  It is very helpful!  When using the mixer you referred to, do you still use the tone match settings on the S1 speakers or do you keep the tonematch settings off, reverb off and bass and treble flat and use the mixer for all EQ ing?  Reason  I ask is I'm trying to decide between buying the Tonematch T1 or T4 and buying a regular mixer. Thanks again!

Please see:
S1 Pro System with a Mixer
T4S to S1 Pro

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Right - 6" subs.  But it's amazing how much low end 2 S1 Pros put out with such small drivers.  They must have an amazing throw!

I have a T1 on my Bose L1 Mod 2.  To tell the truth I use guitars with pickup systems and vocal microphones that don't have profiles in the T1 and none of the profiles in the T1 really seemed to work all that well for me.  So I've always run it flat and rely on a very high quality vocal mic (Neumann) and I have two pickup systems in my 90s Taylor 514ce guitar (built in Fishman Blender plus a Fishman Rare Earth w/Mic in sound hole) and effects stomp boxes on the guitar to fatten and EQ the signal.

I keep the S1 Pro tone match setting off on the channel I'm driving on each unit (channel 1).  I run the left and right outputs from the Behringer mixer directly to the left and right S1 Pro (using balanced cables).  I use the tone controls on the S1s to set the "room" EQ -- I find I usually have to roll off the bass a little and roll on a bit more treble for most rooms!  I set the tone for each individual vocal and instrument using the 3 channel EQ on the mixer.

I never use reverb.  But that's just me...

Chet 3 posted:

Right - 6" subs.  But it's amazing how much low end 2 S1 Pros put out with such small drivers.  They must have an amazing throw!

I have a T1 on my Bose L1 Mod 2.  To tell the truth I use guitars with pickup systems and vocal microphones that don't have profiles in the T1 and none of the profiles in the T1 really seemed to work all that well for me.  So I've always run it flat and rely on a very high quality vocal mic (Neumann) and I have two pickup systems in my 90s Taylor 514ce guitar (built in Fishman Blender plus a Fishman Rare Earth w/Mic in sound hole) and effects stomp boxes on the guitar to fatten and EQ the signal.

I keep the S1 Pro tone match setting off on the channel I'm driving on each unit (channel 1).  I run the left and right outputs from the Behringer mixer directly to the left and right S1 Pro (using balanced cables).  I use the tone controls on the S1s to set the "room" EQ -- I find I usually have to roll off the bass a little and roll on a bit more treble for most rooms!  I set the tone for each individual vocal and instrument using the 3 channel EQ on the mixer.

I never use reverb.  But that's just me...

Wow...sounds like you have your rig dialed in really well.  Impressive.  Thanks for sharing.

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