Solo Acoustic Performer

Greetings: I am a great Bose lover. I own L1 Model II with B2, L1 Model 1S System with B2. I have two Tone Match. I just purchased the F1 812 and plan to use it at my acoustic gig at wineries. I enjoy my Model II but it is getting a bit of a hassle to load and unload all the equipment and wanted something smaller. I had considered buying the LR Baggs Synapse when it finally comes out, but at $2000, I just didn't want to take a chance.

So the F1 812 made more sense. I know what I'm getting using the Bose. I have never really cared for the Compact. I did not buy the F1 Sub because of the weight, as least not right now. I want to eliminate the amount of equipment I carry so the F1 812 seemed like a good fit. But the B2 is amazing and really gives me a great sound. So, I am left in a lurch. 

Has anyone else used the 812 to play acoustic gigs? I've been toying with selling one of my L1's and purchase a second 812 or the sub. 

I have always enjoyed thoughts from the folks on this forum. Any insight would be helpful.

Jon-Nolan

https://www.facebook.com/jonnolanmusic/

 

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Hi Jon-Nolan,

Thanks for including the link to your website. I looked at some of your videos, and that was helpful.

Jon-Nolan posted:

Greetings: I am a great Bose lover. I own L1 Model II with B2, L1 Model 1S System with B2. I have two Tone Match. I just purchased the F1 812 and plan to use it at my acoustic gig at wineries.

You've got a well-stocked toolkit for sound solutions.

I enjoy my Model II but it is getting a bit of a hassle to load and unload all the equipment and wanted something smaller. I had considered buying the LR Baggs Synapse when it finally comes out, but at $2000, I just didn't want to take a chance.

So the F1 812 made more sense. I know what I'm getting using the Bose. I have never really cared for the Compact. I did not buy the F1 Sub because of the weight, as least not right now. I want to eliminate the amount of equipment I carry so the F1 812 seemed like a good fit. But the B2 is amazing and really gives me a great sound. So, I am left in a lurch. 

Does it sound like you're left in the lurch when you have the F1 Model 812 EQ set to FULL RANGE?

The B2 goes down to 40 Hz. The F1 Model 812 goes down to 52 Hz.  The lowest note on your acoustic guitar is E2 - 82.41 Hz.  Even with a dropped D at 73.42 the F1 Model 812 should give you plenty of low-end support. I noticed that you get some low-end thump with the guitar, but most of that energy is above 50 Hz.

Has anyone else used the 812 to play acoustic gigs? I've been toying with selling one of my L1's and purchase a second 812 or the sub. 

Yes, I have, and it's been fine. I have to be more careful about where I place the F1 Model 812 in the room and in relation to where I'm standing.  The F1 Model 812 can be louder than the L1® Model II, but the horizontal dispersion is narrower. (L1® Model II - approximately 180 degrees, F1 Model 812 - approximately 100 degrees).   At moderate volume, I can stand in front of the F1 Model 812, but when I crank it up, it's too loud for me. Then I stand beside or behind it. But when I do, I can't hear myself very well. That's an observation, not a complaint. 

The F1 Subwoofer sounds terrific and with the F1 Model 812 on top of it, you've got a great looking unit (no tripod stand). But for what you're doing, I don't know that you need more bass. The total system weight of the F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer is almost identical to an L1® Model II with B2 and T1® but with the L1® system, the heaviest piece is the B2 at 45 pounds. The F1 Subwoofer is 55 pounds, and it's bigger.

Adding a second F1 Model 812 will give you more horizontal converage if you put the F1s on either side of a stage. But the experience front-and-center won't be louder for the audience.

I have always enjoyed thoughts from the folks on this forum. Any insight would be helpful.

Jon-Nolan

https://www.facebook.com/jonnolanmusic/

Does that help?

ST

Jon-Nolan posted:

"...Has anyone else used the 812 to play acoustic gigs? I've been toying with selling one of my L1's and purchase a second 812 or the sub..." 

Jon-Nolan

https://www.facebook.com/jonnolanmusic/

 

Hello,

I use my F1 speakers for acoustic music almost exclusively. I've used them for full band work and they work fine, of course, but I am mostly involved with acoustic music (as sound guy and as a performer) and the F1 812 speakers work very well for acoustic music, without the necessity of having to use the F1 subwoofer.

I have two F1 812 speakers and one F1 sub. I hardly ever use the F1 sub, and only use two F1's for larger rooms. For acoustic work, in the small to medium-size rooms I frequent, one F1 speaker is sufficient.

I can put an upright bass through the F1 812 and it sounds just fine. I don't need to use the F1 sub.

I don't play acoustic music at rock concert levels so I don't know how the F1's would perform in this regard.

I think you'll be just fine with one or two (depending on your room sizes) F1 812's without a sub, for acoustic music at reasonable listening levels, but as always everyone's ears and expectations are different so try to audition them before purchase if you can. 

Good luck,

Stu

Stu:

Thank you for your thoughtful response to my inquiry. I have to say the Bose F1 812, sounds amazing. In fact, so much so, I don't think I will have to use my L1 B2. The bass response is amazing and the sound of my guitar sounds fantastic. Thank you for your time.

ST posted:

Hi Jon-Nolan,

Thanks for including the link to your website. I looked at some of your videos, and that was helpful.

Jon-Nolan posted:

Greetings: I am a great Bose lover. I own L1 Model II with B2, L1 Model 1S System with B2. I have two Tone Match. I just purchased the F1 812 and plan to use it at my acoustic gig at wineries.

You've got a well-stocked toolkit for sound solutions.

I enjoy my Model II but it is getting a bit of a hassle to load and unload all the equipment and wanted something smaller. I had considered buying the LR Baggs Synapse when it finally comes out, but at $2000, I just didn't want to take a chance.

So the F1 812 made more sense. I know what I'm getting using the Bose. I have never really cared for the Compact. I did not buy the F1 Sub because of the weight, as least not right now. I want to eliminate the amount of equipment I carry so the F1 812 seemed like a good fit. But the B2 is amazing and really gives me a great sound. So, I am left in a lurch. 

Does it sound like you're left in the lurch when you have the F1 Model 812 EQ set to FULL RANGE?

The B2 goes down to 40 Hz. The F1 Model 812 goes down to 52 Hz.  The lowest note on your acoustic guitar is E2 - 82.41 Hz.  Even with a dropped D at 73.42 the F1 Model 812 should give you plenty of low-end support. I noticed that you get some low-end thump with the guitar, but most of that energy is above 50 Hz.

Has anyone else used the 812 to play acoustic gigs? I've been toying with selling one of my L1's and purchase a second 812 or the sub. 

Yes, I have, and it's been fine. I have to be more careful about where I place the F1 Model 812 in the room and in relation to where I'm standing.  The F1 Model 812 can be louder than the L1® Model II, but the horizontal dispersion is narrower. (L1® Model II - approximately 180 degrees, F1 Model 812 - approximately 100 degrees).   At moderate volume, I can stand in front of the F1 Model 812, but when I crank it up, it's too loud for me. Then I stand beside or behind it. But when I do, I can't hear myself very well. That's an observation, not a complaint. 

The F1 Subwoofer sounds terrific and with the F1 Model 812 on top of it, you've got a great looking unit (no tripod stand). But for what you're doing, I don't know that you need more bass. The total system weight of the F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer is almost identical to an L1® Model II with B2 and T1® but with the L1® system, the heaviest piece is the B2 at 45 pounds. The F1 Subwoofer is 55 pounds, and it's bigger.

Adding a second F1 Model 812 will give you more horizontal converage if you put the F1s on either side of a stage. But the experience front-and-center won't be louder for the audience.

I have always enjoyed thoughts from the folks on this forum. Any insight would be helpful.

Jon-Nolan

https://www.facebook.com/jonnolanmusic/

Does that help?

ST

All I can say to all those choose to read and respond to my post thank you all very much. The Bose F1 812 system sounds amazing even without the sub woofer. I am so impressed with the sounds and bass that it will be my go to set up from now on. 

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