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Hello ST and the Bose Community, I was able to get a test at a live gig yesterday.

VENUE: Local Winery, in the winter I play indoors and in smaller room upstairs. I would say the room is about 40 X 50 and opens up to a larger room on the side. Attentive crowd  at best although our band seems to get the crowd up and moving and there was much dancing by the end of the gig!! I have used an Model L1s with B2 many time in the past and it worked great in this room. There was about 50 or so in the room and close to 200 in adjacent rooms. I down mix to the entire PA to be heard thorough out the facility. 

SETUP:

2 S1 Pros, 1 F1 Sub, I left the F1 812s in the car just in case.

RESULTS: Filled the room wonderfully and in fact I was told to turn down a few times!!! ..I had the F1 as a sub mix on the board so I was able blend in the bottom end with the S1s nicely. 

BAND: 1 guitarist, 1 keyboardist, 1 bassist, 1 percussionist (e-kit). Three vocal mics used and a guest guitarist that sat in on a few songs.

TEST RESULTS:

The S1 Pros really delivered a very good full sound and seem to be a great fit for small rooms. I did miss a little fullness in vocal(s) as compared to the L1s although it was really nice having stereo that really came alive with some of the synth patches we have on the keys. Additionally, I was able to set them behind us and to the side with no feedback issues and mitigate the need for monitors... My keyboardist reported that he could hear himself really well, he was right next to the left side speaker.. which is another observation here, I think the L1 design intent was to have multiple ones when having multiple performers. I did not and I am certain that with a 4-5 piece band in my use case that the L1s was being used beyond its intended purpose.  

SUMMARY:

I just recently traded in my 1Ls B2 / T1 and 3 QSC k12s so that I could go all Bose (2 F1 812s/1F sub and 2 S1 Pros) with this type of equipment and upsize/downsize as needed. As I normally play with a full band/trio and seldom as just a duo or singer/songwriter, I was seeking an all Bose solution to meet this need.

The all Bose solution I am seeking is to meet the needs of a working band(4-5 piece or greater) often needing FOH reinforcement and to validate if the S1 could perform dual purpose as both a monitor for a full band or PA for smaller venues.  So far, its it seems that this set up (2 F1 812s/1F sub and 2 S1 Pros) is really promising for others looking for this type of fit!!

I know I somewhat of an adventurer as this is such a new product, would really love to hear from others also... 

My next test will be with F1 812(s) for FOH with F1 Sub and use the S1 Pros as monitors with the full band.. My practice space is to small to obtain a meaningful test for this so I will report back after the next gig. I have a heavy hitting drummer for that gig so it should be a good test.. 

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Hi ModernVintageDC,

Thanks for trying this out and for telling us about your experience running the S1 Pros as the mains with your F1 Subwoofer.

BAND: 1 guitarist, 1 keyboardist, 1 bassist, 1 percussionist (e-kit). Three vocal mics used and a guest guitarist that sat in on a few songs.



Please tell us what you had going through the S1 Pros. 

  • Vocals
  • Keyboards
  • E-kit for percussion
  • Bass?
  • Guitar(s)?


Thanks,

ST

Hello ST,

Sure!

 

  • Vocals -  (2) SM58,  (1) Sennheiser 835
  • Keyboards - Yamaha MX61
  • E-kit for percussion - Roland
  • Bass - Active Standard Electric Bass 
  • Guitar(s)- Martin GPCPA-4 Rosewood, Fender Strat (American), Banjo, Mandolin.

**I use a Helix Line 6 and go right to the board and have patches I use as needed with snapshots. When I need to use the acoustic, I switch to the "acoustic" patch on the Helix.

Mixer Board: Presonus 16.4.2 AI series

Guest Guitarist - Used the Martin direct in to the board

All instruments mixed down at the board, the sub was on a slider to control the amount bass needed in the mix.

When using the Acoustic kit for the outdoor gigs, I normally mic the kick, snare and tom at min and sometimes OHs, for indoor at this venue, we use  a Cajone/Congos or e-Kit.

Please let me know if you have any other questions, thanks!

 

Hi JD and ModernVintageDC,

For the EQ question, I would consider running the signal source to the F1 Subwoofer and setting the EQ switch to HPF (High Pass Filter). Then take the lines out to the S1 Pros. That way, the S1 Pros will get only the signal above 100 Hz. 

ST

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Hi ST and JD, I just ran some tests, here are a few points/observations:

  • Taking the sub off a separate control for me pushed me in to a continuous state of having to get up and down and lower/raise the volume on the S1 Pros to balance out the sound level(s) which reminded of why I put the sub on a separate sub mix when pairing with the S1 Pros.
  • I did notice quite a difference with the EQ setting on the sub and to my ears, it seemed to take some of the nice little fullness I like about the S1s and the ability to project very well in the lower levels. 
  • I reconnected the sub as a separate mix on the board and attempted to digitally EQ the sound while striving to appreciate the notion here that the F1 Sub is better positioned to handle the low end and to EQ accordingly....
  • The Sweet Spot for me when I applied the cutoff was around 50-60HZ.

In summary, to my ears, I think

  1. While the F1 is such a monster Sub compared to the S1, keeping a separate mix-out on the board really helps to control the SPL/Sound level difference and
  2. Running the HPF set from the 100HZ on the sub down a little further on a custom EQ to around 50-60HZ seemed sound the best.

I noticed the cut sheet for the S1 is 70HZ on the low end regarding the frequency response. Most likely the ability to get down to around 55-60@-10db for the range well is perhaps what I was missing and feel as though the S1 does a great job at. This may well explain why the S1 performs so well as a FRFR (Full Range Full Response) speaker for all of the Guitar Amp Modelers out there...I preface this all knowing that what sounds the "best" sound is both an Art and Science so I leave to others to test and try, these are the results that seemed to sound the best to me..

Thanks ST for the inspiration and encouragement to try some new things and do further testing!

Hi ModernVintageDC,

I had not ever expected to do this, but I just spent some time comparing the F1 Model 812 to the S1 Pro with both run through an F1 Subwoofer.

I ran the source signal to the F1 Subwoofer and Channel 1 out to F1 Model 812 and Channel 2 out to the S1 Pro.

I tried every combination I could imagine using

  • F1 Subwoofer EQ (FULL RANGE / HPF High Pass Filter)
  • F1 Model 812 EQ (FULL RANGE / WITH SUB)
  • Various settings for the F1 Model 812 array (Straight, J, Reverse-J, C)
    • I settled on C because this most closely matched the dispersion of the S1 Pro
  • Various settings with the S1 Pro volume and tone controls, but I kept the ToneMatch switch to off



Testing Conditions

I put the S1 Pro on a stand with the logo at the same height as the logo on the F1 Model 812 mounted on top of the F1 Subwoofer.

I used a Sound Pressure Level meter at 15 feet and set the volumes for both at 90 dBA SPL. 

I did the listening test with a variety of music. For Acoustic Guitar and Vocals and Classical music, the S1 Pro held up well in comparison to the F1 Model 812. When I got into more dynamic, full-range, demanding music at higher volume the F1 Model 812 did much better. That should be no surprise.

S1 Pro

For overall best sound for the S1 Pro, I did this.

  • F1 Subwoofer EQ: HPF
  • S1 Pro
    • Volume at 12:00 o'clock
    • Bass and Treble at 12:00 o'clock

I was able to get consistent 100+ dBA at 3 feet and 90 dBA at 15 feet.

When I set the F1 Subwoofer EQ to FULL RANGE, there was more bass from the S1 Pro, but as you'd expect, I saw red on the LED sooner, and when I pushed it harder, there was audible distortion.  I got more usable volume from the S1 Pro with the F1 Subwoofer EQ set to HPF.

F1 Model 812

If you've got an F1 Model 812, you know how it sounds and I'm sure you like it. It sets a very high bar for comparison.  The S1 Pro is fine up to the levels where I did my comparison, but you'll get at least another 20 dBA SPL out of the F1 Model 812.  No matter what I did with the controls, in this head-to-head comparison I preferred the sound of the F1 Model 812 but it was close.

Summary

I'm even more impressed with the S1 Pro after having done this comparison. To reset my ear, I took a break and then removed the F1 Subwoofer from the signal path. I listened to the S1 Pro and F1 Model 812 at 75 dBA at 15 feet.  At this level, both are easy to listen to for long periods.

When running a live band at a small venue, I might consider the combination of S1 Pros with an F1 Subwoofer, but if there were any chance I'd need more volume than in my tests today, I'd take the F1 Model 812s and use the S1 Pros as stage monitors.

If anyone else tries this out, please tell us what you hear. We've all got different tastes and applications.

ST

edit: I apologize. I ran these tests above with the T8S ToneMatch mixer. I realized after I posted the comments above that I had the DJ High Volume Preset set on the channel I used for the F1 Model 812. I re-ran all the tests and I have amended my comments.

Hi ModernVintageDC,

Thanks for taking your experiments to the next level.

I was busy typing my post above and had not seen your post when I posted it.

We came at this from different directions and we discovered different things as a result.  When I have more time for this, I may take another run at this by controlling the F1 Subwoofer with an Aux feed. 

ST

To all: I apologize. I ran the tests above with the T8S ToneMatch mixer. I realized after I posted the comments above that I had the DJ High Volume Preset set on the channel I used for the F1 Model 812. I re-ran all the tests and I have amended my comments.

The S1 Pro is more similar to the F1 Model 812 than I first thought. However, if you push hard using the DJ High Volume Preset in the ToneMatch mixers, the F1 Model 812 handles that better.

ST

Hello ST, excellent test! Thanks so much for the great detailed tests and results. Apparently we both went down to our respective labs and as you noted typed our results at perhaps the same time time. I agree that we came at this from different directions and discovered different things as a result... I really like the added insights to the differences you discovered with respect to the SPL levels, I have not had a chance to test sound db levels  so your information is very useful and helpful. 

Agree that the S1 is more impressive by the moment and your report out validates what my ears seem to hear with comparison to the 812. This all  really weighs in to the opportunity for the S1 to serve as a great dual purpose FOH for small venues and mated with the F1 Sub for those looking for any extra little bottom end if needed and additionally serve as what perhaps might be the perfect "fit" monitor for those looking to hear what others hear (sound familiar) in a more traditional band FOH/monitor setup.. I think Bose really knocked it out of the park with this one! 

Thanks so much ST!! 

Keith

Hey Keith, JD.

It's a lot of fun to think about using S1 Pros with an F1 Subwoofer. And JD, I'm looking forward to your comments when you try it.  Here are a few more random thoughts.

S1 Pros - adding an F1 Subwoofer Thumbs Up on Apple iOS 11.2

If I had a pair of S1 Pros, I would consider adding an F1 Subwoofer for situations where I needed more low end. The F1 Subwoofer could make a big difference for a DJ, KJ, or a band that needs to support full range keys, bass guitar, or kick drum.

S1 Pros instead of F1 Model 812sThinking Face on Google Android 8.1

Because I have F1 Model 812s and F1 Subwoofers, it's harder to imagine when I would use the S1 Pros instead of the F1 Model 812s. Here's why:

  • The F1 Model 812 is great down to 52 Hz (-3 dB)
    • If I need more low end support than a pair of S1 Pros can provide at a small gig, a pair of F1 Model 812s will probably do the job.
  • Floor space:
    • Two F1 Stacks (F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer) take less floor space than two S1 Pros on speaker stands with an F1 Subwoofer.
  • Setup: (assuming I would bring two F1 Subwoofers to the gig)
    • It's faster and easier to setup the F1 Model 812s on top of the F1 Subwoofers than to set up two S1 Pros on speaker stands especially if you consider the time to run and secure cable runs.
  • Weight: (assuming I would bring two F1 Subwoofers to the gig)
    • F1 Model 812 is 45 pounds x 2 units = 90 pounds
    • S1 Pro is 15 + 10 for a speaker stand = 25 x 2 units = 50 pounds
    • The difference is only 40 pounds more to bring the F1 Model 812s.

ST

You gain two octaves of bass frequencies using the F1 sub over the 812s... right? Some people enjoy those deep notes...  

The floor space is larger for musicians, but not for DJ/KJs since most since I will have the and probable put the sub underneath... 

The main difference is the overall volume that can be achieved by a pair of 812s... if one doesn't need that extra  oomph it is conceivable that two S1 Pros and a single F1 sub might really be a nice compact little rig!   

Hi JD,

jdbassentertainment.com posted:

I have some aluminum 5 pound speaker stands which would make it a 50 pound difference... and you gain two octaves of bass frequencies using the F1 sub over the 812s... right?

F1 Model 812  (-3 dB)  52 Hz = G#1
F1 Subwoofer (-3 dB) 40 Hz = E 1

That's four semitones difference, not two octaves.

Reference: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-notenames.htm

Some people enjoy those deep notes... 
Sure

The floor space is larger, but not by a lot...

The main difference is the overall volume that can be achieved by a pair of 812s... if one doesn't need that it is conceivable that two S1 Pros and a single F1 sub might really be a nice compact little rig!   

Sure

ST

The other thing about the S1 Pros/F1 Sub system that may appeal to some is not having to lift the 812s up onto the stands... especially those who are getting older or have had an injury. Lifting 45lbs up that high could be quite challenging for some of these people. Lifting an S1 Pro up on to a stand would be much easier. That being said they would have to lift the 55lb sub in and out of their vehicle. Might be a wash in the end... it just depends on someones limitations and the sound they are looking for.

Hi JD,

jdbassentertainment.com posted:

I thought the F1 sub went down to 35hz @ -10db meaning notes can be heard down to 35hz just not very loudly ???

F1 Model 812  (-3 dB)  52 Hz = G# 1
F1 Subwoofer (-3 dB) 40 Hz = E  1
Four semitones difference

F1 Model 812  (-10 dB)  43 Hz = F   1
F1 Subwoofer (-10 dB) 38 Hz = D# 1
Two semitones difference

I wanted to clear up the impression that the difference is two octaves. It isn't. Of course there's more to the story than just the specifications about the frequency range.  The F1 Subwoofer puts out most of its energy in the the sub 100 Hz range.

As for the rationale for using S1 Pros or F1 Model 812s with an F1 Subwoofer, I hope we're all making the optimal choices based  on the needs for each specific gig.

ST

Hey JD and ST, great points! 

Perhaps a little bit more on what I determined was a good use case for me and how I arrived at attempting to leverage the S1 Pros with the F1 Sub..

After I purchased the S1 Pros, I demoed them to my bandmates at practice. I have a small rehearsal space and my L1s w/B2 always covered this room quite well with my 4-5 piece band (3-4 vocals, 1-2 guitars, bass, keys and acoustic drums). At the end of practice, I demoed the S1 with consideration to use at our next gig in place of the L1s w/B2.. When comparing the S1 against the B2 , the bassist and Keyboardist said they really missed the low end and that I should stick with the L1s w/B2. 

Bound and determined, I started to experiment with taking off the stick of the L1s and using the B2 with the S1s...of course there was that low end and it sounded really good... Next, I called over my keyboardist to help me the next day carry my QSC KSUB in downstairs to my rehearsal space for further testing.

The first thing I did was not connect the SUB and just had the keyboardist listen to a Bass guitar and Keys through just the S1s. I commented that it  was not a fair test the prior night as our ears were accustomed to the B2 and it was obvious when we dropped it out... He said they sounded great, then,  I added the B2, and of course it sounded great. When I took it back out, of course we really missed that great low end and overall fullness added. I then swapped in the KSUB for similar results and yet much more power.... I noticed right away that between either the KSUB or B2, I had to fiddle with sound levels in the sub to get a nice blended mix..(hence why I create a submit on the board for the F1 SUB). The overall takeaway was that if one was seeking to get to the lower registers as ST noted on the Bass guitar  (E1) and additionally in our case were we used some very low register synth patches on the Yamaha MX 61 (Has 1000 Motif Sounds), the sub is greatly appreciated!!

So, that is was inspired me to use this "compact" set up at a gig. I agree ST that perhaps it is a trade off to use either (2)  F1812s or 2 S1 Pros with a Sub.. I think the answer to which option is best is most likely "it depends"...

1) Low end needed (running a bass through the F1s with no bass amp, want to hear the "kick" nicely on an e-KIT or lower end punch on a Cajone) Low SPL fit for a small venue = 1 F1Sub and 2 S1 Pros seems to work great.. 

2) 52HZ okay for low end, no sub needed, use just the 2 812s (also I may add I have similarly used a setup like this when I had 2 K12s for certain rooms and had the bassist simply bring his bass amp).

There are many gigs I did last year with just 2 K12s for FOH and 1 K12 wedge as a monitor, now that I am all Bose, I am planning to use either of these 4 combos depending upon the need and best "fit"

  • Smallest of venues - 1 or 2 S1 Pros 
  • Small Venues - 2 S1 Pros as FOH, 1 F1sub (also note the S1s work dual purpose as monitors vs the 812s which need a monitor)..
  • Medium Size Venues - 2 812s as FOH, S1 Pros as Monitors, Bassist brings amp
  • Larger venues - 2 812s as FOH, 1 F1 Sub, S1 Pros as Monitors (possible bass amp, drum set fully miced).

Unfortunately, I get the added duty of being the sound guy in addition to a band mate.. I will leave out the other "fun" duties for now.....although I enjoy it, it is a labor of love and I am always seeking max flexibility and efficiency. Set up time in 30 minutes or less is my goal for a full band!

Thus far, this is what I am thinking might work from the Coffee Shop to the small festival...

Thanks ST and JD!

Thoughts? 

 

Sounds great to me! Great options and lots of flexibility. 

As a DJ/KJ/Live Sound Engineer... I am in lots of different venues with many different sized crowds. 

On occasion I have a small show where this system might be the best fit. 

I have a wedding this low key weekend (about 60 guests) in a small pub 20' W x 40' L in size. I have never played there before. I like the idea of this little S1 Pro x2/F1 sub system for a couple reasons...

1) It will be crowded and with the S1 Pros on stands I can get them over the crowd so you can hear at the back of the room. Before I had the S1 Pros I would have used an L1 Model II/B2 although I'm sure it would sound great the Achilles heal of the L1 is a thick crowd right in front of it...

2) I like  the idea of having the F1 sub in line since I have never played in this venue and want to make sure my clients get a good sound and since some rooms soak up the bass... I will dial in the proper amount using the F1 sub. 

3) I also am more confident that with the S1 Pros I won't be told it's too loud for this sized crowd. That being said bass it a big part of the equation when your talking about the perceived overall "loudness" ...so if I am asked to turn it down most likely the F1 sub will be the culprit... I will try and dial things in prior to the guests arrival! 

4) I also like the idea that I have two top units hooked up in case one was to go down for some reason... I could keep the party going with a single S1 Pro and F1 sub.

*Please keep in mind for 95% of my weddings I still see my self using either one ore two L1 Model II systems. This particular wedding is unique in both venue size and and crowd size are small enough where I believe this will be the perfect fit.

I will give a full report after the show on Saturday. 

Excellent JD, I am excited to hear your result!. The room seems similar to the one I had a show in last Saturday and to your point #3, that was the driver for me, I did not want to be to loud. I was asked twice to turn down and did not get that reaction when I played there last month, same room, and used the L1S/B2.... I am sure the e-Kit with the driving kick at times contributed to the sound being more noticeable at times and we had some snow which for Northern VA is not to common so the facility was a bit less crowded than usual also (Ambient noise was lower). The folks in the room really enjoyed it! 

I look forward to hearing your results, thanks JD!

Keith

Used the S1 Pro x2/F1 sub system for my DJ show for the wedding I performed at the past Saturday. The attendance was about 75 people. I put the S1 Pros on speaker stands behind us on either side and the F1 sub under the table. I put the S1 Pros behind us because we had seating right up to our table and were afraid of people tripping on the stands... first I found a good balance between the S1 Pros and F1 sub. At first I did not engage the HPF and at low playback volume the it sounded good, but once I started playing music at "dance volume" I wasn't liking what I was hearing... the S1 Pros seemed to be working too hard to keep up with the sub. So I flipped the HPF switch on the F1 sub and wow what a difference. I kept it in this configuration for the rest of the celebration and was very happy with the sound. After engaging the HPF I had more of headroom... definitely more than enough for this sized crowd...

This is an interesting little system... I feel it has a better sound than two L1 Compacts. I typically use an L1 Model II (or two depending on the size of the crowd) for my DJ show... this little set-up is a nice alternative for crowds of 100 guests of less (depending on the venue). It is also a good option and when you don’t have much space (about 5’ from the wall) and you don’t want the people sitting directly in front of you to tell you to turn it down before the people in the back of the room can even hear... with this setup you can lift S1 Pros to just over their head level and turn it up... it worked out great!  

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Hello JD,

Great report out, thanks for sharing! Makes perfect sense engaging the HPF to get more headroom out of the S1s. I am amazed and impressed at the capability of the S1s at your event and the ability to perform as they did. The show I had was much more of an attentive crowd so I did not have as much of need to have the S1s work so hard...Appreciate the findings JD, looks like we have a new option on the table.

Keith 

We packed up in record time (my wife and I)! If I do recall we had it in the van and were on the road in 15 min!

It is fun to use the S1 Pros with the F1 sub because I already own the gear, but I don’t think I would go out and purchase it specifically for the purpose of using it together... unless my main target audience for my business was typically these size events. With this system you couldn’t really do my medium sized weddings which have 150-250 guests very confidently. That being said I think Keith (ModernVintageDC) hit the nail on the head... we do have a new option on the table!

...so if you’re in the market for a micro sound system with slamming bass you may consider this as an option... or if you already own the gear and you have a small show you may want to give this little set-up a whirl... just keep in mind it’s limitations and you will probably be very happy with the results! 

 

I have 2 PackLite amps, 2 B2's, and4 B1's for my L1's. 
wondering how i would use my subs instead of buying more than just the S1's.  i was looking at the DBX GoRack, but then saw the T4 and thought that was a better move and maybe it has the ability to run a HighPass and Low Pass on the S1/PackLite B2 combo.

any thoughts on this?

Hi all...bumping this thread back up.  I tried the Behringer 12 inch sub but it just could not keep up with the 2 S1 Pros.  So today I returned it and bit the bullet and got the F1 subwoofer.  However, when I tried it tonight I felt like the S1 Pros were still way too powerful.  Now, since I was at home I couldn't turn it up to gig-level volume, so maybe when I do that I will hear the F1 more?

I ran from my mixer into the F1, EQ set to High Pass Filter, and out to the S1s.  Volume on those were at 12 o'clock, bass and treble also at 12 o'clock.  I had my mixer level and iPod channel pretty low.  But the S1s were LOUD.  I turned the F1 up all the way and could barely hear it, even on bass-heavy music like hip hop and EDM.  Just can't figure out why I am not getting any reasonable bass.

I'd appreciate any thoughts you all have to make this work better.  I just could not get the F1 to get anywhere near as loud as the S1s when I was trying them out tonight.

Hi Durnbock

Durnbock posted:

Hi all...bumping this thread back up.  I tried the Behringer 12 inch sub but it just could not keep up with the 2 S1 Pros.  So today I returned it and bit the bullet and got the F1 subwoofer.  However, when I tried it tonight I felt like the S1 Pros were still way too powerful.  Now, since I was at home I couldn't turn it up to gig-level volume, so maybe when I do that I will hear the F1 more?

Yes, probably.



I ran from my mixer into the F1, EQ set to High Pass Filter, and out to the S1s.  Volume on those were at 12 o'clock, bass and treble also at 12 o'clock.  I had my mixer level and iPod channel pretty low.  But the S1s were LOUD.  I turned the F1 up all the way and could barely hear it, even on bass-heavy music like hip hop and EDM.  Just can't figure out why I am not getting any reasonable bass.

I'd appreciate any thoughts you all have to make this work better.  I just could not get the F1 to get anywhere near as loud as the S1s when I was trying them out tonight.

Set things up like this and test when you can really crank up the volume.

  1. Turn up the iPod and mixer level.
    • Get master outputs of the mixer showing at least 0 dB (this may be shown as unity gain or -18 dBFS if you have digital mixer). 
    • You need this to get the F1 Subwoofers working
  2. Turn down the S1 Pro inputs to around 10:00 o'clock
  3. Adjust the F1 Subwoofer volume to balance out the bass/mid-high sound between the F1 Subwoofer and the S1 Pros
  4. Manage the overall volume with the mixer



Better?

ST

Holy **** ST!  You were right, this system sounds PHENOMENAL!  I'll still need to adjust as I go but definitely plenty of bass!

Since I'm OCD, I did notice one of the XLR inputs of the sub is a little hard to put in and take out the cable.  Hopefully it loosens up after some use!

BU OMG the sound is crushing the place while testing it!

Just an update, still loving the sound of this combo!  Just one thing I noticed at my karaoke show tonight:  I was getting the red clipping light on the S1s when some singers were really powerful.  Nothing on the F1 sub, and when it was just music loud the S1s never clipped, only when there were strong vocals.

I'm using 2 Shure PG58 wireless mics into a QSC TouchMix 16 mixer.  XLR cables out from mixer to the F1 sub, set to high pass output, then XLR cables to Channel 1 of each S1.  I saw a post a while back suggesting to just use XLRs with the S1s for mics.  Should I try XLR to TRS cables to the S1s?

Hi Durnbock,

Durnbock posted:

Just an update, still loving the sound of this combo! 

Terrific!

Just one thing I noticed at my karaoke show tonight:  I was getting the red clipping light on the S1s when some singers were really powerful. 

Flickers of red are okay. Solid red indicates the inputs are clipping.

Nothing on the F1 sub, and when it was just music loud the S1s never clipped, only when there were strong vocals.

Try using a limiter in the QSC TouchMix 16 mixer on the microphone channels.  See page 9 of the QSC TouchMix application guide 



I'm using 2 Shure PG58 wireless mics into a QSC TouchMix 16 mixer.  XLR cables out from mixer to the F1 sub, set to high pass output, then XLR cables to Channel 1 of each S1.  I saw a post a while back suggesting to just use XLRs with the S1s for mics.  Should I try XLR to TRS cables to the S1s?

Before spending money on XLR to TRS cables try:

  • Using the Limiter functions in the QSC TouchMix 16 mixer on the microphone channels
  • Turning down the volume on the S1 Pro channels that are lighting up red

If neither of the steps above resolve the issue, switching to XLR to TRS cables might help.  The S1 Pro XLR Inputs have higher input sensitivity than the TRS inputs. This means they are going to clip sooner than the TRS inputs (at the same input signal level).

ST

Thanks ST, I will look into how the limiter works.  Oddly, the mic channels on the mixer themselves were not clipping at all--they only got into yellow.  It was just the channels on the S1s.  It was usually just some flashing of red, once in a while it would be more solid if they were holding out a long note or something.  I didn't notice any distortion in sound at all, but am mostly just wanting to make sure that the S1s avoid any damage if it keeps happening.

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