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Bose S1 Pro

Designed for musicians, DJs and general PA use, the S1 Pro is the ultimate all-in-one PA, floor monitor and practice amplifier that's ready to be your go-anywhere Bluetooth music system for nearly any occasion. 

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Thanks I was going to get another one to DJ small backyard parties with Karaoke but I think I will stick with one for wedding ceremonies from everything you have said I think buying another one would be wasted money.i already have 2 QSC’s for dance parties I was looking for a back up system for smaller gigs that was light weight

Artie w/the Party posted:

Thanks I was going to get another one to DJ small backyard parties with Karaoke but I think I will stick with one for wedding ceremonies from everything you have said I think buying another one would be wasted money.i already have 2 QSC’s for dance parties I was looking for a back up system for smaller gigs that was light weight

Our company provides sound for plenty of weddings, retail, and corporate events. I just tested the S1 Pros and think they are ideal for small setups. We use Bose, QSC, EV, and JBL. For retail gigs the S1 Pros shine. You don't need to thump out, just background music for about 70 sq feet. For weddings, pair these with some Sennheiser wireless receivers and you have wireless speakers you can put anywhere. Majority of our weddings we used L1 Compacts connected to a battery inverter. With the S1s we can setup quicker as the batteries are built in. If using for a small party, just add a sub with it and roll off the bass or use a crossover. For anytime we do dances, we always bring a sub so the tops can go louder without distortion.

For our company, it's all about setup time, portability, and how much the client is willing to pay. The S1s provide clean sound, are compact and lightweight. For weddings on a budget, we can use the S1s for the majority of the sound. Battery operated for ceremony and cocktails, then if it's a small reception, plug in the power and use them with a sub. This would be for our smallest events on a budget.

This is what our company recommends to our clients based on our current equipment:

  • <50 guests - (2) Bose S1, (1) 12” EV ZXA1 Sub
  • 50-70 - (2) Bose L1 Compact, (1) 12” EV ZXA1 Sub
  • 70-100 - (2) QSC K8,  (1) 12” EV ZXA1 Sub
  • 100-150 - (2) JBL PRX 710,  (1) 15” JBL PRX 715XLF Sub
  • 150-225 - (2) JBL PRX 712, (2) 15” JBL PRX 715XLF Sub
  • 225-250 - (2) JBL PRX 712, (2) Bose S1 remote speakers, (2) 15” JBL PRX 715XLF Sub
  • 250-350 - (4) JBL PRX 712, (2) 15” JBL PRX 715XLF Sub
Artie w/the Party posted:

The base your describing is from the blue tooth port not if your using a DJ controller or mixer right Could I use my ev elx 200 18 inch sub instead of a 12 inch?

Bluetooth is not advisable if you are doing any live mixing from the controller unless maybe you use APT-X receiver and transmitter on both ends. Even with that, it still isn't that in sync so trying to scratch and beat mix is hard, also any mic announcements are delayed. If I go wireless, I use the Sennheiser body packs. It's analog but there is no delay. I only use wireless during ceremonies and for additional remote speakers.

I go from controller -> mixer -> sub  -> S1 Pros. Although you can use an 18, there would be a gap in frequency range as well as the 18 overpowering the S1s. That mid range kick would be missing. You don't want your mains to be that much smaller than your sub. 18's are good with 12" mains. Also, an 18 defeats the idea of going compact. An 18 would be overkill for the area that an S1 is capable of covering.

Artie w/the Party posted:

Thank you I guess I would have to buy a 12inch sub but in the mean time 2 S1s without a sub would probably work for 50 people I mainly play for family crowds mixed with oldies country and pop

The S1s are good for people listening to music, for dancing I would definitely use a sub or go with a pair of mains that have more bass response like a QSC K8 if you go without a sub. When people are dancing, I've found that people enjoy it more when they can feel the beat. If you start playing dance music at full range performance levels, the S1s bottom out. Even with our L1 Compacts, we match them with a sub if there is any dancing. 

The reason we use the 12" EV ZXA1 subs is because that is what we have in our inventory. I was thinking that a B1 might be an option, but it sounds like the B1 needs a crossover to make it sound good. I don't want to add more items in the chain as S1s are made to simplify setups. I was wondering if the 8" Fishman SA Sub might be a good addition to the S1 because it has it's own low pass filter, but I have no experience with that brand.

 

 

Artie w/the Party posted:

Thank you for all your help if I have to bring a sub or my k12s to get base on the S1 I may as well just use my QSCs for dancing and use the S-1 for ceremonies 

Yup, no need for S1 on dance floor if you have K12s. S1 is for convenience in ceremony or for some really small gigs. Main benefit is using it where  you can't get power.

We bring what is required for the occasion. As stealthy as possible but still enough to handle the requirements. Since some of our DJs gig 6 days a week, we make sure that they bring what they need without breaking their backs.

For those clients on a budget, the S1/sub combo would be our minimum dance package yet still produce a nice clean sound. 

Hi Archtop Eddy,

Archtop Eddy posted:

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How do you connect it (or any other sub for that matter) to the S1 Pro?  Thanks!

I'll start with the general approach

Ideally, you want to split the sound so the low frequencies are handled by the subwoofer and mids and highs are handled by the S1 Pro system(s).

The ideal situation

  • Send the source (likely a mixer) to the subwoofers
    • The subwoofer has high-pass outputs for the mid and high frequencies
    • Connect the high-pass output to the S1 Pro systems

This is ideal because are no longer sending low frequencies to the S1 Pro systems so you can turn them up higher without low-end distortion.

Less than ideal

  • The subwoofer does NOT have a high-pass output
  • Connect the source (a mixer or microphone and instrument) to the S1 Pro
  • Connect the S1 Pro LINE OUT to the subwoofer

This is less desirable because

  • You have low frequencies coming out of both the subwoofer and the S1 Pro systems.  You may have some interaction between the sound from the S1 Pro and the subwoofer. 



Archtop Eddy posted:

DJErv above mentions possibly using an 8" Fishman SA Sub with the S1 Pro.  Has anyone tried this?  How do you connect it (or any other sub for that matter) to the S1 Pro?  Thanks!

The Fishman SA Sub does not have high-pass filters on the outputs.

You can use the S1 Pro LINE OUT. There's no reason to connect your sound source directly to the Fishman SA sub. 

How's that?

ST

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Thanks ST.  That's really helpful.  I'm pretty much in the dark regarding subwoofers, so this is a learning curve for me...

Sounds like what you are saying is the ideal way would be to run the sources (mic and guitar in my case) to a mixer then the appropriate frequencies to the S1 and whichever subwoofer.  Of course, this would entail having to add a mixer to my line up.  If I were to go this route, do you think I could just use one of my QCS K-10 speakers for the "sub" frequecies?

As for your last point regarding the Fishman SA sub, since it doesn't have high-pass filters on the outputs, are you saying I should or should not connect it via the S1 Pro LINE OUT?

Thanks again -- Ed

Hi Archtop Eddy,

Archtop Eddy posted:

Thanks ST.  That's really helpful.  I'm pretty much in the dark regarding subwoofers, so this is a learning curve for me...

Do you the need for a subwoofer with the S1 Pro system for voice and guitar?  There's not a lot of vocal or guitar content below 100 Hz (the range where a subwoofer can do the most good).

Why do you need more low end?



Sounds like what you are saying is the ideal way would be to run the sources (mic and guitar in my case) to a mixer then the appropriate frequencies to the S1 and whichever subwoofer. 

You want to split the frequencies

  • Below 100 Hz (variable up to 150 Hz) - heard through subwoofer
  • Frequencies above the subwoofer - heard through the S1 Pro

Some subwoofers will do the split for you. Others don't have that option.

Some mixers will do that for you. Others don't have that option.

Of course, this would entail having to add a mixer to my line up.  If I were to go this route, do you think I could just use one of my QCS K-10 speakers for the "sub" frequecies?

QSC K10

S1 Pro

On paper, your QSC K10 doesn't go lower than the S1 Pro.  Try it and please tell us what you hear.



As for your last point regarding the Fishman SA sub, since it doesn't have high-pass filters on the outputs, are you saying I should or should not connect it via the S1 Pro LINE OUT?

Thanks again -- Ed

You can connect the mixer to the Fishman SA subwoofer and run the line outs to the the S1 Pro system.

OR

You can skip the mixer.  Connect your sound sources to the S1 Pro system. Then connect the S1 Pro LINE OUT to the Fishman SA subwoofer.

ST

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You the man ST! Thanks for all the answers about subwoofers. It clears up what I need to know if I decide to go that route.  Although I'm using just a guitar and mic (for vocals), I use a variety of pedals including a Boss Super Octave 3 to create bass patterns.  When I set the pedal at the level I like, it seems to overdrive the S1Pro.  I was thinking by separating the bass part to a subwoofer could help.  But to tell you the truth and upon further consideration, I think the problem may be in the Super Octave. There may be a glitch in it. I'm going to replace it first to see if that's the problem.  All said and done, I don't really want to be lugging around a subwoofer.   Again thanks ST!  I think this info is useful for other folks as well. 

(If any of our community forum members are actually using a subwoofer with their S1Pro, it would be nice to hear about their experience and to hear why they have chosen to use one.)

Hi Archtop Eddy,

Here's an idea. You can send the frequencies to the device that can best reproduce them.

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Of course, if you're using a looper too, you'd need a multi-track looper to keep things separate.

ST

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Thanks CityFolk!  I hadn't seen the thread you mentioned.  Interestingly enough, I came to the same conclusion on my own about using the Behringer subwoofer (Eurolive B1200D-PRO) and was able to get one with a 15 percent discount at Guitar Center during the President Days Sale.  I connected it up today and was pleased with what I was getting. However, the link you provided gives me an even better idea about how to get a good mix from the hi-cut!  It's too late to check it out tonight but I'll give it a shot tomorrow.  In a nutshell: Very useful and timely information indeed.  Thanks again, CityFolk!

While I just bought the Behringer B1200D-PRO subwoofer and can see it could work for my needs, I keep wondering if the Fishman SA Sub 300W Powered subwoofer for the SA300x would also work.  My only concerns about the Behringer is that it is large, bulky and relatively heavy.  While the Fishman is smaller and lighter, I'm also concerned it may not have the cross-over type features of the Behringer.  Does anyone know if this is an issue and even better, has anyone actually tried one with their S1 Pro?  Thanks!

Thanks CityFolk.  I'm thinking the same thing too about wattage, speaker size and versatility of the Fishman subwoofer, however, I was hoping someone might have given it a try.  You never know... it might have worked.

By the way, thanks for the picture of the back of the Fishman unit.  I hadn't been able to find that.

In my case, I'm not really looking for heart-thumping bass.  I could see that if someone is using the S1Pro for DJ'ing.  But for me, I just want a subwoofer to bleed off some of the low end from the S1Pro. I'm using a Boss Super Octave OC3 to get the "bass" sound I want, and I think setting the pedal as I do might be pushing the S1Pro a tad too much.

I'm finding that the Behringer can do the job. I just want to make use I've considered all my options before committing to keeping it.  A smaller subwoofer like the Fishman would be a real plus. But I think the system configuration of the Behringer is a bigger deal.

It would be awesome if Bose would consider making a subwoofer for the S1Pro that meets size, weight and configuation options that maximizes the S1Pro sound output.  And if it was battery-powered (maybe using two of the lithium batteries...), such a subwoofer would be over the top!

Thanks again CityFolk for educating me about subwoofers and helping me run down some of my options.

 

 

Hi CityFolk,

CityFolk posted:

Agreed, having a B2 like sub along the lines of the Behringer 1200D to add to the S1 would be cool especially if it was battery powered. It would also be cool to have it shareable between the S1 and the L1 too so you could use it for both. 

Please consider adding your suggestion to the discussion below.

S1 Pro system: Feature Requests and Suggestions

Thanks,

ST

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