Discussions about the new Bose S1 Pro

Bose S1 Pro

Designed for musicians, DJs and general PA use, the S1 Pro is the ultimate all-in-one PA, floor monitor and practice amplifier that's ready to be your go-anywhere Bluetooth music system for nearly any occasion. 

This is the place to discuss the S1 Pro system.

S1 Pro channel 3 has too much bass

This issue seems to keep resurfacing... users keep running into the issue I highlighted quite a while ago in my "turn down for what" thread. When streaming songs via Bluetooth some of them (that have deep bass) can distort in the low frequencies... The more I have used the S1 Pro system, the more I have come to the realization that the S1 needs some bass reduction (occasionally) to avoid low frequency distortion on certain tracks.

Perhaps Bose should have incorporated Eq knobs on channel three as well this way the user would be able to dial back the bass when need be... it is rather difficult to dig into the settings of ones smart device to change the bass output every time there needs to be an adjustment. 

I would suggest (if it is possible) for Bose to make a firmware update to fix this issue. If not... perhaps offer another piece of hardware that your smart device syncs up with that would give the user some Eq or processing power... and then the S1 Pro would sync up with this device... or perhaps it would utilize the 1/8" jack on channel 3??

Hey jdbass I’m back! Honestly I just gave up on the problem. I use powered subs to filter low frequencies and alleviate the s1s when I need to or use Spotify’s EQ to DRASTICALLY take out bass and turn up the gains on my subs. A little annoying and inconvenient on the fly. I’m only masking the problem though. I agree with everything you said. Some kind of limiter/dsp/EQ in channel three would be... perfect. It’s heartbreaking because the tweeters in the s1 can really sing and achieve great volumes but the port noise is just... ugh. It’s holding the tweeters back. Can Bose make the S1 compatible with Bose Connect and incorporate an EQ/EQ profiles that way? 

Listen to Camila Cabello - OMG. Alotttt of port noise before clipping light. It was embarrassing. 

It’s not all negative though. When listening at normal volumes (LOL) I really do enjoy the deep resonating bass the s1 gives. 

From the iPad there is an EQ but  according to Apple and specially me it is very subtle indeed and basically not very effective. It would’ve been a very simple process propose to have a base control on third channel as it does on channel one and two .  And I doubt it would cost very much to do it. I’m surprised that Bose  could not foresee this problem and rectified it before it occurred. Shame that.

Apart from that, S1 seems to do the job very well

I really like the ability to have a little speaker with a battery that works anywhere. I even used it in the back  of the car which sounded fine. 

My setup.

I use mp3 backing tracks and play my guitar (Godin A6 Ultra) through the S1 Pro at small gigs. No guitar processor at this time. I use both the piezo and humbucker and blend with the guitar controls.

I use Anytune Pro+ and a IK blueboard bluetooth pedal.

As stated  the bass is often too loud when pushing the volume.

My current approach is this.

Anytune pro+ has an extensive Equalizer Filter capability.

I eq the song within Anytune to cut the bass down a bit. 

I'm experimenting with each song. Its pretty easy to figure out which ones will be the most offending. It is a song by song effort. Can be tedious.

On my battery powered Blutooth pedal (IK Blueboard) I have assigned the EQ on/off toggle to pedal 4. When the track starts if it is too bassy, i hit the eq on and it rolls off the bass a bit.

Not perfect but it seems better.  I'm going to eq up a bunch of songs and test it out in real time at a gig  I have Thursday.

Anyway, would love to hear a better approach.

Also, I'm far from an EQ expert. If anyone can suggest what frequencies to focus and which EQ method (Anytune has a bunch of them) would make this easier, I am all ears. Actually I'm about the right percentage ears but I am interested in a fix.

 

Thanks,

 

 

I love the S1's!  I *do* note some tracks distorting.  I am sure they can fix this with a firmware update and not making the speaker sound less powerful.  Perhaps it is a certain frequency that needs to be turned down?  Don't cripple the speaker Bose, just fix the issue.

To the best of my knowledge, there are *No* apps for iPad that will EQ for across the board. The EQs you see in the app store are actual players and you have to use their app to use the EQ. Won't work for me.  I use DJAY Pro for iPad. Pro DJ program.  I can eq each deck but not the Master.   This also applies for the EQ built into the iPad settings, that EQ only works for the MUSIC app built into the iPad.

 

WirelessDJ

I wish the S1's had auto re- pairing when turning them back on

mrgeeze posted:

My setup.

I use mp3 backing tracks and play my guitar (Godin A6 Ultra) through the S1 Pro at small gigs. No guitar processor at this time. I use both the piezo and humbucker and blend with the guitar controls.

 

 

@mrgeeze Interesting to read your post. I use a Godin A6 Ultra too the same way that you've mentioned ... and I can't figure out how to fix the boom on the bass. My favourite store (Long & McQuade in Canada) keep telling me that my guitar is fine. But I just don't like the boomy bass that comes off the low-E string.

To make it work, I turn down all the bass controls on the guitar and any mixer that I may go through.

Recently a friend asked me to join him for a jam session and plugged my Godin into his mixer. It was basically un-listenable. We had to futz around and tweak all sorts of things before it was playable.

My other guitar is a Takamine P1JC-12. Never had an issue. I use the identical settings and have never had this problem.

This is the only thing that I'm not happy with on my Godin A6.

When I had a Mackie SRM-150 (practice amp) the Godin sounded just awful. With the S1, I keep all the settings flat and turn down the bass controls on my guitar to zero. With the T1 it's easier to tweak settings. The thing is that I do have to tweak settings.

I believe that the problem is with Godin's pickups/pre-amp. Their website tells customers to refer all issues to the retail sellers - I really would love to have a chat with an engineer at Godin.

Sorry if I rambled on too long ... if you figure this issue out, please do post your findings here.

Thanks.

DJ Postie posted:

wow yes bass distortion on chan 3 - horrible

there should be a sep bass-treble on chan 3

what is it with aux-BT channels in audio distortions - technology should of caught up with this problem a while ago

"Should" is a funny kind of word. In fact, its kept me employed as a software developer for 30+ years.

"Horrible" may be a bit much.  Remain calm. The distortion is not there always. Heavy bass is normally the culprit. 

Admittedly a bass treble controls would be good. 

Not sure whether this is a common bt problem or merely something particular to S1 tweaking. There's a lot of logic in maximizing performance that leads to some problems at the edges. We the user base have clearly identified one. Perhaps a software patch could improve on it.

As I see it now, either eq it within your app or turn it down.

All in all the S1 Pro is a pretty capable device for its size. I'm happy to have one.

 

 

troubador posted:
mrgeeze posted:

My setup.

I use mp3 backing tracks and play my guitar (Godin A6 Ultra) through the S1 Pro at small gigs. No guitar processor at this time. I use both the piezo and humbucker and blend with the guitar controls.

 

 

@mrgeeze Interesting to read your post. I use a Godin A6 Ultra too the same way that you've mentioned ... and I can't figure out how to fix the boom on the bass. My favourite store (Long & McQuade in Canada) keep telling me that my guitar is fine. But I just don't like the boomy bass that comes off the low-E string.

To make it work, I turn down all the bass controls on the guitar and any mixer that I may go through.

Recently a friend asked me to join him for a jam session and plugged my Godin into his mixer. It was basically un-listenable. We had to futz around and tweak all sorts of things before it was playable.

My other guitar is a Takamine P1JC-12. Never had an issue. I use the identical settings and have never had this problem.

This is the only thing that I'm not happy with on my Godin A6.

When I had a Mackie SRM-150 (practice amp) the Godin sounded just awful. With the S1, I keep all the settings flat and turn down the bass controls on my guitar to zero. With the T1 it's easier to tweak settings. The thing is that I do have to tweak settings.

I believe that the problem is with Godin's pickups/pre-amp. Their website tells customers to refer all issues to the retail sellers - I really would love to have a chat with an engineer at Godin.

Sorry if I rambled on too long ... if you figure this issue out, please do post your findings here.

Thanks.

The A6 ultra is a bit temperamental. I'm familiar with the booming bass. Here's how i set it up. I am mostly looking for a decent clean jazz style tone without a too trebely high E string and not too boomy bass from Low E.

I don't use any pedals.

For me its all about blending the 2 pickups to get the tone.Make sure you have a good 9 volt in the A6. You need the piezo pickup active.

Plug your cable into the hole that provides both pickups out.

The S1 pro is at detent for volume with bass & treble off. No more output volume than that. I use a little reverb.

For the humbucker I turn the treble and bass pots all the way down.The piezo is bass down,mid and treble up a little bit. You may tweak a little from this but start with this as a baseline.

For a jazzier sound I blend zero or very little piezo and use the humbucker straight. You may have to add a little treble but not much. For a more acoustic sound I blend more piezo. I don't think I ever go higher than halfway with the piezo. So far I have never used the piezo alone

I often adjust the blend during a song. Truth is, I'm constantly on the tone knob anyway even playing an Tele through a Vibrolux.  The A6 just has a lot controls to fiddle with. I guess with great power comes great responsibility.

With this setup my sound isn't perfect but its good.  I've only used the A6 at a couple of gigs. I'll dial it in a little better over time. I do notice when the battery dies the sound goes to poop.  It is SO nice to carry the whole setup (A6, S1pro,small bag) in one  trip from the car to the stage.

You can only play so loud before you will get the booming. You just have to work within the capabilities of the rig.  For my music in a small club it works fine. If you need more gas you might need a bigger rig or a separate amp. With a tele or PRS I use a gt-1 and a roland street cube ex . I play the backing tracks via bluetooth to the S1 Pro. Equalizing inside the track player (Anytune) really seems to help.  I can get a lot bigger (louder too) sound with 2 amps  but its humping a lot more gear.

Sorry about all the verbiage. Hope this helps

ST,

 

Just bought the S1 and it`s a cool speaker.

But it`s not cool that the speaker with bluetooth on CH3 will deform on the low`s for more then 50% of the pop songs with a little bass, this when spotify with the S1 at 50% volume.

 

Will there be an firmware update to change something if posible, then the speaker would be really great, now its a bit of a disappointment when turning the volume up.

 

Dont have examplesof songs, but i think when you turn the volume up you should notice..

 

Hi, mrgeeze,

mrgeeze posted:

Perhaps this might be another thread.

I was looking at the L1 Compact Wireless and wondering whether the Bluetooth channel on this rig has the same problem with the booming bass?

If so, I think Bose needs to find us some relief 

 

Just my $.02

The L1 Compact doesn't have a built-in Bluetooth channel, but you can get the L1 Compact bundled with the Bose SoundTouch Wireless Link Adapter.  You can connect that to L1 Compact channel two through the 1/8" stereo input.

The L1 Compact has deeper bass capability than the S1 Pro system. It responds better to booming bass.

ST

Hi, veteq,

veteq posted:

ST,

Just bought the S1 and it`s a cool speaker.

I'm glad you like it, and thanks for taking the time to tell us how you feel.

But it`s not cool that the speaker with bluetooth on CH3 will deform on the low`s for more then 50% of the pop songs with a little bass, this when spotify with the S1 at 50% volume.

Yes, you're hitting the maximum volume (bass) the S1 Pro system can handle for these tracks. We've had another conversation here that may interest you. Bass over excursion or port noise - Turn Down For What?

Will there be an firmware update to change something if posible, then the speaker would be really great, now its a bit of a disappointment when turning the volume up.

I understand. We tested the S1 Pro system with a wide range of applications including live music, music playback with various styles of music, public speaking, and more. We tuned the bass response for the best overall performance for the widest number of people.  We continue to listen to customer comments here and through all channels. We know that most of our customers are extremely happy with the sound of the S1 Pro system.    

We have explored ways to change the response in the low frequencies. We found making the S1 Pro system more tolerant of heavy bass diminishes the overall performance in other ways.  We don't have plans to change the sound profile of the S1 Pro system through a firmware update.

Dont have examplesof songs, but i think when you turn the volume up you should notice..

If you need more overall volume for music playback you need a bigger enclosure. The L1 Compact and the larger L1 systems may be a better choice.

ST

 

We have explored ways to change the response in the low frequencies. We found making the S1 Pro system more tolerant of heavy bass diminishes the overall performance in other ways.  We don't have plans to change the sound profile of the S1 Pro system through a firmware update.

I’m now at ease to finally read some closure on this topic. I thank you guys for at least doing some testing. Maybe on the next model there can be an outdoor mode switch of some kind, a low end frequency cut or even a “top end” switch like an 812

ST posted:

Yes, you're hitting the maximum volume (bass) the S1 Pro system can handle for these tracks. We've had another conversation here that may interest you. Bass over excursion or port noise - Turn Down For What?

If you need more overall volume for music playback you need a bigger enclosure. The L1 Compact and the larger L1 systems may be a better choice.

ST

You are right, it`s just the maximum of the speaker, what we also found is the quality of the bluetooth streaming i very important. If you use the S1 bluetooth channel, and the quality of the stream is low, the bass will deform easy. If the stream quality is high, deformation will occur at a lot higher volumes. Overal the speaker is great for outdoors and sound a lot better compared to all JBL/soundboks portables... Very clear and relaxed type of sound.

To fix all this, i just bought an B1 sub with A1 packlite (and a rolls sx21), that is a great solution for outdoors party music with a couple of friends..!!

@jdbassentertainment.com , as you know, there are higher and lower quality recordings of an original source. A source that was originally recorded at levels that were distorting, would also distort during playback. Compression during recording will cause dynamic distortion, if used too much. For example, if I had an older Samsung Galaxy S2 recording the same live performance at the same time, distance, location an height as my current LG G6 the sound quality and video quality would be superior. The audio spectrum analyzer that @ST displayed showed the YouTube audio at acceptable levels on the peaks of the low note. I hope this helps. A graphic EQ in the Bose Connect app would be nice. Something similar to a Boss GE 7 would help, if the recorded source was not distorted.

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