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Bose S1 Pro

Bose S1 Pro 

Designed for musicians, DJs and general PA use, the S1 Pro is the ultimate all-in-one PA, floor monitor and practice amplifier that's ready to be your go-anywhere Bluetooth music system for nearly any occasion. 

This is the place to discuss the S1 Pro.

S1 Pro and low frequencies

I would love to see some sort of Digital Signal Processing added to at least Channel 3 with the Aux and Bluetooth. If the S1 cannot handle low-frequency content at higher volumes, I have absolutely no problem with my music being processed to avoid the port noise and aim towards pure loudness. As a bass lover, I even think the S1 can be too bassy even when I use channels 1 or 2 to turn the bass down! It's annoying when I'm teaching my fitness classes and I have to worry whether or not the next song is going to distort.

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Hi jbarner20,

Thank you for joining the Bose Pro Portable PA Community.

What is your sound source? Does it have any tone controls?

What position do you have your S1 Pro in?

Tilt-back, horizontal, on a flat surface, or on a speaker stand?

Please let us know.

Thanks,

ST

If I could chime in here, this was what I was talking about in my "turn down for what" thread... if you have a playlist with different types of music including some with lots of low end, the S1 Pro will go from sounding good on one song to bad on the next... I feel this is a serious enough issue to be addressed be Bose soon... Just say you have a playlist and it's turned up pretty loud (about "volume 8") ... but not yet hitting reds on the signal light...  and the playlist looks like: Thunderstruck, Party Rock Anthem, Get Low, Time To Boom (my song)... The S1 Pro will start off the playlist sounding great and once the playlist hits song # 3 the quality of the sound would suffer greatly and by the time the 4th song it might sound even worse.

*The user should not have to change the source Eq to enjoy a simple playlist played back on the  S1 Pro.

If Bose doesn't fix this issue I could see it resulting in many unsatisfied customers in the future. 

jdbassentertainment.com posted:

If I could chime in here, this was what I was talking about in my "turn down for what" thread... if you have a playlist with different types of music including some with lots of low end, the S1 Pro will go from sounding good on one song to bad on the next... I feel this is a serious enough issue to be addressed be Bose soon... Just say you have a playlist and it's turned up pretty loud (about "volume 8") ... but not yet hitting reds on the signal light...  and the playlist looks like: Thunderstruck, Party Rock Anthem, Get Low, Time To Boom (my song)... The S1 Pro will start off the playlist sounding great and once the playlist hits song # 3 the quality of the sound would suffer greatly and by the time the 4th song it might sound even worse.

*The user should not have to change the source Eq to enjoy a simple playlist played back on the  S1 Pro.

If Bose doesn't fix this issue I could see it resulting in many unsatisfied customers in the future. 

Yes, I read your turn down for what thread! I'm glad someone started it and is experiencing the same issues as me! I felt it was more appropriate to put my DSP suggestion the feature request though. I experience the same problem with my class playlist, I always have to listen for distortion and glance over at the clip light and adjust volume accordingly. When I do hear the distortion on some tracks I honestly don't feel like the volume is even loud, it makes me sad inside. Again, I really don't mind having low frequencies cut out completely if that fixes the distortion problem with listening to the music at realistic volumes. I love the S1's sound signature, it just bums me out that in the opportunities I get to jam out with it, I have the distortion problem in the back of my mind.  

ST posted:

Hi jbarner20,

Thank you for joining the Bose Pro Portable PA Community.

What is your sound source? Does it have any tone controls?

What position do you have your S1 Pro in?

Tilt-back, horizontal, on a flat surface, or on a speaker stand?

Please let us know.

Thanks,

ST

First off, I'm sorry if I accidentally have been notifying you that I liked your comment over and over, the like and reply links seem to be messed up on mobile Safari hahaha!

Thank you for having me I'm glad forums like this exists!

My sound source is my iPhone 7 plus using Spotify. Spotify does have EQ options to lower bass for example and even a "volume normalization" option but that doesn't help the problem, just makes all the music the same relative volume. Changing the Spotify EQ during my classes does make sense, yes, but it's a small hassle since I do use Spotify during my workouts with Bluetooth headphones and during my car rides where those bass frequencies have never been an issue. It's also never been an issue for me since all Bluetooth mobile speakers and headphones I currently own and have in the past all included the Digital Signal Processing. I feel like at the S1's $700 price point and it being advertised to DJs as well, I shouldn't feel like I'm being punished or restricted for the type of music I chose to play through the S1 when the Processing can fix it. 

I use my S1 in all the orientations but for my class, I do use it on a tripod. I started with tabletop but I said if I'm going to be faced with distortion I might as well get better projection haha. In other situations, I try to use the tilted back mode for less bass response but lose projection so its give and take.

jdbassentertainment.com posted:

If this wasn’t a Bose product I wouldn’t mind too much, but I hold Bose to a higher standard. Especially at this price point.

Exactly, when the S1 was announced I saw it as a monster Bluetooth speaker to trump all Bluetooth speakers. That’s what attracted me the most. It’s just missing that one thing all Bluetooth speakers have, DSP. Don’t get me wrong, I love it to death but jamming out isn’t quite an option.

Hi jbarner20,

Thanks for all the great information.

jbarner20 posted:
ST posted:

Hi jbarner20,

Thank you for joining the Bose Pro Portable PA Community.

What is your sound source? Does it have any tone controls?

What position do you have your S1 Pro in?

Tilt-back, horizontal, on a flat surface, or on a speaker stand?

Please let us know.

Thanks,

ST

First off, I'm sorry if I accidentally have been notifying you that I liked your comment over and over, the like and reply links seem to be messed up on mobile Safari hahaha!

It only happened once at my end, and it was nice to get the positive feedback.



Thank you for having me I'm glad forums like this exists!

My sound source is my iPhone 7 plus using Spotify.

I'd like to try to hear what you are hearing. Can you give me the names of three songs where you hear the problem?

Spotify does have EQ options to lower bass for example and even a "volume normalization" option but that doesn't help the problem, just makes all the music the same relative volume.

Wouldn't signal processing to remove some bass have a similar effect?



Changing the Spotify EQ during my classes does make sense, yes, but it's a small hassle

How big are your classes? (number of people, size of the room). What kind of fitness classes are these?   I'm trying to understand the setting.

since I do use Spotify during my workouts with Bluetooth headphones and during my car rides where those bass frequencies have never been an issue. It's also never been an issue for me since all Bluetooth mobile speakers and headphones I currently own and have in the past all included the Digital Signal Processing.

Please say more about what you'd want the Digital Signal Processing to do? 



I feel like at the S1's $700 price point and it being advertised to DJs as well, I shouldn't feel like I'm being punished or restricted for the type of music I chose to play through the S1 when the Processing can fix it. 

I use my S1 in all the orientations but for my class, I do use it on a tripod. I started with tabletop but I said if I'm going to be faced with distortion I might as well get better projection haha. In other situations, I try to use the tilted back mode for less bass response but lose projection so its give and take.

Try placing the S1 Pro on an a small flat surface in the horizontal position and tell us what you hear.

Thanks,

ST

ST posted:

Hi jbarner20,

Thanks for all the great information.

jbarner20 posted:
ST posted:

Hi jbarner20,

Thank you for joining the Bose Pro Portable PA Community.

What is your sound source? Does it have any tone controls?

What position do you have your S1 Pro in?

Tilt-back, horizontal, on a flat surface, or on a speaker stand?

Please let us know.

Thanks,

ST

First off, I'm sorry if I accidentally have been notifying you that I liked your comment over and over, the like and reply links seem to be messed up on mobile Safari hahaha!

It only happened once at my end, and it was nice to get the positive feedback.



Thank you for having me I'm glad forums like this exists!

My sound source is my iPhone 7 plus using Spotify.

I'd like to try to hear what you are hearing. Can you give me the names of three songs where you hear the problem?

 

Spotify does have EQ options to lower bass for example and even a "volume normalization" option but that doesn't help the problem, just makes all the music the same relative volume.

Wouldn't signal processing to remove some bass have a similar effect?



Changing the Spotify EQ during my classes does make sense, yes, but it's a small hassle

How big are your classes? (number of people, size of the room). What kind of fitness classes are these?   I'm trying to understand the setting.

since I do use Spotify during my workouts with Bluetooth headphones and during my car rides where those bass frequencies have never been an issue. It's also never been an issue for me since all Bluetooth mobile speakers and headphones I currently own and have in the past all included the Digital Signal Processing.

Please say more about what you'd want the Digital Signal Processing to do? 



I feel like at the S1's $700 price point and it being advertised to DJs as well, I shouldn't feel like I'm being punished or restricted for the type of music I chose to play through the S1 when the Processing can fix it. 

I use my S1 in all the orientations but for my class, I do use it on a tripod. I started with tabletop but I said if I'm going to be faced with distortion I might as well get better projection haha. In other situations, I try to use the tilted back mode for less bass response but lose projection so its give and take.

Try placing the S1 Pro on an a small flat surface in the horizontal position and tell us what you hear.

Thanks,

ST

Forgive me I can’t figure out how to quote certain sections of your responses 😂 I’m new!

Three example songs for quick distortion are:

Karol G. - Pineapple

Zacari - Redemption

Calvin Harris - Nuh Ready Nuh Ready

Songs that I thought sounded excellent and got reasonable great volume with with no distortion are for example:

Alma - Good Vibes

Alma - Dance For Me

Whethan - Love Gang

From personal experience of other devices I do and have owned, signal processing wouldn’t nessessarily remove bass, but throttle it back and increase only mid and high frequencies to be able to achieve higher volumes with very little to no distortion in an all in one system. It can result to a weird compression sounding mix but hey, at least we’re safe. I’ve noticed the S1 has a thin line between sounding perfect to a questionable rumble (port noise) then to a just straight up noticeable distortion within notches of volume increase. I would like the processing to throttle/limit the bass back at higher volumes to avoid ever having to hear the port noise/distortion. 

I wish I knew the exact size in feet of the rooms I teach, I could get back to you on that in the future. The classrooms could teach 25-30 people in an organized form. I only utilize 1/3 of the room and teach 7-9 people at a time. I place the s1 in a corner and aim it to cover only that 1/3. I teach TRX and Kettlebell.

I’ll give listening to music in monitor mode at high volumes a go when I’m not in my apartment 😂. For reference though I do know tilted back modes EQ lowers bass. I’m able to achieve maybe a notch more of volume before hearing port noise/distortion but I lose the straight forward projection. 

jdbassentertainment.com posted:

Here’s three songs all with bass distortion before the signal lights go red at all. 

Iggy Azalea- Work

Ester Dean- Drop it Low

Flo Rida- Low

All radio hits that might be requested at an event.

 

I forgot to mention the clipping before red flashing clipping issue too. 👍🏽

Thanks for all the information.

jbarner20,

Can you post a video of what you're experiencing? You don't have to use YouTube. You can add a video to a post here (up to 100 megabytes, as an attachment.

ST

ST posted:

Thanks for all the information.

jbarne20,

Can you post a video of what you're experiencing? You don't have to use YouTube. You can add a video to a post here (up to 100 megabytes, as an attachment.

ST

I won’t be able to make videos for a couple days but they’re identical to the turn down for what thread

These first two videos are played at the exact same volume. It shows that you’ll hear port noise/distortion on certain songs without even a clipping warning. Songs were played through Spotify with no special EQing. Phone volume is at max. I can’t even get to a blinking red clip without sounding extremely unpleasant. 
 
First video is a good example. Alma - Good Vibes
Second video is the bad example. Karol g - Pineapple
 

This third video is just another example of really bad port noise/distortion. Again, with no clip warnings. Zacari - Redemption

 

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Hi jbarner20,

I know you've told me most of this in bits 'n pieces but let's get this all in one place.  I've filled in what I could from the discussion. Please confirm or correct - note - I need to know #2

  1. Phone type: iPhone 7
  2. Phone Level
  3. Source: Spotify
  4. Tracks:
    • Karol G. - Pineapple

    • Zacari - Redemption

    • Calvin Harris - Nuh Ready Nuh Ready

  5. What S1 Pro Channel is being used:
    1. Channel 3, Bluetooth
    2. If Channel 1/2 please describe where the following is set
      • REV
      • BASS
      • TREBLE
      • TONEAMATCH)
  6. Where is the Channel level set on S1 Pro: just under 12:00 o'clock

 

We need all this information in order to properly trouble shoot.

Thanks,

ST

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