Preset 58 (3.0) On The Classics - Can't Get It To Take

Mike_Z @ BOSE Has anyone there @ BOSE physically personally tried updating a Classic with that 3.0 download?

I've tried personally updating a half dozen Classic machines and not one takes it. It starts out flashing green, finishes flashing red...every time.

I've updated dozens of Classics to Preset 2.0 and added 57, no problems. Updated several Classics to the field trial 58/59, no problems. Updated several Model 1s with 3.0, no problems.

What am I doing wrong?
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Originally posted by Cap Capello:
Mike_Z @ BOSE Has anyone there @ BOSE physically personally tried updating a Classic with that 3.0 download?

I've tried personally updating a half dozen Classic machines and not one takes it. It starts out flashing green, finishes flashing red...every time.

I've updated dozens of Classics to Preset 2.0 and added 57, no problems. Updated several Classics to the field trial 58/59, no problems. Updated several Model 1s with 3.0, no problems.

What am I doing wrong?


Certainly - we have done that here with that same file of the web.

If you flash green and then finish flashing red it indicates a bad bit and the PS1 refuses the update. This usually points to a bad cable or flaky connection.

Im assuming you are using the exact same setup you have in the past? Try doing one of the older updates as a test...like the single 58 update or even back updating to presets 2.0. Are you using a shielded digital quality RCA cable?

Mike
MikeZ-at-Bose: The same DVD player, the same cable, everything the same for every update.

What I have not done however, is download the version off the net. The one I'm using came from Bose engineering (one version via email in a .wav file followed by the same one on a CD).

While the Version 3.0 seems to resist my feeble attempts, the field trial of preset 58/59 never fails to update a Classic, all with the same DVD player, coax out, composite video cable.

I'll download the version off the net and see what happens. Thanks for the info.
Guys, I am as anxious as you, having a hundred clients also swingin'.

I just need to find out why I can't get 3.0 updated into a Classic. Once I get my bugs ironed out, we shall rejoice together.

Anyone else with the Classic update to 3.0 ? How'd it go for you?
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Originally posted by Cap Capello:
Mike: Haven't had a Classic come by to try the file downloaded from the Wikiup.

Oh, Cheesh, I should just try to update one of my own even though I already have 58/59 installed. Doh!


:-) Give it a try - the preset is the same and you'll just get the additional instrument presets that you wont use. 59, the Beta version, which is half-dose of 58 is not on 3.0. You can always revert back to your current presets.

There is no danger of somehow 'corrupting' your system during a model I preset update. It may be hard to set up and get working, but once you have the L1 Classic update going its bombproof.

MikeZ
Any updates on this? I have tried repeatedly to update my Classic to the 3.0 presets with the same result - initially a fast flashing Green light, then a slow flashing Red light.
MikeZ - did I read correctly that you have successfully updated a Classic system to the version 3.0 presets? If so, did you simply follow the instructions provided with the download? (i.e. - burn the audio file, connect system from coax out to digital in, power up system, press play on DVD player, wait until update completes)
Thanks for any help.
Dave : What kind/type/style cable did you uncsuccessfully use first, then what kind/type/style cable did work?

I've tried to update another Classic using the newer version 3.0 off the web site and got the blinking red again. Sigh!

I've changed cables, DVD players, made sure there were no settings on the DVD player selected (like Progressive Scan, 5.1, Dolby, etc etc etc) and still the blinking red.
Hi Cap,

I went to the "Shack" and bought an upgraded rca out to whatever the PS accepts, I can't remember right now. It WAS the cable. I didn't get the RED, WHITE and YELLOW cable, I just picked up a single cable. Wish I could remember more, but I can't.
Did you try a different DVD player? Mine finally took with the combination of the neighbors DVD and the new cable.....HEY...maybe it was both?!

Dave
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Originally posted by artintoledo:

MikeZ - did I read correctly that you have successfully updated a Classic system to the version 3.0 presets? If so, did you simply follow the instructions provided with the download? (i.e. - burn the audio file, connect system from coax out to digital in, power up system, press play on DVD player, wait until update completes)
Thanks for any help.


Yes - certainly have done that here no problem.
Hi All,

I just pulled together some notes from the Presets 2.0 update. Maybe this will help.

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Originally posted by Kyle-at-Bose:
Hi Greg/Jerry. Some random things to consider when upgrading your system by the download-burn CD method.

  • Burn the downloaded file as a "audio" CD, not a "data" CD
  • Make sure that your burn software has all processing disabled. Some software applies normalization. Check the options to make sure that this is OFF.
  • When you burn the CD, I actually prefer to burn 3 tracks of the same file in a row. So, in other words, tracks 1, 2, and 3 would be the same file.
  • On your DVD player you MUST TURN OFF ALL DSP PROCESSING like dynamic range compression, 3D effects, speaker size selection
  • If you are using a portable DVD player with a volume control, make sure that the volume control is at MAX.
  • On your DVD player, try BITSTREAM MODE first. If that doesn't work, we've seen PCM MODE work also.
  • When flashing the PS1 using the DVD player, it's sometimes good to start with the DVD player at STOP. Turn the PS1 off, then back on. Next, press play on the DVD player to start the upgrade process. Be patient, it sometimes takes 10 seconds or so to start the blinking.

    I hope these suggestions help!


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    Originally posted by acappella: (minor edit by ST to substitute current file name)

    Windows Media Player 10 DOES WORK. You just have to turn off compression/normalization, which defaults to On.

    Instructions if you have Windows XP and Windows Media Player 10.
    1. Open the folder containing the un-zipped WAV files, right-click on the firmware1p85.WAV L1_model_1_Presets_3.0_Patch.wav file, and choose "Add to Burn List"
    2. Windows Media Player should appear. Select the "Burn" tab, and make sure only the one WAV file is listed on the left.
    3. VERY IMPORTANT: Click on the little red check-mark near the upper-right corner of the Media Player window (just above the CD drive selection box). Click on the "Quality" tab, and un-check the box labelled "Apply volume leveling to music when it is burned." Click OK.
    4. Insert a blank CD, and click the "Start Burn" button in Windows Media Player. Your update CD should be ready in a few seconds.


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    Originally posted by Kyle-at-Bose:
    Hi Dewey,
    Nero should work just fine. It's my burn-application of choice. Make sure that you burn as an AUDIO CD not as a DATA CD. That may have been the problem. Simply select AUDIO CD and drag and drop into Nero. (This is for other owners with similar questions).
    It sounds like WMP worked fine for you though. Smile

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    Originally posted by Dewey:
    Downloaded the updates, burned to CD using Nero which is my standard drag and drop. CD's would not work. Finally used Windows Media Player (Version 10) burned new CD's and everything worked fine. Apparently Nero wouldn't or didn't convert the .wav files to MP3.


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    OK - I've:
    - made sure I burned an audio CD (I used Nero, so I will now try using Windows Media Player)
    - used a HOSA Coax cable to connect DVD player to system
    - followed the instructions (turned off all options on the DVD player - don't have a bitstream option)
    and I still get a blinking red light.
    The only thing I have yet to try is a new DVD player (currently using a Magnavox with Coax Out), so I am hoping that will be the missing piece.
    I'll keep trying and post back if I find what works.
    SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I went to WalMart and bought a Phillips DVD player (model# DVP3960 - it was on sale for 39.99). I used the same CD and cable and IT WORKED!! - beautiful green light!!!

    (BTW - I am now taking the DVD player back, just don't tell Wal-Mart I used it once for 35 seconds!! - oops, almost forgot to take the CD out of the player!!!)
    Thanks artintoledo for the DVD player advice. I also was successful with the Phillips DVD player (model# DVP3960) and used a single coax cable (not sure of the brand though).

    Preset 58 sounds so much fuller and can't wait to try it out on the 19th for a Volunteer Fire Department Awards banquet for 300 people in a very large hall. I've been using the classic L1's since March 06 and haven't been disappointed once - they are unbelievable!

    Dj Dave R
    Alexandria, VA
    I used my PS1 that had 58 installed last night and I LIKE IT! Now I'm even more determined to get that troublesome update onto my 2nd PS1. I have no idea why one should take it and the other doesn't, when the DVD player, settings, lead and disc are all identical, but I'll keep trying different combinations until I either get totally hacked off and give up in disgust, or succeed. I hope it's the latter.

    Oh for a USB update option on the L1 Classic... Roll Eyes
    After watching these Boards since Preset 58 was announced as available I have been following the threads to see what the feedback would be and to adopt a wait and see approach before attempting to load the update to my Classics. Unlike others, I have never experienced a lack of bass in any way (could be the massive damage to my eardrums over the many years of exposure to LOUD music...lol), do not use any of the presets and never to date had a complaint.

    Anyway, I decided today to give it a go, first attempt failure, second attempt on different DVD player SUCCESS on first PS1, second PS1 also SUCCESSFUL - testing in the confines of my home displays noticeable difference, unfortunately will need to wait until my next booking to really test it and try it at high volume.

    Whilst I did not experience any difficulty in loading the preset, I can understand the frustration that can ensue if every option you try does not work - If this happens, I think you should take a break, come back to it and try again - persistence will ultimately prevail.

    Richard - In my conversations with you, I didn't think you were the sort of person to "give up in disgust" there has to be a logical reason.

    By the way I just used my el cheapo LG Combo DVD/VCR player & standard RCA lead. Using my Expensive DVD Burner/Player with internal hard drive was unsuccessful.
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    Originally posted by Serge - DJ:Plus! Mobile Entertainment:
    Richard - In my conversations with you, I didn't think you were the sort of person to "give up in disgust" there has to be a logical reason.

    Oh don't worry- I'm not a quitter, but I do wonder why one PS1 took the update and one refuses steadfastly to take it. Most frustrating, but I'll persevere. I'm stubborn!
    MikeZ_at_Bose : Nope. 3.0 will not go into my Classics. All four readily accepted Kyle Sullivan's Field Trial Beta 58/59 without hesitation.

    Sure hope Engineering can come up with something to help these good folks out who have all these update issues.

    As tempermental as this procedure is, I hope it was given a good feminine name like, Tempest, or, Storm,, or, Mariah, or, Matilda.
    I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here. If preset 58 was supposed to be factory installed on the new Model 1s and it wasn't, where's the guarantee that all blue collared Model Classics came with with Ver 2.0 / Preset 57 Update on them?

    Probably the best way to insure a Classic has Ver 2.0 (other than visually) installed is to plug it, run a signal, and listen. If there's no instantly recognizable difference between 00 and 57 regardless of collar color, download and install Ver 2.0 / Preset 57, then try 3.0 again.

    Just an educated opinion and suggestion, Dr. House style.
    Just thought I would mention the problem that I'm having. I can't event get my download to happen. No blinking light at all. My system is an L-1 model 1. Tried 4 different DVD players, threee different cables, burned the disc 4 times with 2 different programs, even had Cap send me his file via email and nothing. Cap will be sending me his actual CD and will start a process of elimination. Just thought I would share my horror story and to see if anyone is having such an issue.
    Have to be honest, I couldn't get the update to load from any of my decent dvd players loaded with all the whistles and bells on ....
    i eventually dug out the dvd player the kids have in their room,a cheap 19.99 asda special ( or walmart or whatever its called from over the pond) and the updates loaded immediately.

    Been using 58 for so long I really can't remember what 00 and 57 sound like LOL

    Good Luck in updating
    One thing I needed to check (but it still didn't help) was on a higher end DVD player, sometimes one might need to get into the DVD on-screen setup menu and PHYSICALLY select COAXIAL audio output from the various selections (Analogue, coaxial, and/or optical) while disabling all other sound enhancements (e.g. surround sound, 5.1, Dolby, etc etc etc)

    That may be why some of the cheaper DVD models work more smoothly as the audio output is via all three as a constant.

    Just another possible variable to consider.
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    Originally posted by Serge - DJ:Plus! Mobile Entertainment:
    Richard - In my conversations with you, I didn't think you were the sort of person to "give up in disgust" there has to be a logical reason.

    Well done Serge- you encouraged me to persevere beyond what was reasonable. LOL. On the bright side, I have had success (with my 2nd PS1) possibly, although I need to do an audition to confirm it.

    Nick, why don't you give it a try and tell US if it will work? LOL

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