L1 Model II

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Using proprietary Bose® technology, L1 systems combine  PA and monitors into a single, highly portable unit. The  loudspeaker can be positioned behind or to the side —and you hear what the audience hears.

Highly portable PA and monitor combined for solo performers, DJs and general-purpose use. Fixed vertical control with 180° horizontal coverage Reduced vulnerability to feedback.

Three systems to choose from (Compact, Model 1S, Model II)
Two passive bass module options (B1 or B2)
Consistent coverage and tonal balance, portability and easy setup.

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Originally posted by The Last DJ:
Mike Z at Bose

Is preset 58 ready now?

Can we use it on the model 1?

What is the difference between 57 and 58?

How do we get it?

Thanks,

Curt


Curt,

Preset 58 now exists as an official preset.

Preset 58 is going to be in the new set of presets that will be shipped with the updated L1(tm) model I system...in preset slot #58 :-)

It will also be in the T1(tm) as 'High Volume Music'.

For current owner's, in the past we have posted some new presets and how to get them on the website. I will be able to say for sure very soon how to get the preset onto your L1(tm) Classic system.

Preset 57 is optimized for low volume music. The low bass is boosted to better match the physics/psychoacoustics of our own auditory system.

Preset 58 is optimized for higher volume music. Some of the bass is boosted and some of the upper mids are reduced to have a more natural sound at these higher volumes.

Thank you for your patience,
MikeZ
This brings up an interesting question - so basically, if you decided to purchase the Model II system and use it for DJing - you would have no choice but to also purchase the T1 since that is the only way you are going to get some of the settings needed to maximize the L1's? It's my understanding that without these presets - DJ's just won't have what they need....so the model II's would be useless without the T1?

If that is the case - do you need a T1 for each L1 Model II? AS A DJ I would be purchasing 2 L1 Model II's - so if I wanted to use the "High Volume Preset 58" would I need 2 T1's - one for each L1?

This might have been addressed in a post on here, but I haven't found it yet...or maybe I did and just missed it....there's os much going on here....

Thanks,

Kristin
Understand what presets actually are...they're predefined EQ curves, nothing more. If you have a good ear and a good understanding of EQ, you can get the same results yourself using your own EQ.

What presets do for musicians is give them the benefit of the efforts of people who really do understand EQ and how to make music sound good, so that the musician doesn't need to. A lot of musicians don't really know beans about EQ and handing them a 1/3 octave or parametric equalizer is akin to handing a loaded weapon to someone with no training (well, not that extreme, but you get the idea...you can do a lot of damage to your sound if you don't know what you're up to).

There's nothing magical or voodoo about presets. At the October conference we were treated to the sight of Cliff creating a new preset, live and in real time. The process consisted of him tweaking a 1/3 octave graphic equalizer while talking to the musician playing the instrument. The resulting curve was saved into a file that could then be loaded into the L1.

The Model II with no T1 is going to give you flat response. What you put into it is what you'll get out of it. Which means that if you EQ properly in the first place, the sound you get out will be great...even without presets.
Kristin,

I think these are some really great questions and concerns.

The model II is 'DJ friendly' in the sense that it does not have extra stuff on it that musicians typically need, but DJ's generally dont. Those features are consolidated (and expanded upon) into the T1(tm). We found that DJ's and KJ's by and large needed more of a 'powered speaker' since they usually have some sort of front end already, like a DJ mixer.

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Originally posted by KKorpos:
This brings up an interesting question - so basically, if you decided to purchase the Model II system and use it for DJing - you would have no choice but to also purchase the T1 since that is the only way you are going to get some of the settings needed to maximize the L1's? It's my understanding that without these presets - DJ's just won't have what they need....so the model II's would be useless without the T1?


For DJ'ing we have found that DJ's typically don't use any presets - they run into Channel 3 or 4 (flat). So for the model II that's the approach we took - a single line in to be fed by whatever front end the DJ/KJ chooses.

If you want the additional options of the presets with a model II, then yes, you will need a T1. I would say this is something that each DJ/KJ will have to try and hear for themselves to decide if they can benefit from the presets. Based on what we have experienced, most will be happy with no presets - and just using the EQ available on their mixer if by chance they need it.

quote:

If that is the case - do you need a T1 for each L1 Model II? AS A DJ I would be purchasing 2 L1 Model II's - so if I wanted to use the "High Volume Preset 58" would I need 2 T1's - one for each L1?


No, you do not. You can route a separate L/R from the single T1 to two different sources. That being said, it is not super elegant since this was not a primary design intent of the T1(tm).

Hope this helps, keep the questions coming,
MikeZ
quote:
There's nothing magical or voodoo about presets. At the October conference we were treated to the sight of Cliff creating a new preset, live and in real time. The process consisted of him tweaking a 1/3 octave graphic equalizer while talking to the musician playing the instrument. The resulting curve was saved into a file that could then be loaded into the L1.



A quick sidenote...

This is true, this is exactly what presets are. BUT, the process of making those tonal decisions with all of the options of a 1/3 octave is REALLY difficult and Cliff makes it look REALLY, REALLY easy.

MikeZ
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This is true, this is exactly what presets are. BUT, the process of making those tonal decisions with all of the options of a 1/3 octave is REALLY difficult and Cliff makes it look REALLY, REALLY easy.


I sometimes think Cliff has MAGIC ears. He has tuned sound for so many venues in his career & so many speakers, & has a fantastic reputation for this. This is like having a world-renowned studio guy master your CD.

Tom
I absolutely agree. My overwhelming impression of that demonstration was that "This guy has really, REALLY good ears."

That's what I mean when I say that the presets give you access to true expertise.

Cliff is certainly expert at his job, but he's not superhuman. My basic point is that this is technology, not magic. It is possible to reproduce what Bose does without the "magic" of ToneMatch. That doesn't mean it's fall-off-a-log easy to do.

Manufacturers (and consumers) tend to focus on capabilities. How many bands of EQ? Parametric? What can the gadget do?

But the thing that's left out is expertise. Truly understanding how to use the technology is not as simple as reading the manual and playing with the knobs.
Last DJ,

We will identify a process for L1 Classic owners that wish to update to L1 model I presets in the weeks to come. Our thought is that we will offer a download via the web and also keep some CD's on hand that we can send out upon request.

Thanks for the feedback and we will update everyone with any changes.

Neil
Mike Z at Bose,

I guess I am sort of a different DJ then.

I use Ch1 and Ch2 xlr from mixer to xlr
to PS1. I like using preset 57 and even with one L1 preset 57 on ch1 and preset 00 on ch2.

I like using the trims and the remote.

Maybe I am nuts but if I didn't want all the eq
and other features of the L1 I could have just used a regular speaker sound system. To me you can dial in any place you play at with the Bose.
It is the the electronics that seperate the men from the boys. I do use a mixer but not the eq for the Bose.

A few of us have solved the bass problem with a powered subwoofer. Gyms are not a problem with
hip hop and preset 58 may exspand that.

Thank you Bose for thinking of us DJ's with preset 58.

Curt
quote:
Originally posted by The Last DJ:
Mike Z at Bose,

I guess I am sort of a different DJ then.

I use Ch1 and Ch2 xlr from mixer to xlr
to PS1. I like using preset 57 and even with one L1 preset 57 on ch1 and preset 00 on ch2.

I like using the trims and the remote.

Maybe I am nuts but if I didn't want all the eq
and other features of the L1 I could have just used a regular speaker sound system. To me you can dial in any place you play at with the Bose.
It is the the electronics that seperate the men from the boys. I do use a mixer but not the eq for the Bose.

A few of us have solved the bass problem with a powered subwoofer. Gyms are not a problem with
hip hop and preset 58 may exspand that.

Thank you Bose for thinking of us DJ's with preset 58.

Curt


Curt - Glad to see that you have found what works best for you. That's what it's all about!

No two set ups are exactly the same, nor are the performers/entertainers who use them.

MikeZ
I do not own an L1 system, but from reading other threads it was my understanding that many tweaks were necessary to achieve a desired sound. I thought that the presets were a part of this.

Having said that - with decent ears, would one be able to really achieve the sound they need/want by running lines into the Model II's straight from their mixer?

I guess in my head I am thinking that you should probably have the T1 - but then I guess if you work at your tweaks hard enough, you should be able to get what you need from your mixer? But you at Bose are true sound professionals and Preset 58 - or those preset on the T1 system are a product of that....

..and I hear that there is some other talk going on about direct USB connectivity from a computer into the T1...but then again, it's not MAC compatible....which limits the DJ to using a PC application to deliver their music...

Geeze, there's just so much going on here I don't know how I will ever make a decision onw what to buy!!! I guess with time it will all become much clearer than it is now....
Yes, you should be able to get good results straight out of your mixer. I posted somewhere on one of the many, many threads about what presets actually are...I'd point you to it if I could remember where the post was, but I can't.

A preset is nothing more or less than a predefined EQ curve, created by the experts at Bose to make a certain instrument or application (e.g., prerecorded music) sound good.

At the October user's conference we watched Cliff creating a new preset, live. All he used was a 1/3 octave graphic equalizer and his ears.

Anyone with an EQ and enough knowledge can reproduce a preset. Can you get an exact duplicate of Preset 58 with the limited EQ found on most mixers? Probably not. Can you get darned close? I see no reason why not.

Presets are often spoken of as if they're some kind of magic signal processing. That is not true as I understand it. It's just EQ.

BTW, if you have a little bit of equipment you can do a fun trick. You'll need a spectrum analyzer with a pink noise generator and a reference microphone. Hook it up to the L1 and switch it on. It'll show you the energy distribution across the spectrum. The curves are VERY interesting, mostly because they're so smooth. With that information it is (I think) theoretically possible to "reverse engineer" the preset EQ...not as if you'd ever actually need to do so. Besides...it's your ears that count.
Hi DJ Richard,

Treat it as an interesting historical document: Here is a link to the Instructions for downloading and installing the Version 2.0 presets.

We don't know that the procedure will be the same for preset 58.

As I read MikeZ's post above, preset 58 does exist, but Bose hasn't ironed out the distribution method for existing owners.
quote:

Preset 58 now exists as an official preset.

Preset 58 is going to be in the new set of presets that will be shipped with the updated L1(tm) model I system...in preset slot #58 :-)

It will also be in the T1(tm) as 'High Volume Music'.

For current owner's, in the past we have posted some new presets and how to get them on the website. I will be able to say for sure very soon how to get the preset onto your L1(tm) Classic system.

Preset 57 is optimized for low volume music. The low bass is boosted to better match the physics/psychoacoustics of our own auditory system.

Preset 58 is optimized for higher volume music. Some of the bass is boosted and some of the upper mids are reduced to have a more natural sound at these higher volumes.

Thank you for your patience,
MikeZ
DJ Richard,

I'm pretty certain that the file to which you have linked does not include any version of preset 58.



The file dates are in 2004. It looks like the same preset file that I have used to update my Powerstands. No preset 58.
I fear you're right ST.

quote:
Originally posted by Neil-at-Bose:
We will identify a process for L1 Classic owners that wish to update to L1 model I presets in the weeks to come. Our thought is that we will offer a download via the web and also keep some CD's on hand that we can send out upon request.

Thanks for the feedback and we will update everyone with any changes.

Thanks Neal. I missed that post of yours in there. Oh well. I'll keep waiting then.

Smile
Mark-at-BOSE or Cliff-at-BOSE : Are the Model 1s shipping with preset 58 installed and if yes, what is the measured db gain on the bass?

In the field trials, 58 was +6db and 59 was +3db.

Is there a way for Classic users to download a preset 58 update?
quote:
Originally posted by Cap Capello:
Mark-at-BOSE or Cliff-at-BOSE : Are the Model 1s shipping with preset 58 installed and if yes, what is the measured db gain on the bass?

In the field trials, 58 was +6db and 59 was +3db.

-Is there a way for Classic users to download a preset 58 update?


Cap,

model I's are shipping with 'preset 58'. This preset is the +6db curve that was preset 58 that Kyle made for the field testing. This preset is also on the T1(tm) as 'High Volume Music' in the DJ catgeory.

We are working on getting a downloadable update for current Classic owners. To be available very soon.

MikeZ
MikeZ-at-BOSE : May I make that preset available to other DJs who own the Classics and are outside of the field trial group?

The installation instructions are no different then when we (us pioneers) had to upgrade to Preset 2.0 from 1.0.

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