Bose F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer

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Hello, everyone. after doing some research, i pull the trigger for a purchase of a pair of F1 with sub, a T4S mixer and a set of Phenyx pro microphone. the main purpose of the system will be home karaoke focus on mainly asian music. secondly will be just to enjoy music playback. so i position the 2 speaker and sub side by side, about 6 ft apart. in front of the room facing the audiences. but i have some questions

first, i have some trouble with music playback, i can hear the sound track extremely well, clean, clear but not much of the vocal. what type of setting should i use on the t4s for strictly music play back that give good vocal and sound track? 

second, i try to watch a movie on the system, but same problem, very good clear sound effect. but the dialog get muffle out. i can barely hear the dialog of the movie. so same question, what setting should i change on the T4s for best result?

and at the same time, what type of setting should i change on the mixers for karaoke? 

thank you for your time.  

 

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Hi Tony P.

Welcome to the Bose Portable PA Community and congratulations on getting your F1 system. Please clarify: Do you have two F1 Model 812 and two F1 Subwoofer?

What are the dimensions of your room?

Is this your microphone system: Phenyx Pro Microphone

How are you connecting the T4S to the F1 systems? Like this?

(I haven't shown the connection from each F1 Model 812 to the F1 Subwoofer)

How are you connecting the music playback system to the T4S? Please tell us in detail - 

  • The music playback system
  • The cable(s) you are using
  • The inputs on the T4S



Please tell us the same information about the TV.

What ToneMatch Preset are you using for

  • The microphones
    • Try
      • Category: Vocal Mics
      • ToneMatch Preset: Handheld Mics
  • Music Playback
    • Try
      • Category: DJ Playback
      • ToneMatch Preset: Flat, zEQ  Controls
  • TV
    • Try
      • Category: DJ Playback
      • ToneMatch Preset: Flat, zEQ  Controls



Microphones:  Try this without any music playing.

Make sure each microphone channel is panned all the way to the left of the right - not up the middle.  With the F1 systems only 6 feet apart, you don't need to have the sound of every microphone coming through both loudspeakers.

Now add the music.

Does that sound better?

ST

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Hi, Howard B.

Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community.  Welcome.

Yes, there could be an issue with channel cancellation. That's why I've asked Tony P for details about the connections and microphone panning.

Cheers!

ST

Thank you everyone for the fast response. 

To ST

i have 2 f1 and 2 sub. I position the f1 on the stand above the sub.

the room is about 900 sqft. And the link you provide is the microphone that i have. 

I try to play music on youtube from my tv output with a 3.5mm jack to a 1/4 to chanel 1 of the t4s. I change the cable and the sound coming out was great. I could hear the vocal and sound track clearly. But having a little bit white noise. So i play around with the t4s by plugging the 3.5 into different output jack. One from my computer. then again lost all vocal. Only sound track remain. I try to reset the t4s back to factory setting but still no luck.

and the tone match preset im using is dj playback flat. 

I havent plug in the microphone yet. Still trying to get the music playback to work properly.

i post a reply earlier but it doesnt get to publish

thank you everyone. 

So i found this info on bose website about the phase cancellation of the t4s mixer. 

  • Check how devices are connected to the ToneMatch mixer. Stereo phase cancellation can be caused by sending 2 signals into one mono input. If the device (phone, laptop, tablet) is connected with a 3.5 mm stereo TRS to a 1/4” ‘stereo’ TRS mono input, it will not separate 2 signals properly in one connection. The result is lack of vocals, bass and many other aspects of a song. If this is the case, please provide the customer with part 353699-0010 3.5 mm stereo male to dual 1/4” mono male
 ”
But if i use the dual 1/4” mono male. Does that mean i have to connect each output to a separate channel on the t4s?
 

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Hi Tony P.

Tony P posted:

So i found this info on bose website about the phase cancellation of the t4s mixer. 

Great. You found the right article.



  • Check how devices are connected to the ToneMatch mixer. Stereo phase cancellation can be caused by sending 2 signals into one mono input. If the device (phone, laptop, tablet) is connected with a 3.5 mm stereo TRS to a 1/4” ‘stereo’ TRS mono input, it will not separate 2 signals properly in one connection. The result is lack of vocals, bass and many other aspects of a song. If this is the case, please provide the customer with part 353699-0010 3.5 mm stereo male to dual 1/4” mono male
 ”
But if i use the dual 1/4” mono male. Does that mean i have to connect each output to a separate channel on the t4s?

Yes, to support a stereo signal you need to use two channels on the T4S.

ST

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