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hi, so i have the model L1-II T1 and base2. i use an ipad for my muisic and connect via RCA connections to the T1 from my ipad. sometimes its neccesary to have a speaker at the other end of the hall, is there a way of hooking up either wirelss speaker or a wired speaker to the T1 based on the inputs im already using suhcthat the ipad music and my mic will go through both or multiple speakers? Thanks

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Hi Patrizia,

Please tell us how far away the remote loudspeaker will be.  How big is the hall? 

For these kinds of situations I use an L1® Compact for the remote loudspeaker and a wireless microphone/guitar system. Instead of using a microphone or guitar, I connect the T1® to the wireless transmitter.

I've had great results up to 75 through walls and on different floors. I expect that I could work with greater distances. I just haven't needed to.

Connections:

  • T1® Master Output to the wireless transmitter
  • Wireless receiver connected to L1® Compact Channel 2



Please tell us more about your needs. 

Thank you,

ST

Hi and thank you for the reply. The connections is usually under 100 feet. 

Im still a bit confused as to your connection though. In my setup I do usually have a wired mic. Also I have a wireless mic as well. Music is through an iPad to the tone match. 

From what you wrote it seems to use a satellite speaker I may have to substitute the wireless mic connection ? We don’t have instruments. So the music would then play through the L’1 model II and the satellite system simultaneously ?

Hi Patrizia,

You don't need to change anything about your inputs to the T1. Continue to connect your wired microphone, wireless microphone, and backing tracks as you are doing now.

What's new is...

T1 Master to Wireless Transmitter

If you use an L1 Compact as the satellite loudspeaker

Wireless Receiver to Compact Channel 2



The sound will play through the L1 Model II and the L1 Compact simultaneously.

Is that clearer?

ST

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This connection is exactly what I want ST. Can you let me know what wireless transmitter / receiver you use.

Also if you've any experience using the new Bose S1 pro as the additional speaker? And / if there are any pros/cons over using an L1 compact.

Thanks!

Hi hoohaa1,

Don't take this as a recommendation or an endorsement.

I've been using Shure SLX wireless systems

for many years. I got mine before there were so many options and digital systems available. 

This system is NOT digital and it is toward the upper end price-wise. I got my first one for electric guitar, but found out that it worked fine as a wireless extension for my L1® systems.  Shure says they are good for up to 100 meters (300+ feet). I haven't tested that limit, but I have had good results over 25 meters through walls on two floors.

Today, there are digital systems from Boss and Line 6 with entry level systems for a third of the Shure systems. But entry level systems have much shorter ranges, typically 16 meters (50 feet).

This is an area where you get what you pay for.

ST

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Hi ST.

 

So funnily enough a few years ago I bought this very SLX receiver with a wireless shure SM58 mic. It was second hand and ended up didn't work and got stung! So I got it to a dealer who repaired it. I've used it occasionally but the mic produces an ongoing click and I've had terrible feedback issues with the L1 - a story for another day.

My query is, if I buy a body pack separately in theory could this be used? I suppose then I'd find out if the transmitter is flawed or the handheld mic.

And if so if I invest in a Bose S1 pro as like the look and size of it, would it be a good solution you think?

Attach the body pack to the additional speaker at other end of venue. Hook my aux out from T1 to the transmitter and presto?

L

Hi hoohaa1,

hoohaa1 posted:

Hi ST.

So funnily enough a few years ago I bought this very SLX receiver with a wireless shure SM58 mic. It was second hand and ended up didn't work and got stung! So I got it to a dealer who repaired it. I've used it occasionally but the mic produces an ongoing click and I've had terrible feedback issues with the L1 - a story for another day.

You'll need to work with the dealer who repaired it to diagnose the cause of the click.  You may want to get a Beta 58 capsule for the microphone for better gain-before feedback



My query is, if I buy a body pack separately in theory could this be used? I suppose then I'd find out if the transmitter is flawed or the handheld mic.

Work with the dealer to diagnose the issue. It could be a fault in the receiver, but we don't have enough information here to know.



And if so if I invest in a Bose S1 pro as like the look and size of it, would it be a good solution you think?

It depends on what you need in the remote location.  If you use the S1 Pro - you'll probably put it up on a speaker stand or a table. I wouldn't leave an S1 Pro on the floor out of my line-of-sight, unless it was out of the path of pedestrian traffic.



Attach the body pack to the additional speaker at other end of venue.

The body pack is the transmitter - so you would connect that to the T1®. Connect the receiver to the remote speaker (S1 Pro or L1® Compact)

Hook my aux out from T1 to the transmitter and presto?

L

You can connect to the T1 Aux or T1 Master Output. It depends: If you need a separate mix - use the T1 Aux - notes below.

T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine Aux Output
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 ST

Thanks for the detailed reply as always.

Yes I get confused re: transmitter / receiver as this other system I was looking at I think is the reverse. The body packs being receivers etc but think I follow you now.

So if I invest in a shure SLX1 body pack I attach that to the master output (I won't need a different mix as I wanna hear my vocals and tracks the same as audience).

And that transmits signal to the SLX4 receiver that I have near the S1 pro or other speaker / system.

I suppose having the SLX4 is only helpful if can diagnose the system works and the mic is the one at fault. I might look about and try to borrow a diff wireless mic to diagnose.

 

The above system might be an option too. But think at this stage I'm gonna invest in the S1 Pro anyway as the monitor I have is very basic (thats why prefer using the L1 as it's suppose) so think having this to double as a monitor when needed, and an extra satellite but with consistent Bose sound probably best option for now.

Thanks. L

So I decided to invest in an in ear monitoring system after another corporate where really felt I could have benefited from one, so could push my L1 system but stay behind it.

I've invested in the Shure PSM300 as have heard great things.

My query is this:

if I connect the PSM300 base unit to the master output on my T1 in theory will now transmit the same mix of my tracks and vocal to the body pack and my in ears? Allowing me to hear what the L1 is putting out at any location?

IF so could I get another body pack and transmit the same mix to an additional satellite speaker - for extra coverage?

Would that now work?

Also final query is there any way my base PSM300 transmitter can interact with the GLX receiver and wireless mic transmitter I have? In some use that I've not thought of!

 

Thanks as always!

Hi hoohaa1,

hoohaa1 posted:

So I decided to invest in an in ear monitoring system after another corporate where really felt I could have benefited from one, so could push my L1 system but stay behind it.

I've invested in the Shure PSM300 as have heard great things.

My query is this:

if I connect the PSM300 base unit to the master output on my T1 in theory will now transmit the same mix of my tracks and vocal to the body pack and my in ears? Allowing me to hear what the L1 is putting out at any location?

The T1 Master Output gives you balanced mono connection to the same sound that the T1 sends to the L1 Model II Power Stand.  You can set it to be independent of the Master Volume Control so you have 100% of the volume available - and then you control the volume sent to the receiver, on the transmitter.  See T1 Master Output Pre/Post



IF so could I get another body pack and transmit the same mix to an additional satellite speaker - for extra coverage?

Would that now work?

Also final query is there any way my base PSM300 transmitter can interact with the GLX receiver and wireless mic transmitter I have? In some use that I've not thought of!

Thanks as always!

The rest of these questions are best answered by the Shure dealer that sells you the unit.   There are lots of documentation here: Shure PSM 300

ST

Thanks again for the quick reply ST.

I bought online so don't really have a dealer to ask, but will look into the literature.

If anyone else reading has an experience using a system like this for relaying sound to both an in ear monitor and to an additional speaker do let me know.

It's shipping already so will let you all know how get on. Had to choose it over getting a S1 pro but will hopefully get eventually down line if the gigs keep coming!

Hi Patrizia,

Patrizia posted:

Purchased a Bose Soundbar 700. Can this be connected to the L1 model II with Tonematch T1 - wired - to be used as a distant secondary speaker ? Perhaps 100 feet maybe more.. any way of connecting it to master output on T1 ? 

I hope you are enjoying your Bose Soundbar 700. I have one and use it with a 4K TV - and together they are my computer monitor and speaker.

For your application - I haven't tried these, ideas but it looks like they might work.

Bluetooth

The simplest thing would be a Bluetooth connection. You would need

From the T1





Wired Connection

The Bose Soundbar 700 supports audio inputs through HDMI and optical connections. There are no analog inputs. To run a wired connection from a T1 Master Output at 100 feet you would need

From the T1


As I mentioned, I haven't tried either of these methods, but it looks like they might work.

Please let us know if you try either of these methods.

Thanks,

ST

For the rca cable. This ? UGREEN 3.5MM Male to 2 RCA Female Jack Stereo Audio Cable Y Adapter Gold Plated Compatible for iPhone, iPod, iPad, MP3, Tablets, HiFi Stereo System, Computer Sound Speaker https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079..._api_i_nL04CbFBM3KTY

For the long range blue tooth transmitter Avantree Oasis Long Range Bluetooth Transmitter Receiver for TV & PC Audio, Home Stereo Speakers, Certified aptX Low Latency, Dual Link, with Voice Guide, Digital Optical Toslink 3.5mm AUX RCA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H..._api_i_uP04Cb1TW3554

for the trs to xlr adapter ? D’Addario PW-P047AA ¼” Male Balanced to XLR Female Adapter – Adapt a Balanced Signal from XLR to ¼” TRS or Vice Versa – Premium Quality Components for Maximum Power and Signal Transfer https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000..._api_i_TO04Cb4VANSKN

And can you provide simpler step by step instructions to connect to the T1 with the above four items ? I assume everything goes in line but want  to make sure. Hopefully this works well so people can hear me sing in the other side of the room. People close to the L1 model II complain about loudness which is needed to go across the room, hopefully this blue tooth idea works.  

Hi Patrizia,

Please tell us about:

  • The room (dimensions: length, width, height)
  • The number of people in the room
  • The sound sources you are amplifying with your L1 and T1 
    • Are you alone or working with other performers?
    • How many?
  • The bass module you have (B1 or B2)
  • What kind of music are you performing?
  • What are people doing while you are performing?
    • Listening attentively to you
    • You are background music
    • Something different?
  • Is this a permanent installation or are you moving things to different venues?
  • Did you get the Bose SoundBar 700 specifically for this purpose?


Let's see if there's a better way to approach this.

Thanks,

ST

Hi Patrizia,

I did some testing with my Bose SoundBar 700

Please see my post immediately above and let's talk about what you are doing before investing time and money into making the connections between the T1 and the Bose SoundBar 700.

ST

E9F43A50-DD2E-4FBE-8E87-E3FE167E3054Hi and thank you. I perform at various places perhaps about 100 people or so. Restaurants,  catering halls and the like. I am a singer of pop songs from Celine dion Barbra Streisand etc.  I also sing Italian songs. My bf is my sound guy and I sing off tracks. No other instruments. 

We have the L1 model II with B2 bad and the T1.

The Bose Soundbar 700 we bought for our 4K tv in our house. The other day we did a communion at a restaurant about 60 people and they wanted the music low. But when I went to the back of the restaurant it was hard to hear. I figured perhaps in this situation I can have another speaker for that. 

This Sunday we doing a communion at a restaurant maybe 70 people. They also have an outside patio maybe 50 feet away from where i am singing and where my equipment will be placed. If weather is nice people may go outside too. It would be nice to have sound there too

Between sets my bf Dj music. We use an iPad for music source and that’s connected to the T1. 

I was thinking about buying the new S1 but I thought in the meantime I could use the Soundbar. So perhaps the solution we pick should also work with another speaker like S1  this way I don’t have to by new things

Maybe you can see this 

https://www.facebook.com/sfava...84248105&sfns=mo

Unless you feel I would be better buying the S1 Pro and connect to that. Thank you so much 

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Hi Patrizia,

I see our messages crossed paths in the cloud. Thank you for all the additional information, the picture and the video. That's all extremely helpful.

Patrizia posted:

E9F43A50-DD2E-4FBE-8E87-E3FE167E3054Hi and thank you. I perform at various places perhaps about 100 people or so. Restaurants,  catering halls and the like. I am a singer of pop songs from Celine dion Barbra Streisand etc.  I also sing Italian songs. My bf is my sound guy and I sing off tracks. No other instruments. 

It's nice to get to know you better and to have this chance to understand what you are doing. 



We have the L1 model II with B2 bad and the T1.

I would expect the L1 Model II B2 and T1 to work well in the places you described.

In one of your posts above you said this about using the Bose SoundBar 700.

Hopefully this works well so people can hear me sing in the other side of the room. People close to the L1 model II complain about loudness which is needed to go across the room,

This is interesting because the mid-high frequencies (the range of your voice) should project well in a room with a hundred people. Of course, of those people are noisy then that's going to be a challenge.



The Bose Soundbar 700 we bought for our 4K tv in our house.

I'm glad to hear you got the Bose Soundbar 700 for your 4K TV in your house. I hope you are enjoying it.

The other day we did a communion at a restaurant about 60 people and they wanted the music low. But when I went to the back of the restaurant it was hard to hear. I figured perhaps in this situation I can have another speaker for that. 

When we are asked to perform background music in a restaurant, it is a challenge to play low enough for people up close to have a conversation and still be heard farther away.  In the video, I hear a festive family-oriented event with lots of lively conversation. That's going to make it difficult to meet the conflicting challenges of remaining in the background and being heard everywhere. 



This Sunday we doing a communion at a restaurant maybe 70 people. They also have an outside patio maybe 50 feet away from where i am singing and where my equipment will be placed. If weather is nice people may go outside too. It would be nice to have sound there too

Between sets my bf Dj music. We use an iPad for music source and that’s connected to the T1. 

You need and S1 Pro and a long cable or a wireless system. I wouldn't use Bluetooth because there are probably a lot of other Bluetooth devices and competition for radio bandwidth in the settings where you are performing.



I was thinking about buying the new S1 but I thought in the meantime I could use the Soundbar.

The Soundbar 700 was designed for home use, to look beautiful below a big screen tv. It wasn't engineered for the rigors of portable PA sound. I wouldn't take my SoundBar 700 out to a gig.  

Please don't invest money into the long chain of devices I described in my post above (T1 ⇒ XLR adapter ⇒ balanced to unbalanced converter ⇒ Long range Bluetooth Transmitter).  That's a lot of things to set up and check before each show. 

I haven't tried this combination of devices and I don't recall having seen anyone here tell us that they've done it.



  • So perhaps the solution we pick should also work with another speaker like S1  this way I don’t have to by new things

If you decide to use an S1 Pro, the connections are simpler because:

  • The T1 is mono and so is the S1 Pro
  • If we use a wired connection, you can use a cable
    • 1/4 inch (6.3 mm) Tip-Ring-Sleeve to XLR
      OR 
    • 1/4 inch (6.3 mm) Tip-Ring-Sleeve connectors at both ends
  • If you use a wireless system you won't need any converters to make the connection.

Thanks for the link to the video. I have a suggestion:

For your sets when you are singing

Try turning down the bass a bit. From what I heard in the video I thought the people close to the L1 might be feeling too much bass.

If you are using the ToneMatch Presets for DJ/Playback, I would not use those while you are singing.

If you have B2 Bass Level switch on the + (plus) setting, try the normal setting in the middle.



Unless you feel I would be better buying the S1 Pro and connect to that. Thank you so much 

I did some testing last night with my Bose Soundbar 700. For what you are doing the S1 Pro is a better choice. 

  • The S1 Pro system is engineered to take to gigs
    • It's easier to carry around
    • It's less likely to get damaged at a gig than the Bose Soundbar 700
  • It's easier to find a place to put the S1 Pro
    • The Bose Soundbar 700 is an odd shape for a remote speaker
    • You can put the S1 Pro system on a speaker stand
      • You don't have that option with the Bose Soundbar 700
  • The S1 Pro system has physical controls for volume, bass and treble
    • With the Bose Soundbar 700 you would need the remote and Bose Music app to control the sound
  • The S1 Pro system is considerably louder than the Bose Soundbar 700
  • If you want to perform in smaller settings, you can use the S1 Pro system instead of the T1 and Model II


What do you think Patrizia?

ST

For wireless transmitter/receiver I’m hearing some good things about the Xvive U3 which can connect to dynamic mics or line output from mixer to speaker. It takes an XLR jack at both ends though. Perhaps you could use an 1/4” to XLR adapter of some sort?

The Xvive U2 for guitars might work as it has tip sleeve 1/4” plugs. But not sure this would be ideal to connect mixer and to speaker like the S1. The U3  is made to connect a mic or line out based on its selector switch. 

ST thank you for all the useful insights and experiences you shared. Very good you noticed about the bass. A customer actually said that to me about the bass. I have to remember that. Yes when I sing I have it in Dj playback with tracks - I will change that while I am singing and also make sure b2 bass is set as you indicated. 

From what you suggested I think I will go with the S1 Pro. Most probable wireless but we see. 

Thank you so much for helping me. 

Patrizia 

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