L1 Model II for new band

Hello,

I am new to the forum and think it is a fantastic resource, especially for Bose L1 newbies like me.

I have started an acoustic rock band and am very close to investing in an L1 system. However, I am confused about what type of investment I should make at the outset.

There are three of us. Each of us sings (three part harmonies), two of us play acoustic guitar (I will play both a 6 string and a 12 string), and the third member is a bass player. At some point we might add percussion, but for now it's just us 3. The bass player will likely bring his own amp, although he might change his mind if he realizes he can simply plug into the L1.

My initial thought was to invest in an L1 Model II with two B1's and one T1 Engine. I was thinking of investing in a separate mackie mixer to help add more channels (maybe a small mixer to run all the vocals into one channel of the T1) and use the remaining channels for the instruments.

I have read on this forum that many seem to prefer a second T1 engine.

If I had the budget, I would invest in two L1 M2 systems, but alas, this is all I can afford at this time.

Finally, we plan on playing small to medium sized rooms (wine bars, pubs, bars, and maybe the occasional hall or outside gig).

So my question is: is the purchase of an L1 M2 with 2 B1's and 1 T1 Engine enough for us, given that we might expand to percussion at some point? Should I purchase a second T1 in lieu of a mackie mixer? Are we already too big for just 1 L1 system?

Thank you so much for your time and feedback. My biggest fear is to drop 3 grand and not be able to adequately handle our setup from an input and a sound standpoint.

Vincent
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It sounds like the type of act you are doing and the size of venues you are doing you should be good to start out with a single model II system. Depending on the type of percussion you are adding you may not need to amplify it in the venues you are playing, I guess you will find out. I think you will have no problem with the guitars and vocals going through the single L1. The Bass may get a little iffy depending how loud he will want to play.

So options. If you just go with the acoustic guitars and vocals through the L1 you may only need one B1 (to start) and maybe even just one T1. If your acoustics have volume and tone controls on them they can go into inputs 4 and 5 and share EQ/effects and then the vocals can all go into channels 1 2 and 3. If your acoustics need to be mic'd I might be inclined to still go with 1 B1 and add a second T1 for more inputs.

If the bass player has a portable gigging amp it will work fine along side the L1. Either way there are so many pluses to using the T1 that I would recommend it over the Mackie for sure. You can plug the second one into the Aux in on the power stand and set the level to 3 to make it match the other T1. If you can afford the extra B1 and the extra T1 you might get away with running the bass along with everything else. It's hard to guess when I can't envision the actual size of the rooms you play and the volumes you expect to play at. You can always add more B1's and a packlite in the future to give you more headroom.
Hi Vincent,

Thank you for joining the Forum.

I think that Litesnsirens and I are of like minds here.

Given what you have told us (3 vocals, 2 guitars, 1 bass), I would put the priority on the Model II with a single B1 and two T1®s. I'd encourage you to skip the Mackie (not that there is anything inherently wrong with it), because the second T1® will give you much more control and flexibility.

If your bass player is likely going to bring his own amp, then you will get more value out of a second T1® than a second B1. I would consider that a better investment.

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Originally posted by Vincent:
So my question is: is the purchase of an L1 M2 with 2 B1's and 1 T1 Engine enough for us, given that we might expand to percussion at some point? Should I purchase a second T1 in lieu of a mackie mixer? Are we already too big for just 1 L1 system?


I think a Model II with a single B1 will serve you well for "small to medium sized rooms (wine bars, pubs, bars,"

For "the occasional hall or outside gig)." you might want to get another B1, but I'd put the priority on the second T1®.

I am strong advocate of having a simple, repeatable setup. Having two T1®s let's you learn one (excellent) device and apply that knowledge twice. This is in contrast to having two mindsets (the T1® and the Mackie). As you know, the Model II supports two T1®s, and this is pretty close to plug-n-play simplicity. You don't have to spend any time trying to figure out gain-staging across multiple devices.

When you order your system, you will need to order one T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine power supply for the second T1®. The first one will be powered directly from the Model II Power Stand.


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How does that sound to you?
Hello litesnsirens and ST - thanks so much to you both for your feedback! It took a good amount of thought and time for each of you to respond and I'm am grateful.

I think you both are spot-on with the direction I should go with my initial L1 system.

As for the T1's themselves, I have another question: I will primarily be playing with three acoustic guitars: two are ovations that have preamps, one is a Crafter acoustic (Korean - great guitar!) that has an LR Baggs Dual Source pickup in. With two T1's, am I best to have separate channels for the ovations and the LR Baggs? The LR Baggs also has a pre-amp.

My counterpart also plays an Ovation acoustic.

Thank you ST for the diagram - extremely useful! I'm assuming it would be easiest to run all acoustics into one T1 and then all guitars and possibly bass into the other T1. Any recommendations for the ideal setup with two T1's if I were to run all instruments into one and then vocals into the other?

Thanks again - this has been extremely helpful and just your help alone has solidified my decision to purchase this system.

Best -

Vincent
Hi Vincent,

With two T1®s, your mindset's around this could be:

T1® is your T1® for your microphone and your guitars. That is: You control all of your sound.

T1® is your counterpart's T1® for his/her microphone and his/her guitars. It sounds like s/he will share his/her T1® with the Bass Player (microphone). S/he will control all his/her sound and that of the Basssist.

If the Bass Player's amp has a high-pass output s/he could run that in to the T1® to give the Bass more definition in the overall sound.

Back to YOUR T1®. I would probably do it this way. T1® Channels:
Vocal microphone
Ovation (whichever you play most)
Ovation
Crafter

It doesn't REALLY matter which channels you use for the various guitars. But in your shoes, I would put the one I used the most in Channel

You will find that the input sensitivity is higher on Channels 1,2,3 than Channel 4/5. That's okay - you can level that out with the input trim.


I always use T1® for my vocal microphone. That's for no other reason than consistency in my mindset as I set up gear. "Vocals come first".
I would set up the other T1® like this:
Vocal microphone (Guitarist)
Ovation
Vocal microphone (Bass Player)
Bass amp high-pass line out (if there is one)

Does that help?
Hi ST -

This is a tremendous help. Thanks so much for your input.

Do you recommend the mic stand for the T1's? I've read many mixed reviews about it. It seems like it would be much easier to have the T1 in front while performing as opposed to behind when attached to the L1.
Hi Vincent,

I use the T1® microphone stand bracket all the time. It's great for me to have the T1® right on the microphone stand while I'm performing. I do that confidently with the following tips in mind:

  • The first time I install it on a microphone stand, I make sure not to force it. If it takes a lot of pressure to snap it into place - I use the looser of the two possible settings. You'll see what I mean when you get to that point.

  • Once installed, I never take the part that clamps on the microphone stand off. There's no need to remove it if you continue to use the same microphone stand. I do.

  • Before mounting the T1® on the bracket I attach the T1® cable to the microphone stand using the velcro strap on the cable.

  • Then I connect the T1® cable to the T1®. It locks into the connector so this now serves as a safety tether in case the T1® get's knocked off bracket.

  • The bracket arm can go in two ways. You want it so that the bevel on the top is sloping down toward you as you place the T1® on it.



I've never had a mishap or a problem with this but there are others who prefer to use a small table for the T1®.

One final tip - I have all my cables that go into the T1® strapped to the microphone stand. When it's time to tear-down I keep all the cables attached to the stand and pack up everything together in case I have that fits the microphone stand. Setup at the next gig takes seconds because all the cables for the T1® are strapped to the stand and I just have to connect them to the T1® and that end of things is ready to go. Then there's just the ToneMatch cable from the T1® to the Model II, and that is also strapped to the microphone stand too.


Have I answered your question?



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Hi Vincent,

You are welcome.


I use the shortest possible cables that get the job done. I got mine at audiopile.net and this link takes you to review of those cables.

Basically:
Microphone cable: 3 feet (gets me from the T1® to the microphone on short boom stand).



All the following have silent connectors. (follow the link and scroll down the page for details)

Six foot cable instrument cable: T1® to guitar processor on the floor

Six foot cable: T1® to PorchBoard Floor Bass

10 foot instrument cable: Floorboard processor to Guitar.

I hope that helps.

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