I am very new to this field. Bought L1 model II with B2 as one of my friend recommended this.

I have seen  F1 Model 812 with F1 sub seems like covering bigger crowd and also higher watts based on the overview of the product.

Any reason why one would prefer L1 model 2 over F1 model 812 with F1.

I ask because i am planning to return L1 M2 and get F1 Model 812..

Any info which will help to make my mind would be helpful. Thx Sri

 

 

 

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In my experience having owned them both, I'd say that unless you're planning on covering a fairly large crowd of more than 300-400 people outdoors and play rock or are a DJ who needs thumping bass, I'd choose the L1 M2  as it has a wider sounding frequency response and dispersion pattern throughout a room than the F1.

What kind of music are you playing and what's your expected crowd size?

Hi Sri,

Are we talking about the same room?

70 x 90 feet

Stage (27 feet wide) centered on 70 foot wall facing the opposite wall 90 feet away?

Application: Karaoke

Mixer is a Bose T8S

If this is the same room and application - what are you hoping to improve by switching to the F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer systems? Note, you will need two.

ST

First of all ...thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.

My event typically consists of 200-300(Max) people indoor of large rooms (6K-7K sqft).

Events consists of playing music/vocal singing / instruments like guitar/keyboard etc ..

I guess L1 M2 with B2 is preferable choice for my use.

 

Thanks

 

Hi Sri,

If you were getting too much bass as you described in your other discussion -> L1 model 2 - b2 switch setting for karaoke

you probably don't need the extra power you would get with the F1 Subwoofers.

You will find the L1 Model II systems give you more even volume from the front of the room to the back of the room.

The F1 Model 812 and F1 Subwoofer will be louder close to the stage, and not as loud at the back compared to the L1 Model II systems.

ST

Hi ST, 

Reading that L1 model 2 with b2 bass is better for indoors event and/or as a monitor PA and that the F1 with subwoofer is better for live venues for 300 audiance or above (1 single system) is there a possibility of having both at the same time for a live outdoor event for a band and venue for up to 500 to 600 audiance. Having the L1 m2 with b2 on the stage and the F1 system on floor outside the stage? Should that work, or it might need more than that? Also can you use the t4s or t8s for both systems at the same time as well?

Hi Kempashi,

Welcome to the Bose Portable PA Community. I'm glad you joined us.

You will find the L1 Model II systems give you more even volume from the front of the room to the back of the room.

The F1 Model 812 and F1 Subwoofer can be much be louder close to the stage than the L1, but the sound will drop off more over distance compared to the L1.

Kempashi posted:

Hi ST, 

Reading that L1 model 2 with b2 bass is better for indoors event and/or as a monitor PA and that the F1 with subwoofer is better for live venues for 300 audiance or above (1 single system)

Whether the L1 or F1 is more suitable for you depends on what you are doing and your requirements.

What kind of show are you putting on. You mentioned a band.  Do you need to motivate people on a dance floor or entertain the entire room or listening area from front to back in a quiet concert? What kind of music are you playing.



is there a possibility of having both at the same time for a live outdoor event for a band and venue for up to 500 to 600 audiance.

Yes you can use both and L1 and F1 at the same time.  For an outdoor concert, you may need F1 Subwoofers.



Having the L1 m2 with b2 on the stage and the F1 system on floor outside the stage? Should that work, or it might need more than that?

If you are using F1 systems, you probably need two of them (one for each side of audience).



Also can you use the t4s or t8s for both systems at the same time as well?

Yes, the T4S and T8S have enough outputs to run an L1 on stage and two F1 systems.

If you are running a band through the ToneMatch mixer, you probably need a T8S so you have enough channels for your inputs.


ST

Hi, thanks again for replying,

The band is a worship band composed of 5 singers 2 of them with instruments (classic guitar and bass) 1 drum, 1 piano and 1 electric guitar. 8 person total. We play different types of music, rock, balads, pop, salsa, alternative music. Also there is a preacher that talks between songs with a piano, guitar live background music. We do it in both audience. Outdoors about 300 to 600 audience and indoor from 150 to 300. Im still planning on buying the equipment, I just want to know how much gear i will need. Im thinking on 1 L1 model 2 with b2 bass for indoors and for outdoors the L1 plus and f1 or i will need 2 f1s?

With what you describe, I'd start with purchasing another L1M2 with B2.

If necessary for the biggest outdoor gigs, you can add a couple more B2s if you're not getting enough "thump" but I don't think you would need them.

I had an L1M2 with 2 B1s and an F1.  On my LAST major sound gig I had the L1M2 well behind the stage and the F1 on the floor in front in an ampitheater seating situation -- audience above F1 and it worked OK because the L1 carried the higher frequencies while the F1 provided some punch that 2 B1s couldn't provide.

Another cheaper option for the LARGEST gigs would be a couple of powered subwoofers (Not necessarily Bose) to add to two L1M2 systems with ONE B2 each.

Hi, again and thanks for your info.

i've been trying to compare the bose L1 with other systems like the evolve 50, rcf 12, turbosound ip 3000, db es 1203, CFT Vertus, hk elements big base, among others and by watching at videos and reading I still can't choose a systems that i can rely on. The moment i realize bose is the best option i read an article that says is not loud enough or it guets muddy or it not punchy enough ect. Even though ive been told that a combination from the L1M2 with F1 would work for my scenario or 2 L1M2. I would like to see if someone has already tested something similar and succeed, I'm not convince yet. As you may know, is quite an expensive systems so i want to be sure of what im buying, thanks in advance for the help.

Great thing about Bose is the trial. 45 days. Make sure you get help here before you send it back if you feel something isn't meeting your needs. 

I've been using Bose speakers for 13 years now. The clarity is amazing, customer service fantastic, quality for road wear very good.  Sounds as great today as they did brand new

Oh, and they hold their value very well, so if you do ever need to sell them, you'll find them in demand and getting a good price. 

In my opinion, the people that hear anything muddy is because their source is flawed and they didn't notice it before because the distortion covered it up. When hearing the source perfectly, it exposes flaws. When the source is correct, it's true perfection. 

Kempashi posted:

Thanks for your help, and sorry for my ignorance, but what do you mean by source.

The source of the sound being amplified....What I mean is they are playing music that wasn't recorded well, or playing an instrument that's not being played right or out of tune. 

 

Kind of like seeing someone on a high definition TV for the first time. How could they possibly look WORSE?

because the high definition provided so much clarity that the flaws that weren't visible before are now crystal clear. 

 

I believe clarity should always win😄

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