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Anyone having experience using Voice live 3 with Tone match. Having difficult time with settings matching the 2 together!! When I use my headphones into the voice live 3 it sounds awesome.. but get a completely different sound threw the Bose system!!! not flattering!! Any pointers would be much appreciated!!!

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Hi Royela,

let me say this regarding your problem. As a Line 6 POD user when it first came out I made the mistake of dialing in my sounds using headphones as monitors. I was really happy with the presets I made for my dance band (similar to a top 40 band) at the time. I then took the POD with my carefully made presets into our practice room and connected everything up. The sound was pretty awful. Nothing like I'd heard through my headphones. After that I always went into the practice room (occasionally with a colleague but mostly alone) and programmed my sounds through the system we played through. 

My advice to you is to program your sounds through the Bose system. That way you'll not get any surprises when you connect up. You'll hear what you programs through the Bose. Another thing. Don't forget that the Bose is a mono system, so unless your using 2 in a stereo set-up you'll not here any stereo effects that you'd heart through headphones.

Regarding a preset for the VoiceLive 3, try using the Utility Flat preset and see how you like that. Also a mistake that many make when first starting out with something like your VoiceLive 3 is to use the effects coming from the unit and also the effects in the T1. I would advise against this practice. Use either the effects from the VoiceLive 3 or the T1 otherwise could very well  get a really muddy sound.

I'll leave it at that for now as you've not said how you're using the VoiceLive 3, so I can't give specific advice. With the information you've given I can only give general advice which applies to anything that you may be using the unit for. Maybe that's all you need. Should you need more specific advice, you'll have to specify how you're using the VoiceLive 3 and then we can see what can be suggested. 

At the moment your biggest problem will probably be that you've programmed using headphones and got a big shock when you heard it through the Bose. I've used a VoiceLive 3 through my Compact (not tried it with my Model II yet) and it sounded pretty good (sounds set up using the Compact as monitor).

Has this helped in any way?

Tony

 

Thanks Tony....I appreciate your quick response!! Yes I have done most of what you suggested and I understand the Mono issue. I use the voice live 3 for harmonies. The sound is good except when I turn on harmonies it increases the volume so the sound terrible!! I have a feeling it is more of a TC Helicon issue than the Bose. Any setting you may suggest using the voive live 3 would be appreciated. Having many frustrating hours trying to get the 2 together.

Thanks again

Roy

Hi Roy,

let me first answer this:

Royela posted:

by the way when you said use utility flat...where exactly are you taking about?

Thanks again

Roy

Utility flat is a T1 preset which basically bypasses the T1 EQ presets. It's basically a bypass. You still have use of the tone controls etc. for fine tuning but no EQ'ing that you don't need. Some of us use it when connecting signal processors such as yours to the T1 as it quite often gives the best sound. To select "Utility Flat" rotate the "Category" knob until you see "Utility" and select it. Then rotate the preset knob to flat and select that. You now have "Utility Flat".

There's a really good article on the T1 in the Wiki (which ST created for our use many moons ago and keeps up to date with new information and tips as they come in (and his time allows). It goes under the heading "T1 Tonematch Audio Engine/Tips and Tricks. You may find it extremely helpful. Here's a link to that article. Just click on the link and it should take you there. You'll also see a diagram of how the "Utility Flat" preset looks.

http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=T1_ToneMatch®_Audio_Engine_/_Tips_%26_Tricks

I'm also giving you link to a thread which will be 10 years old in October this year. It was started by Ken Jacob (Ken-at-Bose, one of the main people behind the L1 in the R+D department) and explains a lot about the Bypass function in the T1. It's still as relevant now as it was back then, and could help you to understand the T1 a bit better.

https://www.bosepro.community/...seful-bypass-feature

Royela posted:

I use the voice live 3 for harmonies. The sound is good except when I turn on harmonies it increases the volume so the sound terrible!! I have a feeling it is more of a TC Helicon issue than the Bose. Any setting you may suggest using the voive live 3 would be appreciated. Having many frustrating hours trying to get the 2 together.

Roy

You're right on this one Roy. The L1 can only amplify what it's fed with (as with any other amplifier for that matter). What you need to do here is to set the volume levels of the vocals/harmonies so that they sound as you want them. In the Manual, which you can download from TC-Helicon as a PDF, editing the vocal effects begins on page 52. I would advise you to have a good read of at least that part of the manual. What also helped me at the beginning was the TC-Helicon youtube channel (I still go back there once in a while). Here's a link to the VoiceLive 3 page of that channel:

https://www.youtube.com/playli...lKn1W2KXRUvm10F7qbI0

Another tip which I regularly give here on the forum is to make use of a digital recorder if you have one. Set up the recorder in the room and record what you're doing. Make notes of what you're doing so that you can eventually go back later and tweak. The advantage of doing this is that you don't have your own voice in your head (as you do when singing). You hear exactly what the audience hears. This way you can check your EQ's and relative volumes of vocals/instuments in the mix. If you don't have a digital recorder a mobile phone would be better than nothing. If I have time when setting up for a gig in a "new" location I'll record my sound check and make any necessary tweaks. Quite often it's not possible, but if it is I'll try to do it. I find it good for my own peace of mind.

Regarding this:

Royela posted:

 Any setting you may suggest using the voive live 3 would be appreciated. Having many frustrating hours trying to get the 2 together.

 

You can't get around taking time and spending a few hours getting to know the VoiceLive 3 and how to use and program it, but maybe if you try out my suggested approach you can avoid many of the "frustrating hours" you've been having.

Has this helped at all?

Tony

Hey there Tony

Thank you for all the help you have given...I will certainly take all your advice and spend the next few days doing my home work on this!!! You have been very helpful and I surely do appreciate this!! Will let you know how I have come along!!!

Again Thank you again!!!

Roy

Hi Roy,

Royela posted:

Hey there Tony

Thank you for all the help you have given...I will certainly take all your advice and spend the next few days doing my home work on this!!!

You're more than welcome to any help I can give.

You have been very helpful and I surely do appreciate this!! Will let you know how I have come along!!!

Again Thank you again!!!

Roy

I look forward to hearing about your progress here. What's unfortunate about gear nowadays is that the things are so versatile that the learning curve is pretty hefty. Mind you, in the olden days you'd have to buy a unit for each thing. If you add up all the learning curves, maybe it's not really all that bad nowadays. It's just that you've got it all in one unit that makes it seem a lot.

Tony

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