L1 Model II with new T8S

I've been one of those who wants more channels and it will be here soon in the T8S. I've read most of the post's for the 8 and was wondering is the fact there are more channels on the 8 the only new "stuff"? For example, how about more presets, i.e., I am an Korg PA4X Arranger player. One of the presets on the T1 was DJ, also no presets for the Heil microphones. Just wondering if any thought was given to more presets during the creation of the T8S?



Edit title: Previously "L1 Model 11 with new T8S"

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Hi Chuckm,

Here's a quick overview of what's new in the T8S compared to the T1® 

New / Changed

  • Channels 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 all have combo XLR-1/4" inputs
  • There are channels 9 and 10 that are 1/4" Tip-Ring-Sleeve
  • USB B from PC can be routed to channels 7 and 8 to maintain stereo image and have full channel processing
  • Stereo outputs and processing
    • Two analog 1/4" Tip-Ring-Sleeve (Left and Right)
    • Two analog XLR outputs (Left and Right)
    • Pan
  • Headphone jack
  • 6mm (1/4"-20) threaded insert at the bottom for use with mounting hardware,
  • Tap-tempo delay
  • Dedicated Reverb on Aux 1
  • Four Aux outputs
  • 3-band Parametric EQ per channel
  • Master out 6-band EQ,
  • USB playback (WAV/MP3) from thumb drives
  • New industrial design
  • New magnetic cover


Removed

  • Removed the L1® Cylindrical Radiator® stand and the mic stand adapter (replaced by the common 1/4"-20 insert)
  • Removed the preamp outs based on customer feedback that it was used very infrequently


Unchanged

  • ToneMatch Presets
  • Firmware update process


ST

Hi Chuckm,

The Master Output is now two pairs of outputs.



1/4" (6mm) Tip-Ring-Sleeve  Left and Right (top row)

XLR Left and Right (bottom row)

The only stereo output is the headphone jack on the side of the unit. Oh, and the USB B port sends signals designated as Left and Right.

Have I addressed your thought?



ST

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Hi there !

I got a T8S recently. I haven’t yet connected it to my L1mkII or gigged with it.

However, I have diving through the menus of the T8S, programming a scene set-up like I normally have on my T1 - and kind of as expected, getting my way around this new T8S is as easy and straightforward as the good old T1 I have had for about 9yrs or so. My bandmate has a T1 too BUT we have added a 3rd band member so need more channels.

So far, I have tested the sound via headphones (and the headphone jack on the side of the T8S) with my Hammond organ clone keyboard (a Mag C2 organ with built in Mini-Vent leslie speaker sim), using two channels to get stereo, panning each channel L&R. This turned out easier to do than O thought. Sounds awesome !!! It’s funny watching the decibel meter LED’s dance while I play the organ, as the leslie sim goes from left to right, and the decibel L&R lights alternate which one is higher !

 

I expect it sounds great as you suggest. I use the Korg Arranger Keyboard which also has on board Hammond B3 sounds and more. I look forward to hearing it through the new T8S. But so far I can't find one to buy not until April I'm told. Thanks for your note.

Hi again !

I’m in Edinburgh, Scotland, UK.

i couldn’t get a hold of one in UK shops but the German company Thomann had them in stock for more or less the same price. Can’t wait for a gig with it. I have no doubt it will be just as good with my L1mkII, my pair of Yamaha DXR12’s, or BOTH together as it with my original T1 (well, two T1’s actually).

Hello again. I have two sets of the Bose L1 Model 11's, the T1, a Korg PA4X Arranger Keyboard and use a Neumann KBS 105 microphone. Occasionally I have a friend work with me playing guitar, hence why I need more channels. We all have different ways of doing things, I'd be curious to hear how your first gig goes with the new T8S. Take care.   

ST. Since I am now using channels 4/5 on the T1 for my keyboard. Can I use channels 9-10 for the same purpose on the T8S. Then the follow up question is are the new master outs you pointed out now used for the speakers? Remember I use two sticks.

Hi Chuckm,

Thanks for the interesting questions.

Chuckm posted:

ST. Since I am now using channels 4/5 on the T1 for my keyboard. Can I use channels 9-10 for the same purpose on the T8S.

Channels 9-10 are routed directly to Master Outputs.  There's no processing on those channels. If you want to add Presets or Effects you'll need to connect to the regular channels, 1-8.  Do you use Presets or Effects on your Keyboard in your T1®?

Then the follow up question is are the new master outs you pointed out now used for the speakers? Remember I use two sticks.

The new master outputs: You will connect them to the L1® Model II Power Stands Analog Inputs. Use balanced cables (1/4 inch Tip-Ring-Sleeve).

All set?

ST

 

I somehow lost my response before I was finished typing it. The keyboard comes with it's own effects. But to stick with the basics, I can come out of my left/right out of the keyboard into channels one-two of the T8, set the balances the same on each channel using the proper cables and use them as dual mono. I'm a little ahead of the game since I don't have the 8 yet. Just getting ready for a quick start up when I do get one. Thanks

Hi Chuck,

Yes, you can do what you said. However, since you are adding any processing to the Keyboard signal. you CAN use channels 9-10. You can adjust the pan and levels if you want under the Aux/Pan control. But if you leave things alone - the defaults should work for you.

This will leave channels 1-8 open for other things.

ST

Hi Pangui16,

Bose engineered all the ToneMatch mixers (T1®, T4S, T8S) to offer the same excellent quality audio whether you use the ToneMatch cable or a balanced cable for audio.

If you are using good quality balanced cables there should be no difference between using any combination of XLR and 1/4 inch Tip-Ring-Sleeve connections.

The benefit of using the Cat-5 cable for the T1® or T4S is convenience because you don't need to use the T1®/T8S power supply. Unfortunately, the Model II Power Stand can not supply enough power to operate a T8S.

Does that help?

ST

ST posted:

Hi Pangui16,

Bose engineered all the ToneMatch mixers (T1®, T4S, T8S) to offer the same excellent quality audio whether you use the ToneMatch cable or a balanced cable for audio.

If you are using good quality balanced cables there should be no difference between using any combination of XLR and 1/4 inch Tip-Ring-Sleeve connections.

The benefit of using the Cat-5 cable for the T1® or T4S is convenience because you don't need to use the T1®/T8S power supply. Unfortunately, the Model II Power Stand can not supply enough power to operate a T8S.

Does that help?

ST

Yes indeed it clears the air I can use the tone match with other systems the power supply is about $35 not too bad good to know thank you st 

Hi Chuckm,

Chuckm posted:

ST.I was going over all of our notes over the weekend. If I am right I won't be able to connect both sticks digitally to the 8S as outlined in the manual. Just analog, right?  

Yes, the outputs on the T8S are analog.

Bose engineered all the ToneMatch mixers (T1®, T4S, T8S) to offer the same excellent quality audio whether you use the ToneMatch cable (T1®, T4S) or a balanced cable for audio (T8S).

ST

I received the new T8S today and am being careful to ensure I have it connected properly.

 

First thing I noticed was there are not instructions regarding connecting to the L1 Model II. The TM1 was pretty straight forward but the 8 is entirely new.

 

  1. I have two sticks so I assume they are connected to R&L out of the T8. But where are they connected to the power stand using XLR
  2. I use a vocal harmonizer that I have been running through Preamp 1 on the T1 and using CH 2 for mix. I assume I now should use one of the Aux’s on the T8
  3. My keyboard is out of L&R out of the keyboard into Ch 4&5 of the T1. I assume that I must now use 2 channels on the T8

 

Let’s start with these Q’s and see how things go. Thanks

 

Chuck

Hi Chuck,

Congratulations on getting your T8S!

Chuckm posted:

I received the new T8S today and am being careful to ensure I have it connected properly.

First thing I noticed was there are not instructions regarding connecting to the L1 Model II. The TM1 was pretty straight forward but the 8 is entirely new.

I have two sticks so I assume they are connected to R&L out of the T8. But where are they connected to the power stand using XLR

There are two 1/4 inch Tip-Ring-Sleeve outputs - use balanced 1/4 inch jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve cables to connect to the Model II Power Stands

 



I use a vocal harmonizer that I have been running through Preamp 1 on the T1 and using CH 2 for mix. I assume I now should use one of the Aux’s on the T8

Yes.



My keyboard is out of L&R out of the keyboard into Ch 4&5 of the T1. I assume that I must now use 2 channels on the T8

Use the Aux Inputs - Channels 9/10





Let’s start with these Q’s and see how things go. Thanks

Chuck

Keep 'em coming Chuck,

ST

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Hi there !

If you normally ie some Tonematch  T1 effects on your keyboards, you might be best plugging your keyboard into 2 channels (eg. Ch 1&2) of the T8S.

If you need 8 other channels for other things and/or can survive without reverbof compression on your keyboard, perhaps plug your keyboard into Aux 1&2.

Remember though, if you need lots of channels but still want the reverb & compression on your keyboard, plug the keyboard in Ch 1&2 of your new T8S, then you can use your original T1 Tonematch (if you are keeping it), plugging it into Aux 1 channel of the T8S - so then you will have Ch’s 3-8 of the T8S free PLUS all the T1 channels (don’t plug in any stuff you want in stereo, into the T1 though, as that can’t give stereo).

How many channels DO you need ??

Hi Chuck,

Chuckm posted:

Using Ch 9-10 for the keyboard is contingent on my not using any effects, right? I do use light compression from the mixer for the keyboard. I also use reverb for all the channels but not necessary. Thanks

Aha - I've always relied on the keyboard to provide all the processing required. That's why I didn't consider that you'd want to use effects or compression. Yes, if you want to use effects, compression, or reverb, you'll need to use channels 1 through 8. I can't recall. Are you running your keyboard in stereo across your L1®s? If not, then you can save a channel by running mono out of the keyboard to a single channel on the T8S.

ST

Thanks ST. This time with the new T8 I think I'll try using the keyboard without compression. I still like to use Reverb Type so that could be an issue because when using that feature it automatically goes to all channels, at least it does on the T1.

I am moving everything down to a larger space this Friday and my "engineer" friend and I are going to put the T8 through it's paces. In the larger space we can open things up with more volume, two sticks, etc. I'm sure there will be questions. Thanks again. (****, I can't believe I'm 77 years old and still doing this stuff).

My guitar playing friend who sets in periodically is 75. But remember we are playing music from the 50's, 60's & 70's which is what we grew up with. So when we play in the Assisted Living Centers all of our listeners are our age (+ a little older). So they remember. Plus no chance of a barroom fight and getting our equipment bashed. Keep playing music! You may get older with age, but not in spirit.

ST. I've built cable = XLR Female on one end Tip Ring Sleeve on the other. 

So am I to assume the Tip Ring goes into the Analog In on the L1 Model II power stand?

If so ( and this is a really ignorant question) how is the volume controlled?

I see each channel as with the T1 has an individual control but the speakers do not. 

Sorry.

 

Hi Chuck,

from above:

There are two 1/4 inch Tip-Ring-Sleeve outputs - use balanced 1/4 inch jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve cables to connect to the Model II Power Stands

 




Since you've built XLR female to 1/4 inch Tip-Ring-Sleeve jack cable(s) you can use these outputs, below.

Wear some ear-protection. This will get loud.

For each L1® Model II:



  1. Connect the 1/4 inchTip-Ring-Sleeve end to the Model II Power Stand analog inputs.

    File:Model 1S Analog Input Detail.png

  2. Set the Trim control on the power stand to the 0 (zero) position.
  3. Connect the T8S to the Analog Input.
  4. T8S preparation (one time job)
    • Set the Master Volume to 0.
    • Set the individual channel trim settings so you see a strong green. signal on all channels you are using.
    • Set the individual channels up to 12:00 o'clock.
    • Run some prerecorded music through one or two channels.
    • Turn up the Master Volume to 12:00 o'clock.
  5. While playing the source, increase the Model II Power Stand Trim  level so that the Signal/Clip indicator glows green or yellow.

    Model 1S Analog Input

  6. If the Signal/Clip indicator glows red, decrease the Trim level so that it glows only green or yellow.
  7. From this point on, you should not have to change the Model II Power Stand Analog Input trim setting.
  8. Control the volume of the L1® using the T8S Master Volume control.


ST

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Just fired up the T8S for the first time. Not near the same as the T1, for example:

On the T1 I set my KMS 105 Mic preset and it saves my setting. So every time I turn it on the settings are saved. Not so on the 8.

Para EQ on the T1 has Level, Freq and Width the 8 does not

Using Reverb on the T1 = Mix and Bright, on the 8 = Menu, Mix or Muted

Reverb Type on the T1 has Type Time and Bal. On the 8 = Menu, Type and Bal.

My hope was that once the setting are established they would be there always unless I changed them.Now it appears the setting must be saved scenes every time. Right?

 

 

Not updated the firmware, wasn't aware I should. As for the power it stays on for quite awhile and once it is turned off it stay off for quite awhile.

For example with the T1, When I turn it on it come up with KMS 105 for my mic setting. No so on the 8. Just saying.

Hi Chuck,

Please update your firmware. There should have been a piece of paper on top of the unit when you opened the box. 

It has instructions on how to update your firmware. You can follow the link in my post above. I did a video to supplement the written instructions.

Your T8S should retain your settings when you turn the power off and back on again. Mine does. However, you need to give it a couple of seconds longer than with the T1® before turning it off.

To make sure we're talking about the same thing:

  1.  On the T8S, Channel 1, set the ToneMatch Preset to
    • Category: Vocal Mics
    • Preset: Neumann KMS 105
  2. Wait for 2 seconds
  3. Good audio practice - turn down the master volume to 0
  4. Turn off the power
  5. Turn it back on



The T8S should power up showing the Neumann KMS 105 Preset.

Does that work for you?

ST

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I will work on this tonight after supper. My engineer friend and I are setting the 8 up for real time play and mix tomorrow so I should get the firmware ready tonight. I'll report back soon as to the outcome. Thanks. By the way I did not see that piece of paper. I do however have a 4-fold that has firmware instructions. 

SUPER DISAPPOINTED AND FRUSTRATED.

Started at 6 pm last night to update firmware in my NEW T8S. Kept getting this message - "No compatible Bose USB device found. Please check power and connection".

After calling the Bose help desk and speaking to a woman I could not understand and after 4 hours of trying to update with 4 different 2.0 Type B USB cables and then trying another computer. We quit!

I think my first disappointment was after paying $900. for a new product, I think it should have already had the latest software upgrades installed. 

Since I won't be able to save my settings, I guess the best thing to do is put the T8S back in it's box and return it. Bummer!

Hi Chuck,

That sounds like a really frustrating experience and I'm sorry.

Forgive me for asking the obvious question. 

Did you have the T8S connected to the external power supply and turned on when you connected it to the computer?  The computer cannot provide power to the T8S through the USB port.

Were you connecting the USB cable directly to the computer or were you going through a USB hub? It should be connected directly to the computer.

Did you watch the video?

Also, please check your private messages.

ST

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