L1 Model II with new T8S

I tried your instructions about about selecting my mic KMS 105, powering down and then turning back on. I also had the TM1 next to the 8. When I turn on the TM1 my selections are saved and open with KMS 105. The 8 does not ----on numerous occasions.

I'm wondering if this is a factory defect and has anyone else reported the same problem.

How about this. Have Bose test one and see if it works.If so send that one to me and I will send mine back to them. Just thinking.

Hi. I'm still messing with the new T8S. A friend of mine is bringing his guitar (Fender Strat) over this week. He will also bring a pedal. What we did before the T8, was plug his pedal into the power stand Analog In. Then plugged his guitar into the pedal. Since the 8 is not configured the same as the T1 what is Bose's recommendation to set him up so we can both come through the T8S? Thanks

Hi Chuck,

Have your friend connect to T8S Aux in 9 or 10. This is going to be the closest to the Model II Power Stand Analog Input.

Pan to the side closest two where your friend is standing/sitting.

That should do it.

ST

Will not be able to test this until next Wed and will let you know the results. 

FYI. Something interesting did happen today however. I am running my keyboard through Channels 3-4 (test). At first I didn't notice it. but a little later I realized the right side had zero sound. I turned everything down and shut down the problem side. After waiting about 5 minutes I turned everything back on and began getting sound from both sides. Not sure what that was all about and hope it doesn't occur again. 

Hi Chuck,

If it happens again, please leave the T8S on, and turn off the L1® that is silent. Disconnect the power cable. 

Reconnect the power cable and turn it back on again after a full two minutes.  It should only take two minutes for the unit to reset.

If the sound comes back, then we've isolated the issue to the L1® (not the T8S). If the sound doesn't come back,  on the T8S - turn the power off/on. If the sound comes back then the issue is the T8S.

Please let us know if it happens again and what you discover.

Thanks,

ST

We have been putting the T8S through its paces with some value and some ????. We'd like to run everything in dual mono but have not figured that out yet. 

Ch 1 = Neuman KBS 105 mic

Ch 2 = Vocal Hamonizer (using aux 1)

Ch 3-4 = Korg Arranger Keyboard (Panned) probably need to not pan

Ch 5 = Shure 58

Ch 6 = Guitar Pedal with Fender Strat connected to it 

Many various settings on EZ, Para, Compression, Delay, Reverb, etc

Also notice that settings in delay, reverb, ez, para ez not the same as T1.

Anyone have a way for us to not come out stereo, just dual mono? Especially the effects and vocals.

Just asking, Thanks

Hi Chuck,

If you want everything to come out dual mono - pan all the inputs up the middle.

Yes, the reverb settings are different. You can read more about that here.

Reverb Settings

The ParaEQ settings are different because there are three Parametric EQs per channel. 

The effects should seem similar.

ST

Hi Chuck,

You shouldn't have a problem if they are just regular guitar stomp boxes. I hope the last one in the chain is an amp modeler or cabinet simulator.  If this is a series of pedals he normally connects to a guitar amp, this may not sound great.

ST

Hi, it's been awhile since we talked. Here is the question for the day.

I am setting up another side with power stand/stick and B1. I am doing so by running a cable from the "master out" of the T1 into one of the L1's. That will leave another "analog in" available on the other L1.

Will it not be problematic if the the guitar player uses that input to plug his foot pedal in?  This set up will allow us to get back to dual mono. Thanks

Hi Chuckm,

Good to hear from you again.

Chuckm posted:

Hi, it's been awhile since we talked. Here is the question for the day.

I am setting up another side with power stand/stick and B1. I am doing so by running a cable from the "master out" of the T1 into one of the L1's. That will leave another "analog in" available on the other L1.

Will it not be problematic if the the guitar player uses that input to plug his foot pedal in?  This set up will allow us to get back to dual mono. Thanks

That should be fine. Please let us know how it sounds.

Thanks,

ST

I'm getting ready to give the T8S another try and was reading the instructions regarding "Reverb" differences in the T1 and the new 4 & 8. It says, "If you are trying to get the same results as you had with a T1, you will have to increase the Time and Balance settings on the T4S/T8S."

What happened during the upgrade process at Bose? It seems they should have kept the same reverb settings in the T1 to the new T4/T8.

I also upgraded the firmware in the new T8S. Do I still have to increase the Time and Balance settings?

Hi Chuck,

We released the latest firmware for the T4S/T8S in late November.



Chuckm posted:

I'm getting ready to give the T8S another try and was reading the instructions regarding "Reverb" differences in the T1 and the new 4 & 8. It says, "If you are trying to get the same results as you had with a T1, you will have to increase the Time and Balance settings on the T4S/T8S."

I just updated the online notes to which you referred: T4S/T8S Reverb Settings.

Note
The Time settings are different from the T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine. There are no direct mappings of the time values in the T1 to the T4S/T8S because they use different units of measure.
If you are trying to get the same results as you had with a T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine make sure you have Firmware version 1.1.4 or later. Fine tune the settings by ear.

What happened during the upgrade process at Bose? It seems they should have kept the same reverb settings in the T1 to the new T4/T8.

Bose chose to use a different reverb engine. They engineered it to sound great, but it happened not to be the same as the T1. In response to customer feedback, they made significant changes to the reverb settings in  Firmware version 1.1.4.

I also upgraded the firmware in the new T8S. Do I still have to increase the Time and Balance settings?

If you're up to Firmware version 1.1.4 you the sound is much closer to the T1. You may like it better. Fine tune the Time and Balance settings by ear.

ST

Did some new settings with the T8S. And remembered as I was shutting things down that with the T1 there was a certain protocol to turn on and off the L1 Model II when I was using 2 sticks and the master out on the TI. Since I am now using XLR cables out of the T8, is there a certain protocol for on/off so I won't damage the speakers? Appreciate your support.

Hi Chuckm,

Great question.

Turn on - follow the signal path from source to loudspeaker

Turn off - do the reverse

Detail

Turn on

  • Turn on anything that plugs into an input on the ToneMatch mixer
  • Turn on the ToneMatch mixer
  • Turn on L1 power stand


Turn off

  • Turn off the L1 power stand
  • Turn off the ToneMatch mixer
  • Turn of anything that plugs into an input on the ToneMatch mixer


All clear?



ST

Once again, great info to have. I'll follow to the T.

FYI: I've had the new T8 for nearly three weeks, but just got around to messing with it yesterday. So far I've noticed the settings are very different regarding reverb, delay and even compression compared to the TI. But we have a long way to go so if you want I'll keep you posted. Again thanks for your help and patience.

After further review...I am using two sides and the mic is already plugged into the mixer. With the old system using the master out, If I turned off the wrong side first, there would be a **** of a noise. Don't want that with the T8. Just clarifying. Thanks

Still following the instructions provided about Turn off/on power stand protocol.

If you were facing my keyboard you wouldnotice two L1 stands with speakers. I always turn off the power stand on the right first. The mixer volume is turned down but I still hear a whining sound coming from the speaker when I turn it off. When I turn on the system I turn the power stand on the left on first with no noise. I know this may sound nitnoy but I just want make sure I'm not doing something wrong.Thanks

Hi Chuckm,

Thanks for clarifying the reason you're concerned. Don't worry. You're not doing anything wrong.



Noise During Shutdown

Q: When I turn off the Model II there is sound like flatulence. Is this normal?

A: ... we implemented an improvement which allowed the system to better withstand extreme low voltage conditions caused by brown outs etc. Units produced prior to this change were quieter during the power down sequence.

Note: This noise is only present when the system is being turned off following use. For instances where this subtle noise is objectionable you may remove the Cylindrical Radiator loudspeaker and disconnect the Speakon cable of the B1 before powering down the system.
For anyone that is experiencing noise during power down we want to assure you that your system is working properly. Also, there is no reason for customers with older power stands to be concerned with upgrading as any potential issues would have surfaced by now.
Source: Noise During Shutdown

All good?

ST

And one more thing. Per Bose instructions and fine tutoring we have things set up and running with the new T8S. One thing we have noticed however is that one of the B1's isn't producing as much bottom as the other side. We have:

Checked the volume balance on the L1 stands and they are equal

Checked the cable that connects the B1 to the LI stand by installing a new cable

So far we have not been able to resolved the issue. Any ideas?

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