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I do a couple big parties a year, I have a couple questions. The room is approximately 100 ft wide by 175 deep.  Stage  about twenty five feet wide. I set up a L1 model 2 with B2 base units on each side of stage. Can I hook up my one F1 812 in the middle of the stage using the other output on my T1.   We seat about 300 people at the event. The event is a dance party.  I never used the F1 812 before. Do you think I need it with the two L1. 

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Hi Harvey,

Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community.  Welcome.



The F1 Model 812 can give you more volume (than the L1 systems) for the dance floor. 



Do you already have the F1 Model 812?



How are you connecting the two L1 systems?





Thanks,



ST


I'm interested to hear the outcome.  I have two L1s and I intend to purchase two f1s to add for larger venues.  I heard a guy at an outdoor venue with that set-up and it sounded great.  I assume I just use the aux out for the f1s and the normal speaker outs for the l1 sustems.

Reply for ST, 

Yes, I already have the F1.  

I hook the two L1s by going from the base unit out plug to bottom left plug in on the tone 1 unit.  I’ve been using the two L-1 units for about five years together four or five time’s a year.  I’ve just updated the one unit with a B2 base.  I have two B1 also.  But I think the B2 sounds better than both B1 together.  So I updated.  For small parties, I use just the one B1, so I don’t have to carry the weight of the B2.  for a party of 20-30 people I use a Pro-1 Bluetooth.  I have two big parties coming next year so want to use the F1 for all the sound I can get.




Edit - removed all caps. (IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE YELLING)
Bose Pro Community Admin 

Harvey,

I have had great success with a crowd of 200 people in a room about that size using an L1 paired with an L1 Compact. That said, we were set up at a "narrow" end of the room so there were no dispersion problems. Also it was a listening crowd, with solo vocalists/guitar performers.

At another event in the same room, the stage was set in the middle of the longer wall. Having the second system was essential because the spread was just too wide, even for the Bose columns.

A good deal of your Ompf is going to come from those B2s. Still, if your crowd is bigger and is more of a dance crowd you will probably want the F1 as added "insurance".

 

MDH

Hi, Harvey,

Thanks for the added information.

Harvey posted:

Reply for ST, 

Yes, I already have the F1.  

I hook the two L1s by going from the base unit out plug to bottom left plug in on the tone 1 unit. 

It sounds like you're doing this:

T1 to two L1 Model II systems



I’ve been using the two L-1 units for about five years together four or five time’s a year.  I’ve just updated the one unit with a B2 base.  I have two B1 also.  But I think the B2 sounds better than both B1 together.  So I updated.  For small parties, I use just the one B1, so I don’t have to carry the weight of the B2.  for a party of 20-30 people I use a Pro-1 Bluetooth.  I have two big parties coming next year so want to use the F1 for all the sound I can get.

It sounds like you're having a great time using all your Bose gear.

Harvey posted:

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Can I hook up my one F1 812 in the middle of the stage using the other output on my T1.   

Yes. You can connect the T1 Aux output to the F1 Model 812.  Here's how you set that up.

T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine Aux Output
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 Use a cable like this

OR

There's no reverb on the Aux output but you may not notice that if you are using the F1 Model 812 in front of the stage or directed at the dance floor.

ST

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ST,    

Thanks for the pictures. That’s how I have the L1 hooked up.  I tried the F1 using your picture on the bottom right output. I don’t have the cables you showed. I have 1/4 but not stereo. Won’t play so I ordered the correct cables. Thanks for your help. Love pictures.  

Hi Harvey,

You're welcome.

You can use an ordinary 1/4 inch (6.3mm) Tip-Sleeve instrument cable (guitar cable) from the T1 Aux to the F1 Model 812.

This should work, but you will have a better signal to noise ratio and better noise rejection if you use a cable like the ones I showed in the pictures.

ST

Hi, Harvey.

Unfortunately, there isn't a simple way to control the Aux send volume.

There are a couple of approaches you can take.

Tap Point Post: After Fader

You can set the volume control for the Aux sends by adjusting the individual channel level controls and the volume on the F1 Model 812 systems.

If you set the Tap point to Post: After Fader, the volume sent to the Aux output will go up and down with the Level setting and channel volume.

OR

Tap Point Pre: With EQ & FX

If you set the Tap point to Pre: with EQ and FX, the volume sent to the Aux output will go up and down with the Level setting, but not the channel volume.

For changes on the fly, manage the volume on the F1 Model 812 systems.

ST

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Hi, Harvey.

Harvey posted:

I have to adjust volume on the back of the F1.  I’m using channel 4/5 on the T1.  What am I doing wrong

Yes. Unfortunately, there isn't a simple way to control the Aux send volume.

Are you using the T1 Aux output?

T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine Aux Output

--∈∞ΘΞ Please click the picture for more details ΞΘ∞∋--    

Did you see my notes above about using the Tap Points - Post and Pre?

ST

Yes I set all the channels up with after fader just like the picture. Still does not control the volume with the volume button. All the pictures show channel one as example so I did all channels to the same setting. I’ve used EQ, dry all of them. Is there an update for the T1 that I might need?  Everything is set up in garage so it would only take me minutes to try anything you suggest. 

 

Thanks for your suggestions 

Hi, Harvey.



Harvey posted:

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Is there an update for the T1 that I might need?

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What version level is your T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine? (T1® for short)

  1. Turn the Rotary Selector to Prefs


  2. Press the first button


  3. Turn the first button until you see Versions
  4. Press the button


  5. The versions for the firmware will be displayed. The versions shown below are sample values.
    See:T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine Firmware Updates for the latest firmware


  6. See:T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine Firmware Updates for the latest firmware



Right now the latest T1® firmware is 1.8.

What have you got?

Notes: What version of the T1® Firmware do I have?



ST

Hi, Harvey.

Harvey posted:

Yes I set all the channels up with after fader just like the picture. Still does not control the volume with the volume button.

Note: The Aux output is always independent of the Master Volume regardless of how you set the Tap point.



All the pictures show channel one as example so I did all channels to the same setting. I’ve used EQ, dry all of them.

If you set the Tap point to Pre: With EQ & FX

The channel volume controls will have no effect on the signal sent to the Aux Output. However, you can use the Level setting



If you set the Tap point to Post: After Fader

The channel volume controls will affect the signal sent to the L1s and F1s.

The Level setting will also affect the signal sent to the F1s (but not the L1s).

To get a better idea of how things work, try this:

  • Set the Tap points to Post: After Fader
  • Turn the Master Volume off (so you won't hear anything from the L1 systems).
  • With a signal running through each channel (1 through 4/5), turn the channel volume controls up and down. Also, try the CHMute buttons.

THEN

Turn up the Master Volume - it should control the volume to the L1 systems without affecting the volume to the F1 systems.

Are you getting these results?

ST

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Thanks   This last reply works. With the volume wide open on F1 and L1 and master on T1 I can control the volume with the 4/5 volume control.   I adjusted the level control volume and Tap to Post.  
you asked earlier and I missed it. My T1 version is 

DSP Fireware 1.8

 

Bose Presets 1.1

Bose scenes 1.0. 

thanks for your patience 

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