I own a Roland TD30.....which L1?

i have a Roland v-drum kit TD30 and it's located in a room inside the house....it's just for personal use....no gigs.....is a L1 compact enough? Or do I need a bigger system. Maybe I'll play with a friend with a guitar but that's it.....just family audience at the house? L1 compact is good enough? Good kick/bass drum for the room?

regards

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Hi Gatodrums,

First of all let me welcome you to the forum. Thanks for joining our community.

Now to your question.

I have both a Compact and a Model II with a B1. My wife has a Roland TD6V set. I've not actually amplified her drums at all tip to now as she plays them through headphones. If she wanted me to amplify them just for once in a while I'd probably use the Compact just for the ease of setting it up. This would however probably result in the Kick Drums lacking in power in the lower frequencies. If it were to be on a more permanent basis I would more than likely set up the Model II.

You wrote: "Maybe I'll play with a friend with a guitar but that's it.....just family audience at the house? L1 compact is good enough? Good kick/bass drum for the room?"

If you're sure that you'll never want to take the drums anywhere and money is a problem, then you may be happy with a Compact. If however you at some point want to play live with the kit you may well be a bit unhappy that you made the compromise. What should sound pretty good would be a Model lS with a B2 Bass. Not nearly as cheap as a Compact but probably much more satisfying for you as a Drummer. If money's not a limiting factor, then you would probably be happier with a larger system (even maybe a Model II with a B2 Bass if you can really afford it without having to go on "bread and water" for the next few months or so).

Do you have a Bose dealer in your area so that you could maybe try out the different systems? We can all give you our own personal feelings on the subject, but it's you who has to live and be happy with what you buy.

Has this helped in any way?

Tony

 

Hi Tony (Seagullman),

Seagullman posted:
I have both a Compact and a Model II with a B1. My wife has a Roland TD6V set. I've not actually amplified her drums at all tip to now as she plays them through headphones. If she wanted me to amplify them just for once in a while I'd probably use the Compact just for the ease of setting it up. This would however probably result in the Kick Drums lacking in power in the lower frequencies. If it were to be on a more permanent basis I would more than likely set up the Model II.
I would be very interested in your impressions (both of you) if you connect the Roland TDV6 set to the Compact and then the Model II with the B1.
If you have the time to try it out, I'd really appreciate it.
ST
Seagullman posted:

Hi Gatodrums,

First of all let me welcome you to the forum. Thanks for joining our community.

Now to your question.

I have both a Compact and a Model II with a B1. My wife has a Roland TD6V set. I've not actually amplified her drums at all tip to now as she plays them through headphones. If she wanted me to amplify them just for once in a while I'd probably use the Compact just for the ease of setting it up. This would however probably result in the Kick Drums lacking in power in the lower frequencies. If it were to be on a more permanent basis I would more than likely set up the Model II.

You wrote: "Maybe I'll play with a friend with a guitar but that's it.....just family audience at the house? L1 compact is good enough? Good kick/bass drum for the room?"

If you're sure that you'll never want to take the drums anywhere and money is a problem, then you may be happy with a Compact. If however you at some point want to play live with the kit you may well be a bit unhappy that you made the compromise. What should sound pretty good would be a Model lS with a B2 Bass. Not nearly as cheap as a Compact but probably much more satisfying for you as a Drummer. If money's not a limiting factor, then you would probably be happier with a larger system (even maybe a Model II with a B2 Bass if you can really afford it without having to go on "bread and water" for the next few months or so).

Do you have a Bose dealer in your area so that you could maybe try out the different systems? We can all give you our own personal feelings on the subject, but it's you who has to live and be happy with what you buy.

Has this helped in any way?

Tony

 

Tony

Thanks for the advise, as a matter of fact, there is a Bose dealer here (I live in Costa Rica), I will ask them if I can try both systems....they also do sell Roland V-drums (maybe no need to take my kit). I will take in consideration about going live someday and maybe buy the bigger one!!. You got me thinking on that one....!!

Hi Gatodrums,

regarding this "I will take in consideration about going live someday and maybe buy the bigger one!!. You got me thinking on that one....!!"

I thought I'd throw the idea into the discussion because it would be a real shame if you went for the Compact which may well serve you acceptably (with maybe limitations on the Kick) at home, but which would probably leave you being unhappy nit you do decide to gig with it at some time. As I said already I'd probably then go with a B2 as it's cheaper than 2 B1's and can punch like 3 or 4 B1's. You'd probably also be able to "feel" the kick if you use a B2.

It's also a bonus for you having a Bose dealer nearby, especially one that sells Roland V-drums. I would think they'll let you try out the systems with the drums in the shop. After all, they're hoping to sell you something. 

Just out of interest. Should you decide on a Model 1S or maybe even a Model II, would you be going directly into the analog input from the V-Drums or would you be using a T1 or other mixer? If you were to play with a guitarist you'd need a mixer anyway as there's only 1 analog input on the units (Model 1S and Model II). That's just something to think about if you go for a larger model. The Compact has a 1/4" (6.3mm) input and also 1/8" (3.5mm) and RCA inputs on channel2. If you were to go for a Compact without using a mixer you'd have to adjust the outputs on the instrument preamps themselves.

GOcsteve wrote: "I got a pair of compacts and have been using them in my studio with my digital drums and while the kick is a little less than desired, everything else is just fine!" which tends to support my feeling that the Compact could be a little lacking in bass for the Kick. The rest should be OK in a house setting.

I'll be really interested to hear what you eventually decide on and why.

Tony

 

ST,

regarding this: "I would be very interested in your impressions (both of you) if you connect the Roland TDV6 set to the Compact and then the Model II with the B1. If you have the time to try it out, I'd really appreciate it."

When I have the Model II out the next time I'll ask my wife if she'll play through the systems for me. The Compact is no problem to move around but the Model II is up a small spiral staircase in one part of the house and the drums (believe it or not) are set up in our bedroom, which is up another set of stairs in another part of the house. I would think that the Model II even with only 1 B1 should win the contest, but if I was going to play the drums live I would think I'd be looking at a B2 for the lower end.

Come to think of it, doesn't Pete (Drumr) have E-Drums? As a drummer with Compacts and Model II's I would have thought that he's already tried out all permutations.

Tony

 

Hi Gatodrums,

"Thanks again for the advice Tony"

You're more than welcome.

"I was thinking of buying the T1 as well..even with the compact"

Good choice. Just don't forget that with the Compact you'll need the Power Supply for it as the Compact doesn't have a Tonematch Port.

"How about the F1 812? In price is similar to the compact and that would be a good choice? Someone else just recommend me that."

As far as the Bass response goes the F1 Model 812 should win hands down against the Compact. The 812 goes down to 42Hz whereas the Compact only goes down to 60Hz. The 812 should also be much louder than the Compact. The 812 will, however not give you the same 180° horizontal sound coverage that the L1 systems give. We're talking about 2 completely different sound systems here. The F1 system is more like a "normal" PA and with a similar type of sound coverage and sound pressures. The L1 family of products don't offer you the same high sound pressures but the sound carries much further than a "normal" PA without falling off in Volume as quickly. It depends on what you're looking for. I personally have no real experience with the F1 system as it's not something which fulfills my sound requirements. ST, who replied earlier in the thread has all the L1 and F1 models and would therefore be better qualified as regards advice on the F1 series. 

Maybe you should test them all out when you visit the Bose Dealer.

Has this been of any help?

Tony

 

Hi gatodrums,

Gatodrums posted:

i have a Roland v-drum kit TD30 and it's located in a room inside the house....it's just for personal use....no gigs.....is a L1 compact enough? Or do I need a bigger system. Maybe I'll play with a friend with a guitar but that's it.....just family audience at the house? L1 compact is good enough? Good kick/bass drum for the room?

If you are playing at modest volumes, I think that the Compact will be fine. An L1® Model 1S or L1® Model II with a B2 will be considerably better for the kick drum.  However, for the most cost-effective solution, the F1 Model 812 looks appealing.  The Compact is more portable, but the difference in weight (30 pounds vs 45 / 12 kg vs 20 kg) won't matter if you're not planning to move it around. The F1 Model 812 takes a tiny bit less floor space than the Compact if you leave it on the floor.  They are about the same width and the Compact is just a little bit longer from front to back.

Definitely take advantage of the opportunity to hear all the models at the dealer.

Thanks again for the advice Tony....I was thinking of buying the T1 as well..even with the compact. How about the F1 812? In price is similar to the compact and that would be a good choice? Someone else just recommend me that.

If you're planning to amplify visitors (guitarist, singers) you will want the T1® with at T1 Power Supply. This will work fine with any of the Bose systems.  You won't need the T1 Power Supply if you get a Model 1S or Model II. 

Note: If you use the F1 Model 812 for drums you'll be okay placing it on the floor with the flexible array in the reverse-J position. 

If you plan to have others use it too, then you might want to get a proper tripod stand and then it will take up more floor space. Imagine circle about a meter in diameter to plan for the stand.

Note: About the specifications, I normally look at the (-3 dB)

On paper, there's not a lot of difference between the L1® Compact and the F1 Model 812.  From personal experience, the low end from the F1 Model 812 is appreciably deeper and louder than the Compact. The Model 1S with a B2 goes down to 40 Hz (-3 dB), but I don't think that it's louder.  Here's some information about frequencies to help you to put all the numbers into context. 

Ultimately, I think you'll be happiest making your choice after you get to compare things at the dealer.

Have fun!

ST

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Tony Thanks for the update! You´ve been very helpful.

ST...that´s quite an explanation....not only help me with my decision, but also learned something! That´s great! Really appreciate everybody´s help here!. I´ll review this info and figure out which one I´ll buy. Regards

Hi Gatodrums,

ST wrote: "If you are playing at modest volumes, I think that the Compact will be fine. An L1® Model 1S or L1® Model II with a B2 will be considerably better for the kick drum.  However, for the most cost-effective solution, the F1 Model 812 looks appealing.  The Compact is more portable, but the difference in weight (30 pounds vs 45 / 12 kg vs 20 kg) won't matter if you're not planning to move it around. The F1 Model 812 takes a tiny bit less floor space than the Compact if you leave it on the floor.  They are about the same width and the Compact is just a little bit longer from front to back.

Definitely take advantage of the opportunity to hear all the models at the dealer."

I would agree with this wholeheartedly with one reservation. If you wish the drums to sound the same everywhere in the room there's nothing better than an L1 system. If that's not so important, then ST's right when he says "However, for the most cost-effective solution, the F1 Model 812 looks appealing."

The Musical Instrument Frequency Range Chart is a good thing for everyone who amplifies/records Music to have at his/her disposal. It makes setting EQ's so much easier if you know what you're dealing with. The only thing to remember is that each instrument has its own overtones which are an important and integral part of that instrument's sound.

Regarding this from ST: "Please come back and tell us what you decide to get, and how you like it."

Very much so, please.

Tony

Hi Tony,

I've been in several situations where a single F1 Model 812 effectively covered a room. The 100° horizontal dispersion can serve you very well if you can place the F1 so that the listening audience is in the coverage area.  I've done this by aiming diagonally across the audience area.

How well this works depends on the size of the room.

ST

ST posted:

Hi Tony,

I've been in several situations where a single F1 Model 812 effectively covered a room. The 100° horizontal dispersion can serve you very well if you can place the F1 so that the listening audience is in the coverage area.  I've done this by aiming diagonally across the audience area.

How well this works depends on the size of the room.

ST

100° horizontal coverage isn't at all bad for "normal" loudspeakers. I was just trying to get Gatodrums to really consider what he's really looking for. With an L1 system (180° horizontal coverage) I don't really need to worry about where I place the loudspeakers in normal shaped rooms (quadratic/rectangular) as they're going to be heard everywhere with the same clarity including, the musician himself/themselves if they're in front of the loudspeakers. And the volume remains very similar throughout the room (if it's not too big). With only 100° of horizontal coverage I'm not guaranteed that and would normally have to make compromises. There's also the difference in volume in the room to be considered. The "throw" of an L1 compared to an F1. That's really all I wanted to say.

Regarding cost/effectivity, there's probably nothing to beat a single F1 Model 812. It's horses for courses ST. Once Gatodrums has decided what he's really looking for/aiming at he can make the decision that best suits him. We're just showing/suggesting which situations could maybe arise so that he doesn't just buy one system without even considering the others. I do, however, know that choice can sometimes make decisions difficult. I'll be extremely interested to know on which system Gatodrums eventually decides and why.

Tony

 

Hi Guys!! I wanna thank everybody for the support on this topic. Fortunately ( I could say), my wife came with a present this weekend and to my surprise it was the F1 812 Loudspeaker......kind a cool gesture from the wife...right?. She asked about it at the store (obviously didnt have much info about it)...but at the store she got that recommendation and she thought that I would like it. So...end of story, I hit the e-drums yesterday in the 400 square feet room with concrete walls (ST question) and it was amazing. Room is quite small...therefore the sound coverage was perfect. Then again...thks a lot for the help. Take care everybody!

Hi Gatodrums,

Great news and congratulations from me too. Nice for you to have such an understanding (and apparently loving) wife. I do, however, think that it was nice of her to wait until you'd posted your question on the forum otherwise we may not have had the pleasure of "meeting" you.

Please keep us posted as to things you might get up to with your new gear (gigs etc. and gigs at home count too). We have a forum here called "At the Gig and Rehearsal" for just such things. Any experience you gather here could be extremely interesting, informative and helpful to anyone looking to amplify E-Drums. 

Just as an example regarding the "At the Gig and Rehearsal" forum, here's a link to a story I posted there at the end of last year (if you're interested of course).

https://www.bosepro.community/...ii-gig-and-a-new-fan

Take care, have lots of fun with your F 812 and don't forget to "show your face" here once in a while.

Tony

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