L1 Model II

Let's talk about the L1® Portable Line Array Systems

Using proprietary Bose® technology, L1 systems combine  PA and monitors into a single, highly portable unit. The  loudspeaker can be positioned behind or to the side —and you hear what the audience hears.

Highly portable PA and monitor combined for solo performers, DJs and general-purpose use. Fixed vertical control with 180° horizontal coverage Reduced vulnerability to feedback.

Three systems to choose from (Compact, Model 1S, Model II)
Two passive bass module options (B1 or B2)
Consistent coverage and tonal balance, portability and easy setup.

Help choosing between the Model I and the Model II

Well, two is my favorite number, so (after Ken's opening in these new Model II forums), I am tickled to be the second poster as well.

Second poster...Model II...another system...see the theme?

I like symmetry. I've had my single L1 for almost 3 years (as have many here). If I wanted to buy a Model II, how different are they really going to look or sound next to each other on the stage behind me? Will it be "lop-sided" in appearance and/or sound quality?

Any difference in B1's with the Model II?

Thanks!

Nathan
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Any difference in B1's with the Model II?


The B1's for the model I and model II are the same.

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I am right in assuming the new Model II has an improved speaker array? I think i saw the word 'articulated' being used as well as improved sound 'to the side'. So, although, the cylinder looks the same it is updated?


Yes. The array has been improved to give the widest, most even sound coverage across the room that we can deliver.

BUT, I want to establish that the difference between the two arrays is not like the difference between conventional gear and the L1 model I.

With the L1mI, if an *experienced* listener closed their eyes and walked around the room, they could tell approximately how far 'off axis' (what angle they were standing relative to the speaker) they were. With the model II, the listener cannot tell what angle they are relative to the speaker array

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If I wanted to buy a Model II, how different are they really going to look or sound next to each other on the stage behind me? Will it be "lop-sided" in appearance and/or sound quality?


They look great next to each other. To the untrained eye, you would not know the difference. The trained eye wouldn't know until you got close.

You certainly can use them together at the same time. It sounds great, there is no problem with the slightly different patterns somehow 'interacting' with each other.

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What is the weight of the new base? I am right that the legs fold or slide in for transport?


The new base is ~18 lbs. It's much lighter than a B1 or put another way...tt weighs only a touch more than my jazz bass in its case. The legs fold in, so it is very easy to transport. I haven't tried it yet, but my Camry could probably fit eight or more single-bass model II systems.

MikeZ
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I am right in assuming the new Model II has an improved speaker array? I think i saw the word 'articulated' being used as well as improved sound 'to the side'. So, although, the cylinder looks the same it is updated?



That's right -- it looks similar, but there are some important updates. "Articulated" refers to the fact that the individual drivers in the Model II are angled slightly to the sides in an alternating pattern. (In the L1 classic, they're all facing straight ahead.) So both the L1 classic and Model II have extremely wide coverage (nearly 180 degrees,) but the M II gives you the most consistent tone as you move side to side.

We've all been impressed with the off-axis performance of the L1 Classic - the articulated array in the M II takes that even further.
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but my Camry could probably fit eight or more single-bass model II systems.

MikeZ


At the next owners conference, instead of quickness of setup competition, we could see who can fit the most L1 Model II systems into their vehicle. Smile
So, should I send back the M1 I just bought before my 45 days are up (I have a coupla more weeks), and grab the MII?

Can't say yet, I guess, since the details of the new unit are not yet available!

I am still looking for a reverb unit that sounds decent - it is a necessity - if you are a professional singer, the "use the reverb in the room" line just doesn't cut it.

Having bought and returned a picoverb (very processed sound - totally sucked), I am now looking for a Lexicon LXP-1. I'm wondering what the sound of the reverb in this new unit is like? Hopefully, not the usual stick on a coupla digital echoey sounds that usually come with a mixer, but there won't be any way to know for sure until you can hear it.

That alone MIGHT make it worth the cost of shipping this sucker back, and shelling out the extra $ (whatever they may be...)
L1 Model II with one B1 and a T1 (you can only get it with a B1 AFAIK, because unlike the Model I you MUST use the Model II with a B1...different voicing.....): $2999

L1 Model II with one B1 and NO T1 (for DJs): $2499

T1 alone: $499

Note to Bose: It would make sense to offer existing owners the option of purchasing an L1 Model II system without a B1...since the B1 isn't changing, we shouldn't be forced to buy a new one, right?
I have been an L1 user since 2003 and added the packlite and additional B1's when it was introduced. As a drummer (edrums)should I be excited about the Model II and I guess more specifically the T1 ToneMatch technology. I want to stay with the available/emerging technology, but I also want to purchase wisely.
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I have been an L1 user since 2003 and added the packlite and additional B1's when it was introduced. As a drummer (edrums)should I be excited about the Model II and I guess more specifically the T1 ToneMatch technology. I want to stay with the available/emerging technology, but I also want to purchase wisely.


A nice thing is that you don't have to buy the model II to get the benfits of the T1(tm). You can get the benfits of the T1(tm) by adding it to your existing setup. You don't have to take the plunge all at once.
Here's how I'm looking at it (as a user...as an AD rep there are other concerns):

- Am I happy with what my Model I does? YES!
- Do I feel a pressing need for my Model I to do anything it does not already do? NO!

So...Do I NEED a Model II? NOT REALLY.

Do I WANT a Model II? Oh, sure.

ToneMatch is a "better" set of presets, whatever "better" means. Remember, a preset is nothing more than pre-configured EQ. Are you happy with your sound the way it is? If you can honestly answer "yes," then why do you need something else?

Keep a clear eye on what makes the L1 so special: It's the cylindrical radiator. That is the essential element, and your existing systems have it. Everything else is enhancement.
MikeZ:
I guess maybe I didn't ask the question very well. When the Packlite was introduced. It was clear this was a drummer's and bass player's dream. While I know I can ease into a new system, the question is more specifically as a drummer will the T1 help me with sound reinforcement for drums. Also, I would like to echo Andrew's thought. I currently have 4 B1's so if I purchased a Model II, I clearly would not need and additional B1(-$300).
Finally for now, does the packlite integrate smoothly with the Model II.
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While I know I can ease into a new system, the question is more specifically as a drummer will the T1 help me with sound reinforcement for drums.


This totally depends on what your needs are. If you want to use effects or need more channels than what your current L1(tm) provides then the T1(tm) would be a good addition. If you are totally happy with everything you have now then certainly stick with that. The introduction of the model II / T1(tm) doesn't devalue the L1(tm) Classic. It will sund just as good today as it did a week ago.

For drummers who mic their acoustic kick drums, the T1(tm) has a brand new technology that we have not talked about here yet: the KickGate. This is a new (and Bose patented) algoirthm in the T1(tm) that completely eliminates feedback from kick drum mics, allowing the drummer to turn up the kick drum to as loud as he/she wants. It also tightens up the sound of the band considerably, as there is no more of that 'kick mic on the edge of feedback' boominess. This is a big step forward, and some may find that to them this is worth the upgrade. I hope to shoot a video of this feature in action soon for a demo to post here.

Hope this helps...
MikeZ
I think Andrew actually summed it up pretty nicely. If the L1 classic is doing what you need, there might not be any need to upgrade. On the other hand, if you've been wishing for things like more inputs, built-in effects, channel mute buttons, easier software updating, etc., etc., then the T1 would be a really powerful upgrade to your current system.

For drummers, I think the T1 is going to be a really useful tool, with 3 mic inputs plus the kick gate Mike Z was talking about. Also, I know that my drummer is going to be very happy about the articulated array in the new Model II loudspeaker. With our setup, he usually ends up all the way back up against the back wall of the stage, particularly in smaller venues. This usually puts his ears about even with -- if not slightly behind -- at least one of the L1s. That's the perfect position to really hear the difference that Articulated Array speaker design makes.
A key point that is probably going to get a bit lost in the excitement is that the Model II is NOT a replacement for the Model I. The Model I is, and will continue to be, a very viable product.

Having said that, I think that ultimately sales of the Model II will absolutely gut the Model I. Smile
Jesse:
Yes I understand the back wall thing because while the concept of the drummer being on the front line is nice, I still wind up behind the singer most of the time in small places. So the Articulating Array is an extremely interesting concept, but as I think about it, it would be best from a drummers "back wall" perspective if others in the band had the model II.

And let me say upfront (just so I am saying it) I like what I have, but I like being a cutting edge guy, so I am working through the want vs. need thing. I liked my double bass system prior to the packlite but now life without the packlite would not be complete. So while I don't know if it always applies to everything, I once heard a musician say "you should buy the best instrument you can afford". It won't necessarily make you play any better, because there is no substitute for practice, but it will help you make fewer purchases in the long run. So the question I must answer: Is 2007 the time for the next logical step is my evolution, and is the T1 or Model II the move.
I'm going through the predictable phases of coming to terms with the Model II

- Excitement at the announcement
- Trepidation about the likely cost
- Awe at how cool the new product is
- Shock and depression once the cost is revealed
- Desperate rationalization in an attempt to justify purchase....

Wink
There are going to be three systems:

L1(tm) Classic ... the one everyone has now
L1(tm) Model I
L1(tm) Model II

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How about the Classic compared to the new Model I? Any compatibility issues there?


Good question.

The 'new' model I will functionally equivalent to the current L1(tm) Classic. Same I/O, same acoustic output, same radiation pattern. We had to update the internal electronics so that we could continue selling the product in the EU. As some of you may know, this is the Reduction of Hazardous Substances (RoHS) measure.

There will be some slight differences that will make the new model I incompatible with the L1(tm) Classic. You will not be able to put an L1 (tm) Classic line array into a new model I powerstand and vice-versa.

The other differences will be the elimination of the speakon connectors on the back (amp 1 and 2 ins and outs) and the addition of more presets for a new Presets 3.0 set.

I will say it again - the systems are functionally equivalent, they sound the same. Set up side by side, A/B'ing back and in the lab forth I can not tell the difference.

These new model I's will begin appearing in Europe soon and in the U.S in the coming months.

The practical significance is that if you are gigging with other L1 owners, and one person has a model I, and the other a Classic, you will just have to keep the line arrays and the power stands together.

MikeZ
Hi all,

Man, the buzz on these boards is giving me goosebumps! Eek
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Originally posted by Tom Munch:
Will there be refurb L1 Classics to replace returned L1 Classics for repair (at least in the U.S.)?
That's the plan, Tom...
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Originally posted by dave42:
Same wattage??
I don't know the power (Watts) spec of the Model II Dave, but I do recall Mike Z sharing a proud moment with me when he measured the full-tilt (maximum volume) sound pressure levels of the Classic vs. the Model 1 as being within a fraction of a dB (undetectable)!!! I forget which one was a fraction of a dB louder, but as far as our ears are concerned, they're identical...
Chuck,

It might be smart to change the connector on the L1MI powerstand & cylindrical radiator so that there is no possibility of mismatching the L1MI & L1C (Classic). Just in case no one has thought of that, it could really solve some support nightmares.

Tom
Hi:
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"...You will not be able to put an L1 (tm) Classic line array into a new model I powerstand and vice-versa...

The practical significance is that if you are gigging with other L1 owners, and one person has a model I, and the other a Classic, you will just have to keep the line arrays and the power stands together."

Does this mean that the speaker towers are keyed to prevent a mix-up, or does it mean that you have to pay attention not to accidentally mix them up? If the latter, wouldn't a keyed insert make it impossible to mix them up?

Stu
Tom,

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It might be smart to change the connector on the L1MI powerstand & cylindrical radiator so that there is no possibility of mismatching the L1MI & L1C (Classic). Just in case no one has thought of that, it could really solve some support nightmares.


This has been taken account. You can't put a model I array into a Classic powerstand. This could have cuased damage if it was possible. However, it is possible to do it the other way around. There won't be any damage, but you will experience a loss in total volume.
Dave,

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Same wattage??


The total acoustic output (what matters) of the Classic and model I is functionally identical.

First, this disclaimer: Smile
Wattage can be misleading on an integrated system like the L1(tm). Acoustic output is what matters. As Steve-at-Bose likes to say, 'What's brighter, a 75W incadescent bulb, or a 15W fluorescent?' What matters with lightbulbs is the total brightness, not the power consumtion. Same thing with speakers, the sound output is what matters, not power consumption.

That being said, the wattage of the model I is 500W, as opposed to 750W on the classic. We were able to do this by optimizing the total system design and better matching the amplifiers to the speakers. This is part of the reason that the two systems do not have intecrchangable pieces.

The total wattage on the model II is also 500W. We were able to get the same acoustic output as the Classic with light weight using some cutting edge power amplifiers.

But again, the total acoustic output of the three systems is virtually identical. The model I and II are just more power efficient.


MikeZ
I have been postponing my purchase until I got to see the Mdl II. I must admit I'm underwhelmed.

It all looks great, but it's still about $1,000 too high, IMHO. I could see a single B1 Mdl I going for about $1500 and the Mdl II with T1and single B1 going for $2,000.

You'll probably still sell a fair number, but I think you missed the mark on the price.

How much can a chip with effects on it cost? $1? $5? Probably about right. Plenty of vendors lined up out there.

Close, but just too much $.

BC
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Originally posted by bcarr22:
I have been postponing my purchase until I got to see the Mdl II. I must admit I'm underwhelmed.

Close, but just too much $.

BC


You know of course that thousands of Classics have been sold over the last 3 years at the same price as the currently advertised price of the Model I.

I can understand being a bit underwhelmed if you haven't yet experienced the L1 system, but, the fact is; Working in front of an L1 is an experience that can't be purchased for any price from any other company because no one else has it.

Ease of transport, Quick setup, Peace of mind in knowing you control what sound you get at the gig, and the audience will hear it like you hear it, Priceless.

O

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