F1 system for Church Auditorium?

Hello! 

This is my first post! Happy to be a part of this community!

I pastor a small church in south Louisiana called All Cities Church

Our auditorium space is 70' wide by 45' deep, 

150 seats -  120 person average on Sundays

18' side walls up to 26' peak

Finished drywall all the way around - no acoustical treatment

We currently run ---

4 - Wharfedale 15" 2 way passive speakers 

Two of the horns and one of the woofers is out on these units, 3 separate units. So we are needing to replace them. 

For subs we are running 

2 - JBL Mpro 2-15" 

2 - JBL jrx 1-18" 

Our Mixer

Midas M32r 

I am looking at 2-  F1 812 systems (tops and subs) as a replacement for all of our current speakers.

Our musical style is very contemporary worship music.

We have a full band - Acoustic drums (full cage - miked), Electric guitar, Acoustic guitar, Keys, Bass, Multiple vocalists and backing tracks to fill all of the spaces. 

We are a younger church, so we like it LOUD. 

We play music from Elevation worship, Bethel worship, Hillsong United.

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My question is

Will the F1 812 system be a good fit for our small meeting space? 

I'm looking to make a good investment as funds are rather tight. 

Thanks in advance for any help!

 

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Hi Caleb,

Thank you for joining the Community. I'm glad you're here.

You wrote: "Will the F1 812 system be a good fit for our small meeting space? "

The short answer is: Yes!

You told us:

  • Our auditorium space is 70' wide by 45' deep, 
  • 150 seats -  120 person average on Sundays

Please tell us about the stage. Width, Depth, Height?

Thanks,

ST

Hey ST. 

Thank for the reply!

 

I'm going to attach a few images of our space with some measurements. 

Let me know if you need anything else. 

Thanks for the help!

The stage is 25' deep, but only takes up 14' of the 45' of the room. 

As you can see in the photos we have that inlet on the back wall that is not included in the 45'x70' figure 

The inlet is 8' deep by 26' wide

The stage is 17.5' on the front end and angles back to 39' 

Stage height is 29.5" 

Congregants stand during the music portion of the service and sit for the sermon. 

 

Hope the photos help and my measurements aren't too confusing. 

Thanks!!

 

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Hi Caleb,

Thanks for the added information and the pictures. That looks like a wonderful space.

You should be fine with a couple ofF1 Stacks (F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer) in this space. You'll appreciate the control you have over the vertical dispersion. You can use the flexible array to minimize the sound that goes up to the ceiling that might otherwise cause excessive reverberation. Depending on whether you put the F1s on floor or the stage, you can use the flexible array to ensure the congregants will hear the sermons while seated.  I don't expect you will use the two settings on the right (Reverse-J or C-position)

What are you planning to do for monitors?

ST

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Thanks for the reply!

So in your opinion we should be covered with two stacks for a full band? 

We have an in ear monitor system for everyone on stage, and we run everything direct (electric, bass) except the drums. 

 

Is a permanent flown install an option? With the subs on the stage or under the stage on the floor? 

Hi Caleb,

Yes, I think you'll be covered with two F1 stacks for the full band.  There's a lot of sound per pound.

Thanks for the information about the monitors.   Sounds like you're all set.

We have wall mount brackets for the F1 Model 812s. We don't have rigging to fly them. Is this a matter of aesthetics? 

Pan and Tilt Bracket

U-Bracket Mounting Kit

Yoke Mounting Kit



One great thing about the F1 Model 812s - they are portable. Even without the F1 Subwoofer, they sound great and at 45 pounds each, you can take them to remote events or outdoors. Would that be useful for your congregation?  

As for the F1 Subwoofers: You can put them on, or in front of the stage on the floor. You might get some bass build-up on the stage though. It's nice that they are easy to move around until you find the setup that works best for you.

ST

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Ok great! 

What would your recommended placement be? 

For the subs as well, is placing the two units next to each other recommended? Or are they better separated? 

Our current speakers are flown and I do like the look of it, but I'm not against placing them on the stage. 

I can definitely see the value of just grabbing them and bringing them to another event of needed. 

Thanks so much for the help. 

Sorry if this feels like 21 questions, I just haven't found alot of info about people using them in a scenario like ours. 

Hi Caleb,

These are great questions. I'll do my best based on the pictures and information you've given us. But I strongly suggest that when you get your F1s, move them around to different positions in the room and listen. 

Caleb Clotiaux posted:

Ok great! 

What would your recommended placement be? 

You could try placing the assembled F1 Stacks (F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer) on either side of the stage. You want them back far enough so the 100 degree horizontal dispersion can reach all of the room. If you put them too far forward and angle them outward, people at the front center may not get much direct sound.

For the subs as well, is placing the two units next to each other recommended? Or are they better separated? 

Generally speaking, we expect to get the most even bass distribution if you put the F1 Subwoofers together. They are 27" high so you could put them on the floor at the front of the stage.  I'm thinking of the visual impact.  How well that works will depend on the construction of the stage and other things we can't see in the pictures.

This means you'll need to put the F1 Model 812s on floor stands or mount them on the wall.  I don't think placing them directly on the stage floor without stands will give you enough height. Although, you might put them on sturdy risers if you prefer not to use stands.



Our current speakers are flown and I do like the look of it, but I'm not against placing them on the stage. 

We have a flown solution.  Bose DeltaQ ShowMatch I've heard these. They're great. But these are engineered solutions and not in the same price range as a couple of F1 stacks.

I can definitely see the value of just grabbing them and bringing them to another event of needed. 

I'd seriously consider keeping the F1s portable unless the aesthetics outweigh this utility.

Thanks so much for the help. 

Sorry if this feels like 21 questions, I just haven't found alot of info about people using them in a scenario like ours. 

Have to run. Back in a couple of hours.

ST

I made a few edits above for clarity (2 hours later).

Hi Caleb

  I brought in 2 sets of the F1 812/Sub combo (our multi-purpose road kit) for Easter to a sanctuary similar to yours (about 100 wide x 100 deep but the stage extends about 25 feet out) and the Pastor won't let me take them back out because of the sound improvement over the installed speakers/amps.  I almost always run Aux fed subs as it gives the me the most control over the bottom end and I run the 812s in full range mode.  From your pics, it looks like there are some large subs on stage just inside of each screen.  I'd start with putting the 812/Sub combo in place of each of those and would use the J position.  That should cover the entire facility.  You can always move, test, measure, adjust, listen and repeat as needed to find the best location.  : )
  I can't see the current flown speakers in the pic but I assume that they are in a horizontal line with the subs but above the stage.  I only mention that because if you still want them utilized at all with the F1s, you may need to add some delay to them (or the F1s) to insure that the sound hits the audience at the same time.
  The F1 812/sub combos can handle the entire band at loud levels and the typical Bose clarity makes them shine. 

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