Hi everyone,i have a Bose T4S tone match mixer connected to L1,2 B26ASS system,i have not had the system long & only done three of four gigs.At the moment all i am concerned about is my vocals,i have been using analogue delay for my voice,in your opinions in easy explanation would you say it is best to use ANALOGUE DELAY OR DIGITAL DELAY FOR VOCALS,any help & guidance as i said in easy understandable terms would be much appreciated,i am also using reverb with the vocals together with the delay,many thanks..Gideon (Cornwall UK)

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Effects for vocals are a personal choice. It's best to have a trusted friend help one adjust effects from an audience point of view, @Gideon . I prefer dry, for my own vocals. A tube (valve) microphone preamp adds warmth to your vocals. Is your analog delay a tape delay?

There is digital,tape & analogue,i have now (at home) turned it to digital delay ready for the next gig,but as you know it sounds much different at home in a small room than it would at a gig,i just want to try & improve the clarity of my voice with the different delay options on the mixer.

Ric posted:

Effects for vocals are a personal choice. It's best to have a trusted friend help one adjust effects from an audience point of view, @Gideon . I prefer dry, for my own vocals. A tube (valve) microphone preamp adds warmth to your vocals. Is your analog delay a tape delay?

Hard finding a good affordable tube preamp these days.... which make / model are you using?

Hi Gideon,

Thanks for this interesting question.

Gideon posted:

Hi everyone,i have a Bose T4S tone match mixer connected to L1,2 B26ASS system,i have not had the system long & only done three of four gigs.At the moment all i am concerned about is my vocals,i have been using analogue delay for my voice,in your opinions in easy explanation would you say it is best to use ANALOGUE DELAY OR DIGITAL DELAY FOR VOCALS,any help & guidance as i said in easy understandable terms would be much appreciated,i am also using reverb with the vocals together with the delay,many thanks..Gideon (Cornwall UK)

Your T4S has three families of tools

Technical Tools

  • Trim Controls
  • Volume Controls
  • Master Control
  • ToneMatch Presets
  • zEQ
  • ParaEQ  
  • Comp/Gate



Artistic Expression Tools

  • Mod
  • Delay
  • Reverb



Utility Tools

  • Pan/Aux
  • Scenes
  • Prefs



Some may want to debate about how I have characterized the tools, but I'll press on.

How you use the Artistic Expression Tools is completely up to you.

Analog Delay originated in the 1940s. Originally this was done with recording tape in a loop run through a tape recorder, playback machine. Each time a sound was looped, its sound degraded a bit. So each repetition was a lower fidelity than the original, and the previous generation through the loop.

Digital Delay came later (1970-1980s). Because the signal was processed digitally, there was no (or much less) degradation. Each repetition was the same fidelity as the original, and the previous generation through the (now digital) loop.

The Analog Delay may sound muddy and dark, or you may hear that as having a vintage quality.

The Digital Delay may sound clean, crisp and bright, or you may hear that as having a sterile or brittle quality.

Let your ears tell you what to use. You may find you use Analog Delay for some songs and Digital Delay for others.  And you may make your choices about what and when to use these based on what other things are happening in the mix (other players or sound sources).

More: Delay - Wikipedia

Does that help?

ST

Thank you so much for your help,i will just experiment & when i go out next on Tuesday i will use the digital delay & try & compare the two effects,as i have told you up until now i have been using analogue,i just hope my ears will tell me which effect i prefer.

Ric posted:

@ScubaBadger , I don't use microphone tube preamps, or any other effects on my vocals, as a norm. I have used Art, Presonous and others at the request of others when they supply them when I'm running sound. Generally, I run my own vocals dry, as I don't like to muddy them up.

Forgive me, I presumed because you posted;

"Ric posted:

Effects for vocals are a personal choice. It's best to have a trusted friend help one adjust effects from an audience point of view, @Gideon . I prefer dry, for my own vocals. A tube (valve) microphone preamp adds warmth to your vocals. Is your analog delay a tape delay?"

Apologies for my error.

Dave

No worries, @ScubaBadger Dave. Besides performing, I also do live sound engineering. Many vocalists bring their own microphones and effects, which sometimes can be an issue, vice a solution. I've seen solo acts where performers over use harmonizers and delay, to the point one can no longer hear the words being sung. Others use just a tasteful amount and sound nice.

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