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Mahalo for all the info!
I really like the look of the L1s. They look hi-end and non-obtrusive. But, I have been reading more about the F1 Model 812 with F1 Sub.
For my specific needs, what are your thoughts about me getting either:
- (2) L1 Model IIs with (2) B2 Subs
- (2) F1 Model 812s with (2) F1 Subs
Here are links to the technical data sheets
F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer
L1 Model II with B2
Between these two options, what would the difference be with:
About the same, although you'll want a cart if you get the F1 systems because the F1 Subwoofers weigh about 55 pounds vs. B2s that weigh 40 pounds.
L1: about 180 degrees and this is helpful because for small gigs you can use just one L1 with B2 to cover the audience.
F1: about 100 degrees, but that's not a problem because you'll always set them up in pairs - even at smaller gigs.
- Sound projection distance
Up Close and Farther Away
The F1 can be about 10 dB SPL louder up close, however as you get farther away the L1 will outdistance the F1 because the L1 Line array is three times longer (24 drivers vs. 8 drivers) and when placed at least 8 feet from the front of the stage, you get a mirroring effect on the height of the array. The longer the array, the more gradual the drop-off in sound over distance.
I have covered this above. F1 is louder up close, at a distance, the volume performance is similar.
This is subjective.
The F1 Subwoofer is louder but not twice as loud as a B2.
The F1 Subwoofer provides most of its support from 40-100 Hz. The F1 Model 812 alone can go down to about 52 Hz, although when you use it with the F1 Subwoofer, you set it the EQ to WITH SUB and the cutoff is 100 Hz.
The B2 Bass module provides all of its support from 40-200 Hz. This is because the L1 Cylindrical Radiator® goes down to 200 Hz.
I'm not sure what you mean by Stage presence but here are a few comments
F1 systems are compact and as unobtrusive as comparable systems.
L1 systems can disappear in a room because the Cylindrical Radiator is only 4 inches wide.
Typically, you put the L1 systems at the back of the stage, behind the performers. The L1s serve as both monitors and Front of House loudspeakers.
Typically, you put the F1 systems at the front of the stage. Assuming you want to cover the same large area as you might with L1 systems, you have to run the F1 systems loud, too loud to have behind you on stage. If you are doing live sound, you'll want stage monitors. (Bose S1 Pro systems for example).
I've never personally heard either of these options, so your (and others) opinions are appreciated.
Any extra thoughts or options you suggest (get (2) F1 Model 812s but with (2) B2 Subs, etc.)?
These are integrated systems (L1 with B2) or (F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer). The only mix 'n match you might consider is
L1 with B2 - and if you find you need more bass, add an F1 Subwoofer.
Something you didn't ask:
This matters if you are on an elevated stage and the listeners' ears are below the stage floor -OR- you have raked seating, and the listeners' ears are above the eight-foot height of the Cylindrical Radiator®. Above or below the Cylindrical Radiator® the mid-high frequencies can be muffled.
The L1 systems have very little vertical dispersion. This is helpful in tall rooms because they send very little sound up to bounce around the ceiling. This means less reverberation than you get with conventional loudspeakers.
The F1 Model 812 has a flexible line array allowing up to 40-degree vertical dispersion. This will serve you well if the listeners' ears are above or below the F1 Model 812.
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