L1 Model II

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Using proprietary Bose® technology, L1 systems combine  PA and monitors into a single, highly portable unit. The  loudspeaker can be positioned behind or to the side —and you hear what the audience hears.

Highly portable PA and monitor combined for solo performers, DJs and general-purpose use. Fixed vertical control with 180° horizontal coverage Reduced vulnerability to feedback.

Three systems to choose from (Compact, Model 1S, Model II)
Two passive bass module options (B1 or B2)
Consistent coverage and tonal balance, portability and easy setup.

dangling cables...

Well, I probably won't be getting a model II at anytime soon but I am interested in the T1 for a number of reasons. What concerns me is that now, I run my mic cable, keyboard cables, guitar cable very neatly along the ground and plug them into the base of the PS1 - with the new ToneMatch hooked onto either the side of the L1 or the side of your mic stand for easy access, won't the input cables from mics, instruments be kind of dangling in back of and around the L1 or worse yet, around the base of your mic stand? Just curious...
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Originally posted by acousticaoc:
Well, I probably won't be getting a model II at anytime soon but I am interested in the T1 for a number of reasons. What concerns me is that now, I run my mic cable, keyboard cables, guitar cable very neatly along the ground and plug them into the base of the PS1 - with the new ToneMatch hooked onto either the side of the L1 or the side of your mic stand for easy access, won't the input cables from mics, instruments be kind of dangling in back of and around the L1 or worse yet, around the base of your mic stand? Just curious...


For the case where the T1(tm) is mounted on the back of a line array, the included accessory has a velcro strap that holds all the cables nicely together.

For the case where the T1(tm) is mounted on the mic stand you could use the velcro strap that is already on the T1(tm) cable to bind the other cables together.

True, more cables will be around the mic stand area. But, by managing the cables and having ones of the right length it can easily be overcome, IMO. It just will need a little different planning with the cable routing than what we are all used to now.

Neil-at-Bose has assembled 'snakes' of cables for demos he has done wrapped in commercially available cable 'slinky's' that look super sleek onstage.

MikeZ
Hi Andy

When I got thinking about this I pictured all my inputs running to the T1 ToneMatch™ audio engine on my microphone stand. With some split-tubing cable wrap (picture and link below) this can be cleaned up pretty nicely.


Click picture for details: WHD-410G
3/4 inch Plastic Split tubing, 10 ft. Color: black.


But picture this: Just one thin cable between the microphone stand and the L1 Powerstand.

All my 'snakes' that I have now are 25-30 feet long and contain

microphone cable(s)
instrument cable (s)
R1 Remote cable

and these are pretty bulky.

It's going to be really nice having shorter signal cords for the microphones and instruments and to replace the long snake with T1 ToneMatch™ cable.
Might find it somewhere, but does anyone know the length of the T1 connection cable that ships with the units? Also, what is the maximum length of this cable. Many of my shows require my L1 to be sometimes as much as 30 feet away from me... just wondering if that will still be a choice with the II. Thanks. Owen
Hi Owen,

Here, they state the recommended maximum length of a stranded, twisted-pair CAT-5 cable as being 10 Meters, or 33 feet. Looks like your ones and zeros would be fine on those bigger stages. However, I wonder about line loss on the power leads. My guess is that a 33 footer wouldn't cause a problem. Hilmar? Mike Z?
Thanks Chuck... that is awesome. Now I'm stuck trying to figure out if I should re-rack my equipment or just wait for the II and T1. I have owned an EMU 1616M for sometime now and I've been using a Behringer mixer for my 5 inputs due to the need to have eq of each of the 5 channels. I was actually in the process of putting my 1616M in my signal path instead of the Behringer last night when I read about the news for the first time. Sounds very intriguing and it looks like it will fit my live shows perfectly. Especially like the folding power base and my wife likes the lighter weight. So is end of May still the available date? If so, for those of us that already own dual bass systems, is it available without the subwoofers? If so, what is the list for that? I guess the eBay value of our model L1's just went down significantly didn't it? Oh well... it has earned so much money for me and been the best musical partner I've ever had. Looking forward to putting his big brother into the mix. Oh yeah, is the grill of the L2 still the very "dentable" metal stuff?

Thanks for the information and all you guys do to make me sound better than I really am. You guys make us all better and I know I'm not the only one grateful for the revolutions.

Owen
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Originally posted by Chuck-at-Bose:
Hi Owen,

Here, they state the recommended maximum length of a stranded, twisted-pair CAT-5 cable as being 10 Meters, or 33 feet. Looks like your ones and zeros would be fine on those bigger stages. However, I wonder about line loss on the power leads. My guess is that a 33 footer wouldn't cause a problem. Hilmar? Mike Z?


A 33 or 50 footer will not cause any problems, either with the digital audio (ones and zips) or the power.

The technical reason follows, for those who are interested : A 24 gauge wire (the size typically used in ethernet cables) has about 2.5 Ohms of resistance per 100 feet. The T1 draws roughly 1/4 Amp on each of two supply wire pairs (+/-18V nominal).

For a 50 foot run, each pair of wires (made up of a plus and minus lead) totals 100 feet. A quarter Amp of current across 2.5 Ohms gives, per Ohm's law, a voltage drop of less than one volt (V=IR = 0.625 Volts). Because of the margin we built into the system, it can handle this voltage drop easily.

In fact, although we don't recommend it and can't guarantee it, the digital audio has been tested up to 100 feet in average conditions (for example, no undervoltage on the AC supply at the gig), and quite happily continued to make music.

Cheers,
Bill
Hi Owen,

I would highly recommend to those needing a longer Ethercon CAT-5 cable to make sure the cable they are buying, making or having built be "stranded" as stated in Chuck's 7:35 PM post. Be aware that the most popular CAT-5 cable on the market is a solid conductor cable. It is less expensive and great for permanent installations, but it would not last very long in portable use. Frown Murphy's Law would dictate that the failure would occur at a gig on a remote island with no computers from which to borrow an Ethernet cable! I do not subscribe to Murphy's Law; I prefer O'Tool's Understanding which states that Murphy was an optimist. Big Grin

Anyone choosing to build your own longer cables: the cables must be wired correctly. See Wiring Scheme.

Also, make sure the RJ-45 connectors are designed for stranded cable. Some connectors are designed for both stranded or solid.

CAT-5 has been mentioned so far in this thread. CAT-5e (enhanced CAT-5) should also be a viable choice. Maybe Bill or another Bose engineer would like to comment on CAT-5e or CAT-6 cable...

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