Bose T4S & T8S ToneMatch® Mixers

I was really excited when I saw the news of two new mixers being released as I'm active!y looking for a new mixer. Then I read the specs..!!

The T8 looks the part with the extra inputs, but I really can't see the T4 having much improvement over my T1. It's not really a leap forward, more of a makeover.

Can't help feeling that Bose have missed out here, with so many alternatives on the market they really needed to come up with something to make everyone sit up. It appears both mixers would have been front runners a couple years ago, but they seem stuck in a time warp already, before they're even on sale..!

I love my T1, its performed faultlessly in the time I've had and it does everything and more that I could ask. But my band has grown and I need more inputs, so I've been looking at the Touchmix series to replace the T1 and analog mixer I currently use.

Yes, the T8 is a bit cheaper, so I might just go with it. 

But when I look around, I feel that the T4 and T8 are a sideways step.

And I think what might have been...

 

 

 

 

 

Having delved a bit deeper it seems that the T8 doesn't talk to the L1 via the Tonematch cable. So two connections,  mains and an analog lead for the L1.  That's got to be a backward step.

Bose, I have to admit to feeling seriously underwhelmed by these units...

 

 

Hi The Saint,

Thanks for joining the conversation.

The Saint posted:

I was really excited when I saw the news of two new mixers being released as I'm active!y looking for a new mixer. Then I read the specs..!!

The T8 looks the part with the extra inputs, but I really can't see the T4 having much improvement over my T1. It's not really a leap forward, more of a makeover.

I wasn't enthralled when I read the specifications. Now that I've had some time with the T4S and the T8S let me tell you, the hands-on experience is much better than I expected from reading about them.

I love my T1, its performed faultlessly in the time I've had and it does everything and more that I could ask. But my band has grown and I need more inputs,

If you like your T1®, the new ToneMatch mixers are like old friends with so much more.

You get stereo. That wasn't all that interesting to me with the T4S, because I have always considered the T1® a personal mixer. I rarely use the T1®  for two or performers, and I have not connected it to more than one L1®. But now that you can run stereo and pan channels it's easy to run out to two L1®s or F1s or S1 Pros.   I didn't think I'd use stereo on a personal mixer, but now that I've tried using two S1 Pros as stereo monitors with my full stereo guitar rig, well it's sweet. On a more practical note, you can support a duo with individual monitors. The S1 Pros are a perfect fit for that application.

You get one more full-featured channel with the T4S and five more with the T8S.  Full-featured means: XLR Combo jacks with ToneMatch Presets, zEQ, Parametric EQ, and effects.  Will that will be enough for your band?

The Parametric EQ has three bands, up from one with the T1®.  The Parametric EQ in the T1® was really useful, but having three gives you much more control when you have to solve problems.

You get a dual input Aux Channel (similar to the T1® Channel 4/5) on both new models in addition to the regular channels (four for the T4s and eight for the T8S),

You get two Aux outputs with the T4S, and four with the T8S.  You can use these for monitor mixes or lines out to other systems. Unlike the T1®, the Aux outputs have Reverb available too. And you can set the Reverb level independently from the Main output. You can send a wet mix to monitors and a dry mix to the Front of House if you want.

The USB from PC left and right inputs can be routed to Aux, a full-featured channel, or through to the Main output. That's different from the T1® where we could route USB from PC to Channel 4/5 or Main.  Because the new ToneMatch mixers are stereo, we don't have to compromise if we want to run stereo from a computer through to two powered speakers. 

There are some other features I haven't explored yet like playback from a USB key and the six-band graphic EQ on the Master Output.

If you love your T1® and you need more channels, check out the T8S when it becomes available. I think you'll find there's more to like than you can tell from the feature list and the owner's guide.

Cheers,

ST

Hi again The Saint,

The Saint posted:

Having delved a bit deeper it seems that the T8 doesn't talk to the L1 via the Tonematch cable. So two connections,  mains and an analog lead for the L1.  That's got to be a backward step.

Bose, I have to admit to feeling seriously underwhelmed by these units...

I was disappointed when I learned that we couldn't power the T8S from an L1® power stand. The result, a separate connection for power.  Then I read this.

From Bose:

We tried to make it (full ToneMatch port for digital output) happen for the T8S but powering the T8S from an L1 was not meeting our requirements so we opted for an external power supply which ships with the T8S. While the digital connection is nice, your experience will be fine with a balanced TRS connection between the T8S and L1 Model II.

I've always liked the convenience of a single connection from a T1® to an L1® Model II or Model 1S.  But if it takes more power to run the T8S than the L1® can provide, I'll accept that trade-off for the extra channels. 

ST

I'll gladly accept the trade off for more channels on the T8S but I do hope it sounds as good going into the analog inputs rather than the digital input. Has anyone that's been able to test the T8S? What are your thoughts on this? I know it's not on the market yet but it seems like someone on here has been able to test them.

So when I saw a NEW 8 channel Bose mixer, I bout fell out my chair...I have been waiting and begging for this for years. ..... But wait the T8s doesn't have/use a digital out? Are you kidding me? Bose doesn't realize how many people out here with L1 Type IIs want to connect this to the new mixer?

I read where the Bose guys are telling us to just use the Analog out of the mixer. Are you kidding? There is no way that will sound as good as the Digital connection. 

Add a power connector to this thing and use the Ethercon to connect to the L1 Type IIs....I am so bummed. 

If you didn't have enough power, use an external power supply but don't cheat all your L1 customers. 

Whoever is the system engineer that made that decision, they should be fired. 

So upon further review lets talk more about the T4S. 

The USB audio input can be used for songs between sets. On my current T1 I have to use a channel so this is great because it frees up a channel. 

We've started a new discussion for these questions. Please see T4S / T8S and USB Audio Questions

Thank you.

This post was forked into a new topic here: T4S / T8S and USB Audio Questions

Hi,

I am new to the community and looking to set up a home karaoke system using Bose L1 1S with B1 and T1 tonematch. 

Welcome, Andy. We've started a new discussion for your question. Please follow the link.

T4S or T1® for home Karaoke with L1® Model 1S and B1

Thank you.

This post was forked into a new topic here: T4S or T1® for home Karaoke with L1® Model 1S and B1

...but why 2 digital outs on only the T4?  Seems the T8 would have instantly become popular with dual Model II users.  Model II's also lack the balanced analog inputs to match up with the T8.  I've observed numerous posts over the years about the lack of inputs over the years with the 4 channels of the T1.  This seems like a real missed opportunity for the T8.

Hi Wes,

It's nice to see you join this conversation.

wesearcy posted:

...but why 2 digital outs on only the T4?  Seems the T8 would have instantly become popular with dual Model II users. 

Bose has told us

We tried to make it (full ToneMatch port for digital output) happen for the T8S but powering the T8S from an L1 was not meeting our requirements so we opted for an external power supply which ships with the T8S. While the digital connection is nice, your experience will be fine with a balanced TRS connection between the T8S and L1 Model II.

Model II's also lack the balanced analog inputs to match up with the T8. 

The analog inputs on the L1® Model II and Model 1S power stands are balanced.

I've observed numerous posts over the years about the lack of inputs over the years with the 4 channels of the T1.  This seems like a real missed opportunity for the T8.

We have a separate discussion where we've explored the Analog vs. Digital question.  Please see:

T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

Thanks,

ST

ST posted:

Hi Wes,

Bose has told us

We tried to make it (full ToneMatch port for digital output) happen for the T8S but powering the T8S from an L1 was not meeting our requirements so we opted for an external power supply which ships with the T8S. While the digital connection is nice, your experience will be fine with a balanced TRS connection between the T8S and L1 Model II.

Model II's also lack the balanced analog inputs to match up with the T8. 

The analog inputs on the L1® Model II and Model 1S power stands are balanced.

Thanks,

ST

Yes, I saw that about the power requirements/performance in development.   I understand that the T8 ships with an external power supply to mitigate that issue.  Wouldn't that have made it logical to place a standard power supply connector to the T8S and passively apply digital input to a pair of Model II's?  

I checked the user manual see where you are correct about the 1/4" TRS balanced connection on the Model II's.  That idea might hold merit for the dual Model II user if the digital/analog matter is indeed negligible.  I can do some bench testing on this end with the T1's to see if I agree.

The main benefit I could see with an upgrade to the T8 with dual Model II's would be the ability to use the stereo aspect of the unit.  From what is published so far, stereo manipulation appears to be controlled via soft keys through the selector switch.  I see where "Pan" was added there to the "Aux" position of the selector.  Again, I think this benefit to the dual Model II user, was missed in design by not placing "Pan" knobs on each channel.  Instant access/change of the Pan per channel is apparently relegated to laborious soft key manipulation before the show, not during.

Hi Wes,

wesearcy posted:

Yes, I saw that about the power requirements/performance in development.   I understand that the T8 ships with an external power supply to mitigate that issue.  Wouldn't that have made it logical to place a standard power supply connector to the T8S and passively apply digital input to a pair of Model II's?  

I checked the user manual see where you are correct about the 1/4" TRS balanced connection on the Model II's.  That idea might hold merit for the dual Model II user if the digital/analog matter is indeed negligible.  I can do some bench testing on this end with the T1's to see if I agree.

The main benefit I could see with an upgrade to the T8 with dual Model II's would be the ability to use the stereo aspect of the unit.  From what is published so far, stereo manipulation appears to be controlled via soft keys through the selector switch.  I see where "Pan" was added there to the "Aux" position of the selector. 

Yes. that's how it works.

Again, I think this benefit to the dual Model II user, was missed in design by not placing "Pan" knobs on each channel.  Instant access/change of the Pan per channel is apparently relegated to laborious soft key manipulation before the show, not during.

It's easy to get to the Pan control. It's at the top level of the soft user-interface. Choose your channel with the CH Edit button. Rotate to Aux/Pan and it's right there.

ST

 

Again, I think this benefit to the dual Model II user, was missed in design by not placing "Pan" knobs on each channel.  Instant access/change of the Pan per channel is apparently relegated to laborious soft key manipulation before the show, not during.

It's easy to get to the Pan control. It's at the top level of the soft user-interface. Choose your channel with the CH Edit button. Rotate to Aux/Pan and it's right there.

ST

I guess in a sound check, you could go to the Pan soft keys and manipulate each channel when in that mode to get things balanced as needed.  I get the concept of not cluttering up the face of the mixer, but the user is relegated to 2 button soft key manipulation over single fader use (during a show) to pan channels.

Where are volume and general channel controls for the 9/10 input jacks?
...found it from one of your other posts:...looks like I'd have to leave the "Aux Input 9/10" window running in the selector to keep an eye on volume for the sequence tracks.
...also found your full manual post.  Thanks for placing it at:  http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/imag...ble.pdf?lbisphpreq=1

The volumes appear to be separate soft knobs for either Pan or Volume on the 2 channels.  Is there an option that allow these channels to be linked for single fader control of a stereo device?

Hi Wes,

wesearcy posted:

Where are volume and general channel controls for the 9/10 input jacks?
...found it from one of your other posts:...looks like I'd have to leave the "Aux Input 9/10" window running in the selector to keep an eye on volume for the sequence tracks.
...also found your full manual post.  Thanks for placing it at:  http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/imag...ble.pdf?lbisphpreq=1

You can keep an eye on the input levels under

Prefs | Input Levels.  These are pictures of the T4S.

The T8S is similar with more channels of course.



The volumes appear to be separate soft knobs for either Pan or Volume on the 2 channels.  Is there an option that allow these channels to be linked for single fader control of a stereo device?

No, there's no option to link the two Aux channels to allow for single fader control.

You can add that idea to this discussion:

T4S/T8S ToneMatch Mixers Feature Requests

Thanks,

ST

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I got a t8s last Saturday here in Germany. After a shootout test of about 2 hours against the 8-channel TouchMix I went home with that nice and convenient little mixer.
It reduces my former packaging space for the mixer down to 50% and the weight down to 25%. Very good!

First i had some problems with the compressors that produced a pretty evil distortion. But after the firmware upgrade those problems have vanished.

@bose: would be good if you could provide a changelog for the next upgrades. That's the common way for software distributions and would be very helpful for the users.

Hi Bertman,

Thank you for joining the Bose Pro Portable PA Community.

Bertman posted:

I got a t8s last Saturday here in Germany. After a shootout test of about 2 hours against the 8-channel TouchMix I went home with that nice and convenient little mixer.
It reduces my former packaging space for the mixer down to 50% and the weight down to 25%. Very good!

Congratulations on getting your T8S!



First i had some problems with the compressors that produced a pretty evil distortion. But after the firmware upgrade those problems have vanished.

@bose: would be good if you could provide a changelog for the next upgrades. That's the common way for software distributions and would be very helpful for the users.

Great thought.

I've just added the firmware version history to the following page.

T4S/T8S Firmware Updates

ST

galleryg posted:

Hoping someone here might be able to clarify the release date for the T8S. I saw it mentioned for late Feb 2018, but Sweetwater is getting info that it will not be until MAY! I have already pre ordered one as it is the perfect solution to my needs  of using the L1II B2 as a stage monitor along with the pair of F1/812 mains for a full band. CAN'T Wait! I will be using my two T1's (into 9/10 INPUTS) as add ons to give me a 16 channel board w/assignable monitor mixes. Woohoo...

 

Anyone here who can help with a date????

April 27th, says Sweetwater.

PreOrder now because apparently the backlog could be lengthy. (And, no, I don't work for Bose of Sweetwater - just love them both and trust them inherently with my sound and gear. I am also excited to have a full Bose tone from mixer to sub to tops. I'm very confident he sound quality is going to be brilliant.

 

T4S Update. 

Hey everybody...hope you are well.

So I got my T4S before my vacation, set it all up and ran it through a number of setup variations. 

#1. The USB music works great. Have about 100 songs on a thumb drive and hit play and it plays the entire stick like a playlist. So Bose got that right. 

 

My big experiment was to run my backing tracks into the Aux 5/6. I did that and used the Master EQ to get the sound where I was used to hearing it on my T1...got close but not as good. The problem with this was, I was applying the EQ for the backing tracks specifically and it was applied to the entire mix, Vocals and Guitar. This was a non Starter so I needed to use 2 tracks for my stereo backing tracks so I could apply Tone Match and Compression etc. to get my backing tracks to sound great like with the T1. This left me with exactly 0 free channels again. 

So back to square one.....I am returning the T4S and ordering a T8S. I really hope the analog out sounds as good as the digital. 

Why didn't Bose use the external Power supply to power the T8S and still use the Ethercon Cables to send signal only from the T8S to the L1 Type IIs? 

This way they can get enough power and still have a digital out.

Thoughts???? 

 

Can't find my other post about this, so I'll repost here: how did they leave out the mounting bracket? The only reason I use the T1 and not a 3rd party mixer is because it's built-in. A huge part of what makes the L1 so attractive is its minimal footprint. I'm definitely not the only one with no interest in adding a mic stand to their footprint, and I can't imagine why they would deny themselves the extra sales. I'll stick with my T1 until they provide the mount. SMH.

joe12stories posted:

Can't find my other post about this, so I'll repost here: how did they leave out the mounting bracket? The only reason I use the T1 and not a 3rd party mixer is because it's built-in. A huge part of what makes the L1 so attractive is its minimal footprint. I'm definitely not the only one with no interest in adding a mic stand to their footprint, and I can't imagine why they would deny themselves the extra sales. I'll stick with my T1 until they provide the mount. SMH.

The mounting of new units make much more sense than the previous design.  A fully engaged T1 with XLR's with decently shielded cable will be top heavy and can tip over with the previous design.  I countered this problem by building a plywood plate onto a Manhasset music stand  (painted black) for laptop & dual T1 placement.  Velcro and a wooden lip lock and hold both T1's solidly in place. 

I've been the victim of the previous design having units tip over, even when bringing the cable runs along side and to the front of the unit to reduce weight on the top of the T1. 

So from a stability point alone, my humble perspective says BOSE got this part of the equation right.

I agree with wesearcy.....

I have many custom things I use with my setup...I call it The Ultimate Gig Rig and I love the option of buy camera and photography standard brackets and accessories. You can get great stuff on Amazon for way less than anything Bose could sell. So you are saving money plus you have lots more flexibility and its more stable. Win Win Win. 

These might work:

https://amzn.to/2upeDWh

https://amzn.to/2DZJbgw

 

joe12stories posted:

Can't find my other post about this, so I'll repost here: how did they leave out the mounting bracket? The only reason I use the T1 and not a 3rd party mixer is because it's built-in. A huge part of what makes the L1 so attractive is its minimal footprint. I'm definitely not the only one with no interest in adding a mic stand to their footprint, and I can't imagine why they would deny themselves the extra sales. I'll stick with my T1 until they provide the mount. SMH.

Hi,

How about this ? I sole T1 day one after T4s arrived. Some how T4s sounds lot better than T1. I Love it.

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I LOVE my Bose products... I own 4 Compact, 2 S1, 3 L1 MII, 4 B2 and 4 T1. 

But in my opinion Bose really MISSED it with these new Tone match models in one VERY important way TO ME!  No headphone select...just dumb.  A real DJ wants the opportunity to listen to the music in cue NOT JUST THE PLAYBACK! 

I'm not in a studio, I'm playing live to a crowd, I need to hear what I'm playing NEXT not what I'm playing now!

You see, we do this thing called mixing by ear as opposed to clicking a sync button because we can mix by ear.

Mine is on the way....I purchased from Sweetwater. Pretty sure there was a huge demand from the Retailers who all had pending orders. Should not matter who you buy it from...Sweetwater has the best customer service imho and with all BOSE products the price is fixed so you won't pay less buying direct from BOSE. Do you want one or not? Get it from Sweetwater.

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