Discussions about the new Bose S1 Pro

Bose S1 Pro

Designed for musicians, DJs and general PA use, the S1 Pro is the ultimate all-in-one PA, floor monitor and practice amplifier that's ready to be your go-anywhere Bluetooth music system for nearly any occasion. 

This is the place to discuss the S1 Pro system.

Bose S1 Pro System

Introducing the Bose S1 Pro Multi-Position PA System




Sound like a Pro. Anywhere. Anytime.




Sound great anywhere with the Bose S1 Pro Multi-Position PA system. Designed for musicians, DJs, and general PA use, the S1 Pro is the ultimate all-in-one PA, floor monitor, practice amplifier and primary music system.

At 15 lbs (6.8 kg), the ultra-portable and rugged S1 Pro is lightweight and designed to transport effortlessly using the convenient carry-handle. Perform anywhere for hours with the S1 Pro using the optional lithium-ion rechargeable battery.

The system features multiple positions that are designed to ensure that you always sound your best.  So, whether you place the S1 Pro on the floor, on a table, or even mounted on a speaker stand, the system’s coverage matches your specific playing application. Additionally, Auto EQ maintains optimum sound in any orientation.

The S1 Pro comes with a full-featured, 3-channel mixer with reverb, tone controls, and line-outs for connecting to other systems. Play music from your mobile device easily using Bluetooth® streaming and get great sound quickly using integrated ToneMatch® processing for microphones and acoustic guitars.

Finally, a small system that delivers on the combination of performance, portability and versatility. The Bose S1 Pro system: a true companion for nearly any event, ready to perform whenever and wherever you need it.

Key features of the S1 Pro system:

  • Lightweight & Portable: Weighing about 15 lbs (6.8 kg), the rugged S1 Pro is designed to transport effortlessly from the car to the event. 
  • Versatility meets Simplicity: The S1 Pro comes with a full-featured, 3-channel mixer with reverb and Bluetooth® streaming. Sound great quickly with ToneMatch® processing for microphones and acoustic guitars, while playing music wirelessly using your mobile device. Perform nearly anywhere with the optional rechargeable lithium-ion battery for the ultimate portability.
  • Adaptable: Multiple positions give you the best coverage option for your application, while Auto EQ maintains optimum sound in any orientation.
  • Impressive size-to-performance ratio: The S1 Pro delivers high-output in a small package, ready to serve as your ultimate all-in-one PA, floor monitor, practice amplifier or primary music system.


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More information on the Bose Pro website.

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Hi MCG,

The Bose S1 Pro is more portable than the L1® Compact. It has three channels, reverb, and Bluetooth connectivity for backing tracks. It also functions in three different positions.

The L1 Compact is louder and will project farther than the Bose S1 Pro.  This is partly because the L1® Compact has a built-in stand (the extensions), and more drivers in the articulated array.

The L1® Compact is likely a better choice for an audience of 100 people. That's not to say that S1 Pro couldn't do the job for an quiet, attentive audience of 100 people. You would want to put it on a speaker stand. But having said that, I think the L1® Compact would be a better choice.

Does that help?

ST

Bose S1 Pro compared to Bose L1® Compact

I was apparently pretty close with my assumption in the "A new Bose coming?" thread where I wrote

"If this is really an official Bose Picture/Teaser (I've not seen it in this entirety before) I would guess that Bose is introducing a self/battery powered loudspeaker/monitor for buskers etc."

Unless it's an absolute give-away however I can't see me getting this one past my wife as I bought the new Hughes + Kettner Era1 just before Christmas. Mind you, they're probably not comparable anyway as the Era1 has 250W RMS (but no Bluetooth ... sooo ... you never know.)

Well this is not what I thought might be coming, but very close to something I have been saying Bose needed for some time. This combines some of the best features of the small Bose monitors with a mixer and battery power, I think that is a winner.

I was hoping for a bit more powerful Compact with better mixer / connectivity.

I sold A Marshall AS50 a while back because it didn't get any use, but I think if it had sounded as good as the Compact I would have used it.

I take a guitar nearly every place I go, I can imagine this might be something I could make room for as well.

O..

 

This is going to be a very interesting research of reviews and conversations here, and I too guessed and was anticipating the "power anywhere" dream system...and this may COULD do the trick...depending of course on lots of things.  So many questions...but will wait upon the threads and the YouTube and other reviews. My first impression is not as good as I anticipated.  The first disappointment is that it's promoted as the go anywhere, anytime, battery powered small PA....but only if you pay an additional $100 for the battery...so now the 599.00 is no longer so attractive.  I could not find tech specs for wattage, but a corner view on Sweetwater's site shows at the plug receptacle to be 150W.  I'm assuming this is the wattage of the system itself.  If I could find a "reasonable" way to battery power my voicelive 3 extreme, my infinity looper, and a couple other small pedals I could be in business here.  I've always been afraid to use a power generator with my full system....so....we'll see as it all unfolds.  I did take a look at that H&Kettner Era 1 which looks sweet, but I don't see that it has "powered portability".  I'm all open mind and ears now!   Thanks ST for always keeping on the very top of everything around here! 

Great! The important thing will be how honest 6 hours Batterylife are. Is it for 10% power or for 80%? I'm using 2 L1 M2 with 4 B2's and I love them. For bluetooth I took 2 of the Bose Soundlink Revolve+. My Bose Dealer told me the Battery would last for 12 hours. I used them in party mode. a bit more then 2 hours and they were empty. I hope this wont be the same here. I will buy 2 of them soon.

Accurate and true practical battery life is a major concern of mine too Auron.  The only way we are really going to know is after all the frontier explorers start reviewing and giving feedback to us.  If it doesn't give at least a good four hours at full throttle playing it isn't really of much practical use to me.  I do wish the bluetooth included functioning the basic volume,bass,treble,reverb controls.  If this is on the ground or behind you mounted, doing those gotta be fast adjustments are simply not anywhere convenient at all.  Perhaps a way to integrate a small mixer, I don't know.   We'll just have to wait on the first scoops from the brave pioneers that pull the cash trigger right away.  

As far as the S1 Pro, I do wish they'd publish SOME kind of guidance about size of audience, wattage, etc.  Even though it was hidden, you can find that info on the L1.    (130 for the Compact and 500 for the L1 MII)

I'd also love to see a compact with a little more power (200 watts) and bluetooth input as well.  

Well, as a big Bose fan and one who has defended Bose against the Bose-bashers with facts and experience, I have to say I am somewhat disappointed at the S1 Pro (and the new Tonematches as well, but that's another post).  

I own a L1M2 w/2 B1s, a Compact and two T1's. I play in a duo as well as a 5- piece blues band, and use the L1s for both, and love it. We often use a Behringer powered sub for a little extra thump.  My duo partner also has a Compact and T1, with a little coaxing from me.

IMHO, Bose missed it by developing the S1 instead of a new Compact with bluetooth capability, battery power and a little more power and better integrated sub with a lower x-over. I guess I was hoping for many of the S1 features in a new/improved Compact-type package.  Why not?  It's kinda sad that Bose develops these systems, and the users seem to use them in ways not originally intended by Bose, with good success.  But Bose doesn't seem to listen to how musicians use them, or what we want, and then develop accordingly.  There is a lot of competition out there with Compact-like systems that have some of the features that I wished Bose had put into a new Compact.  Bose will always lead with superb sound, but I can see the appeal for better features, and with the lower pricing, can see some settling for other non-Bose systems.  The S1 is a neat unit, but certainly not nearly as useful as the Compact.  It's really not all that much more compact.  I just don't get it.  Maybe the S1 will sell well, and maybe I am off the mark.  I was just hoping for a new/better line array.  I wanted a new, bigger /better toy.  I'll still keep using my Bose units with pride.  I love them. That won't change.  I guess it's my fault for getting my hopes up. The S1 release really lacked in any "wow factor".   I know now that it will be a long wait for the next Bose "system".  Ugh  

Hi Scottcald,

scottcald posted:

As far as the S1 Pro, I do wish they'd publish SOME kind of guidance about size of audience, wattage, etc.  Even though it was hidden, you can find that info on the L1.    (130 for the Compact and 500 for the L1 MII)

I'd also love to see a compact with a little more power (200 watts) and bluetooth input as well.  

Here's a work in progress.

Bose S1 Pro compared to Bose L1® Compact

You'll find the sound pressure level and dispersion characteristics in the table on the linked page.

It's difficult to do a comparison with respect to the number of people in the audience - especially because the dispersion is different and you have so many combinations of doing things. 

The S1 Pro is available now and I'm sure people will start coming here to talk about how it performs in various settings.

Stayed tuned.

ST

Hi Stos2,

Thanks for weighing in. It's nice to see you again.

stos2 posted:

Well, as a big Bose fan and one who has defended Bose against the Bose-bashers with facts and experience, I have to say I am somewhat disappointed at the S1 Pro (and the new Tonematches as well, but that's another post).  

I see you've posted in this thread too:  

Bose ToneMatch® mixers T8S and T4S

I'll catch up with you there soon.

I own a L1M2 w/2 B1s, a Compact and two T1's. I play in a duo as well as a 5- piece blues band, and use the L1s for both, and love it. We often use a Behringer powered sub for a little extra thump.  My duo partner also has a Compact and T1, with a little coaxing from me.

IMHO, Bose missed it by developing the S1 instead of a new Compact with bluetooth capability, battery power and a little more power and better integrated sub with a lower x-over. I guess I was hoping for many of the S1 features in a new/improved Compact-type package.  Why not?  It's kinda sad that Bose develops these systems, and the users seem to use them in ways not originally intended by Bose, with good success.  But Bose doesn't seem to listen to how musicians use them, or what we want, and then develop accordingly.  

Bose worked with lots of musicians during the development of the S1 Pro to engineer a product that would deliver value, especially where portability was a key requirement.

It sounds like you are well served by your L1 Compacts, and working at the outer edges of its capabilities. I understand why the S1 Pro is not the product to replace the L1® Compacts for you.

There is a lot of competition out there with Compact-like systems that have some of the features that I wished Bose had put into a new Compact.  Bose will always lead with superb sound, but I can see the appeal for better features, and with the lower pricing, can see some settling for other non-Bose systems.  The S1 is a neat unit, but certainly not nearly as useful as the Compact.  It's really not all that much more compact.  I just don't get it.  Maybe the S1 will sell well, and maybe I am off the mark.  I was just hoping for a new/better line array.  I wanted a new, bigger /better toy.  I'll still keep using my Bose units with pride.  I love them. That won't change.  I guess it's my fault for getting my hopes up. The S1 release really lacked in any "wow factor".   I know now that it will be a long wait for the next Bose "system".  Ugh  

When I first heard about the S1 Pro I remembered this discussion:
When even the Compact is too big

I hope that it will fit those situations well.

Even if you don't think you will have a use for it, I encourage you to keep an eye out for a chance to see and hear one. 

Cheers,

ST

I got this from The Bose Professional Facebook page.

"The S1 system runs at 40 watts. It sounds small but we wanted to make the S1 as efficient as possible to achieve the best possible performance for it's size, especially if you are using the optional battery. The S1 has a 3-element array so you get more coverage and SPL, and since the drivers are precisely matched to the Class-D amp inside and controlled by Bose DSP, you can expect surprisingly big sound for it size. Hope this info helps! Remember that power is not always indicative of performance. LED light bulb power is a good example of this."

"We're rating the S1 as 103 dB continuous and 109 dB peak, compared to the L1 Compact which is 106 dB/112dB peak."

I'm certainly not an expert in amplification but, when learning to play Blues Harmonica, I learned more than I ever wanted to know.  Harmonicas are very hard to smplify without feedback.  In any event, my understanding is that sound pressure level is a better indicator of how much coverage you'll get that the rating in watts.  That said, I'd think the S1,  based on given specs, will rival a compact.

I'd just like to comment on Paul Rumble's and KingBiscuit's last posts:

Paul Rumbol posted:

I got this from The Bose Professional Facebook page.

"We're rating the S1 as 103 dB continuous and 109 dB peak, compared to the L1 Compact which is 106 dB/112dB peak."

KingBiscuit posted:

In any event, my understanding is that sound pressure level is a better indicator of how much coverage you'll get that the rating in watts.  That said, I'd think the S1,  based on given specs, will rival a compact.

Regarding SPL says more than wattage. I absolutely agree with that because wattage doesn't take into account the sensitivity of the loudspeakers being used (given in dB/per 1 Watt/at 1 meter distance from the loudspeaker). 

For anyone interested in reading about how wattage, SPL, loudness etc. are linked, these might make interesting reading.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/c...lator-efficiency.htm

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/c...ator-levelchange.htm

For others :

Double the sound pressure means raising the SPL by +6dB

Psycho-acousticians say that a soundlevel 10 dB greater usually means "double the loudness" or "twice as loud" 

Taking this into account I would have thought that the S1 will not be able to rival a Compact. Also taking into account that the Array of the Compact has 180° dispersion compared to 100° with the S1, and also that the Compact array has more loudspeakers, I would think that the Compact will transport the sound further than the S1. These are just my personal views. I haven't yet heard an S1 but am looking forward to having the chance to compare the 2 so this can all be only conjecture on my part.

Maybe someone who gets a the chance to test the 2 together could make recordings showing the recording levels respectively at various distances from the units, or better still by using an SPL meter. 

Were I a betting man my money would be on the Compact all the way.

Tony

Good information Tony.   I guess a Hooterville way of looking at it is there is a big cost difference between the two.  The extra plastic for the tower in the Classic wouldn't cost that much.  I would hope if I paid the extra bucks I'd get a better system.

What if you bought 2 S1s and Daisy Chained them together.   Placed them 10 or 15 feet apart.  For a little more $ than a compact, you'd get great coverage and versatility and maybe more volume.

I love discussing the possibilities but in the end, I'll probably just stay with my L1 M2. 

The advantage of having 2 would mean that for a little more than the price of a Compact you could have a stereo system.

And for me I also don't see any reason to change what I already have as the S1 doesn't really offer me anything to warrant laying out for it as I'm extremely happy with my Model II + Compact systems.

Regarding the "more volume", for me it would only be interesting if the coverage in the room itself was comparable to a Compact.

Hi Algis,

thanks for posting the link to the Bose specs for the L1 + B2 combination. It does say how many watts the system has, but if he/you read  what's in the links I put up earlier today you can see that the wattage doesn't really say much on its own. For the 250W high/mid + the 250W low end the Model II can certainly cover an extremely large area. Not deafeningly loud, but who really wants that anyway?

Paul Rumbol posted:

I suspect that the S1 Pro will struggle outside, volume wise.

For busking purposes you don't really need to be terrifically loud. In most countries I would imagine that it's not really allowed to be really loud. What you want is to have enough volume to be heard within a few yards or so. I would imagine that the S1 will cover these needs. If the Rechargeable battery lasts long enough per charge I can see the S1 doing quite well for buskers prepared to go the extra mile money wise to have Bose sound.

I do find it to be a shame that they didn't offer the possibility that Roland did with the AC 33. That thing runs on 8 AA batteries. Two sets of those as rechargeables (Eneloop are really good) and you can run all day. Maybe that will become a possibility in time.

Tony

Seagullman posted:

Hi Algis,

thanks for posting the link to the Bose specs for the L1 + B2 combination. It does say how many watts the system has, but if he/you read  what's in the links I put up earlier today you can see that the wattage doesn't really say much on its own. For the 250W high/mid + the 250W low end the Model II can certainly cover an extremely large area. Not deafeningly loud, but who really wants that anyway?

Paul Rumbol posted:

I suspect that the S1 Pro will struggle outside, volume wise.

For busking purposes you don't really need to be terrifically loud. In most countries I would imagine that it's not really allowed to be really loud. What you want is to have enough volume to be heard within a few yards or so. I would imagine that the S1 will cover these needs. If the Rechargeable battery lasts long enough per charge I can see the S1 doing quite well for buskers prepared to go the extra mile money wise to have Bose sound.

I do find it to be a shame that they didn't offer the possibility that Roland did with the AC 33. That thing runs on 8 AA batteries. Two sets of those as rechargeables (Eneloop are really good) and you can run all day. Maybe that will become a possibility in time.

Tony

Yes You are right, because L1  sound field area is 180 degrees   & frequency response is more linear. It's more difficult to compare to other type of speakers. I only show where to find Bose equipment specifications.. I'm using Bose L1 II , Bose monitors 310 series , T1 mixers , Bose F1 system & A1 amplifiers . I'm not complain to anything . If people need some specifications , they will find if really need .

I hope I'll be able to try out the S1 soon. The price is very reasonable IMO, My current battery operated amp is DB opera mobile (discontinued but replaced with a very similar spec model), the quality of the sound is good, it has a 10" woofer & it's loud at 60W (200W peak they say). However there's no reverb & the eq is very limited & only on the the mic channel. It's also a bit more expensive than the S1.

The other top end busking amp is the AER compact mobile. Also 60W, oustanding sound quality & good reverb & eq on both channels but way more expensive.

I hope the S1 will be a game changer for my busking in the same way the L1 has been for me doing gigs. I expect Bose to be the best & tbh would have been prepared to pay more.

I'm a little concerned this little Bose won't be loud enough outdoors.

You don't want to deafen people when busking but anyone who's done much of it knows that basically the louder you are, the more people you attract & more money you make.

Hey ST,

Thanks for your input.  I am anxious to hear reviews and other's opinions on the S1, and the new Tonematches.  I like to hear what others are doing and ideas you all have.  I've learned a lot, and have used a lot of what I read on these and other forums to help me perform and sound better.  Bose products are soooo cool.  I was just hoping for a little more of a product that I could upgrade to.  I couldn't help but think that a big part of the L1's selling point was not only the ease of transport and setup (and of course the legendary Bose sound), but that it was appealing to the eye, without having so many wires going to speakers on a pole, and that you didn't have to have speaker poles at all.  But then, the S1 is now the ultimate portable unit, even smaller than the Compact, but you're back to wires and potentially poles (if you want to get the thing up off of the ground).  I'm sure it will prove to be a great sounding unit, and will be as popular as most Bose products are.  I'll keep reading and learning.

@Algis

Algis posted:

Yes You are right, because L1  sound field area is 180 degrees   & frequency response is more linear. It's more difficult to compare to other type of speakers. I only show where to find Bose equipment specifications.. I'm using Bose L1 II , Bose monitors 310 series , T1 mixers , Bose F1 system & A1 amplifiers . I'm not complain to anything . If people need some specifications , they will find if really need .

Very true Algis and it was a good idea of yours to point this out with links. It sometimes does take a bit of searching to fine the details you need (not just with Bose things), but generally perseverance will get you there.

I see from your profile that you've been a Member here for many years but haven't posted a lot. This isn't meant as criticism. It's nice to get to know you here.

By the Way, I followed the link to your Band's Website and watched a few of the uploaded videos. I really enjoyed them. You're apparently well known in your country and you seem to have a lot of fun performing live. I enjoy rock'n'roll, especially with a horn section.

 Maybe you'd like to post a few gig pics in the "At the Gig and Rehearsal" Forum. I'm sure quite a few of us here would be interested to see the Bose gear in action in Eastern Europe. Just start a new thread with a name of your choice and you're on your way. It's not a must.

Tony

It will be interesting to see how the response is from the Bose community once they one by one buy & review the new products. I personally am interested in how well the S1 Pro works as a stage monitor??? Especially on a full band set up with drums (or is it only loud enough for acoustic acts with low stage volume)... 

I am also surprised that Bose didn't introduce a DJ style mixer... with all the DJs using their portable PA systems around the world. 

It's smaller than I expected.  But fills up my living room/great room pretty well.  Having the tonematch acoustic guitar and vocals helps and the bluetooth pairing was very simple.

I'll be trying it out at some of the venues I've been playing at regularly to see how it compares to the Fishman SA330x I've been using.  And tonight, I'm going to use it as a monitor in my 3 piece band.  We've been using a Line 6 L3t, but that is really overkill for monitor purposes.

Hoping for some good results...

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