L1 Model II

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Using proprietary Bose® technology, L1 systems combine  PA and monitors into a single, highly portable unit. The  loudspeaker can be positioned behind or to the side —and you hear what the audience hears.

Highly portable PA and monitor combined for solo performers, DJs and general-purpose use. Fixed vertical control with 180° horizontal coverage Reduced vulnerability to feedback.

Three systems to choose from (Compact, Model 1S, Model II)
Two passive bass module options (B1 or B2)
Consistent coverage and tonal balance, portability and easy setup.

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Hi folks

I am currently using a pair of Bose L1 Compacts with the Tonematch which is absolutely superb. I am a solo singer/guitarist working to pro backing tracks with the guitar and vocal live and I am very satisfied with my set up and the sound I am getting.

I specialize in classic 60's and Traditional Country and although I don't often gig in very noisy venues it is important that my sound system can cope with the dynamics of my very diverse styles.

My question is, as my gigs can either be a small country pub in which I would just use one column, or a busy town club with 150 plus people in, I find myself wondering whether I would benefit from upgrading to the MK2 (one column for all gigs as opposed to choosing whether to set up one or two).

My current system is only four month old so I know I can trade up but I wonder if I would actually be gaining anything, can one MK2 equal two L1's?

The spec on the MK2 with the B2 sub suggests it would be adequate for around 500 people which would more than cover any gig I'm ever likely to play, but then so would both my L1's.

I recently played a very noisy club with around 200 people using both my L1's, I wasn't driving them and they coped brilliantly and I had plenty of headroom but I wonder if the MK2 might give a little more reserve when needed and would stop me fretting about whether I have enough power to do the job!

I am new to the Bose system so I would be very grateful for any input from other users.

Cheers

Geoff

 

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Hi Geoff,

interesting question. I'll try to answer as best I can. I personally have 1 Compact + T1 and 1 Model II + 1 B1 + T1. I don't own a second Compact, nor have I used 2 Compacts together, but I have gigged with both Compact and Model II at the same time so I know about how far the sound carries.

Geoff posted:

Hi folks

I am currently using a pair of Bose L1 Compacts with the Tonematch which is absolutely superb. I am a solo singer/guitarist working to pro backing tracks with the guitar and vocal live and I am very satisfied with my set up and the sound I am getting.

That's good to hear. The Compact does sound very good considering its size and weight.

I specialize in classic 60's and Traditional Country and although I don't often gig in very noisy venues it is important that my sound system can cope with the dynamics of my very diverse styles.

This is a sensible way of looking at things. You've also apparently covered part of things that you might come across when gigging, but it would seem that you're looking one step further and trying to cover all your bases.

My question is, as my gigs can either be a small country pub in which I would just use one column, or a busy town club with 150 plus people in, I find myself wondering whether I would benefit from upgrading to the MK2 (one column for all gigs as opposed to choosing whether to set up one or two).

My current system is only four month old so I know I can trade up but I wonder if I would actually be gaining anything, can one MK2 equal two L1's?

The specs for the Compact say: For audiences up to 100 attentive, but only roughly 50 if they're loud.

For the Model II Bose say that it should be enough for roughly 500 attentive but only maybe for 300 if they're loud.

These numbers are only guidelines. Before I got my Model II I've played to attentive audiences of 150 without having to push it to its limits. I've also found it to struggle a bit in a louder place with only 50-60 people in it.

I played a gig this year with my 3 piece acoustic combo to a seated, attentive audience of more than 300 where the back row was more than 30 metres  away from the L1. I didn't have to push the system at all and the sound at the back wasn't really much quieter than at the front. At this gig I used the Compact to amplify a piano with a microphone. I had to turn up the Compact a bit more to reach the back of the room, but still had some in reserve.

A Compact will "throw" the sound quite a distance if you turn it up. It is however louder up close than a Model II covering the same distance with the same volume at the back. A Model II will definitely "throw" the sound much further (at a useful volume) than a Compact. It does however have 24 loudspeakers compared to 6 with a Compact.

The Compact has a System power rating of: 130W

The Model II has a System power rating of: 500W (250W for the low frequency amplifier and 250W for the high frequency amplifier). 

When using the Model II compared to the Compact it's almost like bathing in the sound waves. I prefer the sound of the Model II but it's in a completely different league both price wise, weight wise and power wise.

For its size I find the Compact to be awesome. For peace of mind with gigs I would always take the Model II if I was unsure.

One big advantage of the Model II compared to a Compact I find to be the volume up close. If I have to reach the back of a room (say 50-60 feet away), I'd have to turn up the Compact louder at the source to have the same volume as a Model II at the back. People who want to talk at gigs will always have to raise their voices to be heard over a PA. The volume then escalates in the room as more people try to talk and be heard over the PA and also the other people who're doing the same thing. If the sound system is not as loud the people don't have to raise their voices as much to be heard. The general volume in the location is therefore usually lower. This means that using a Model II could result in better coverage with less overall volume  in the room.

The spec on the MK2 with the B2 sub suggests it would be adequate for around 500 people which would more than cover any gig I'm ever likely to play, but then so would both my L1's.

If you're sure that this is the case, then there's no need to do anything. Never change a winning team or system.

I recently played a very noisy club with around 200 people using both my L1's, I wasn't driving them and they coped brilliantly and I had plenty of headroom but I wonder if the MK2 might give a little more reserve when needed and would stop me fretting about whether I have enough power to do the job!

Once again you're actually answering your own question. Apparently you feel that what you have will cover anything you're likely to come across.

I am new to the Bose system so I would be very grateful for any input from other users.

Cheers

Geoff

I will cover one more point here, which you've not mentioned. The height of the systems which can be a deciding factor in locations/pubs with low ceilings. Looking at your post code you're apparently from the Folkestone area of England. A nice part of the world. 

Do you play in places with low ceilings? If so a Model II might be too high for the odd place. This is something we read about once in a while here on the forum.

Compact assembled height, extended position: 78.5" . For the assembly to the maximum height you don't need much more than the given height as there is no "tongue" to slot the loudspeaker array into the extension. You could probably set the system up with a ceiling as low as 80" (6 feet 8/9 inches).

Model II assembled height: 84.0" plus a few inches to be able to insert the top part of the loudspeaker column. This means that in places with less than let's say 90" (7 feet 6 inches) you're going to encounter problems as you'll not be able to insert the top half of the loudspeaker column. This may be something to take into account.

The difference of 9-10 inches could prove to be crucial in some locations with low ceilings. It's just something to take into account.

Just one more thing before I finish this fairly long post. If you're happy with the bass response of the Compact, you should be more than happy with a B1. If you feel the need for more then a second B1 should cover that. A B2 for someone who's happy with a Compact seems to me to be an absolute overkill for several reasons.

1) weight B1 

  • Weight: 26.6 lb (12.1 kg)

 

   weight B2 

  • Weight: 45 lb (20.41 kg)

I'd rather carry 2 B1's than i B2 any day.

2) The B1 has (in my opinion) a tighter bass response than a B2. I don't actually have a B2 but I've compared them together in a shop, and preferred the sound of the B1's.

3) With 2 B1's you could just set up what you need in the location you're playing, thus eventually running less risk of having a "boomy" bass.

This really has turned out to be a really long post. Somehow I can't seem to do short, but I do try to cover as many problems as I can think of. Some times some that haven't even been been mentioned (e.g. the height parameters here).

I hope that this has answered most of the questions you may have regarding the 2 systems. Of course there's never anything to replace personal experience. If you get the chance to do a direct comparison then do it. That way you'll hear the difference for yourself.

Tony

 

 

 

Thanks Tony

That has given me a lot to think about. I really hadn't taken the height factor into consideration.

Most of my gigs are general clubs so I don't think the height will pose any significant issues, but it's a valid point which I totally missed.

It's probably fair to add that most of my gigs, a good 95% of them, are usually to an attentive audience, I specialize in less "noisy" music which probably means my pair of L1's are more than adequate, and as you say, if it isn't broke there is no point fixing it.

I am sort of coming to the conclusion that if I do upgrade I will probably go for the B1 rather than the B2 and then eventually maybe add a second stack or maybe keep one compact and run it with a B1 stack, that way I will still always have the compact for the really intimate places.

Thanks for your input, much appreciated and very helpful.

Regards

Geoff

 

 

 

Geoff posted:

Thanks Tony

That has given me a lot to think about. I really hadn't taken the height factor into consideration.

Most of my gigs are general clubs so I don't think the height will pose any significant issues, but it's a valid point which I totally missed.

Coming originally from England myself and visiting quite regularly I know that there are some really lovely but really old locations with low ceilings. It's been a point of discussion here on the forum on several occasions so I thought I'd mention it.

It's probably fair to add that most of my gigs, a good 95% of them, are usually to an attentive audience, I specialize in less "noisy" music which probably means my pair of L1's are more than adequate, and as you say, if it isn't broke there is no point fixing it.

That's why I said it. If the financial side isn't a massive problem, it is nice to have a Model II with a B1 for acoustic guitar and vocals. When using the Model II it's almost like "bathing" in your own sound. That's the best way for me to describe it.

I am sort of coming to the conclusion that if I do upgrade I will probably go for the B1 rather than the B2 and then eventually maybe add a second stack or maybe keep one compact and run it with a B1 stack, that way I will still always have the compact for the really intimate places.

That's the way I'd go, but there's definitely no right or wrong here. Personal preference plays a big part when it comes to how something sounds. I did consider maybe buying a B2 for the gigs I do with my acoustic trio as I'd been trying for ages to convince our third man (he plays bass guitar) that it would be much easier for us to use Bose than to carry on using our HK Audio Impact system which actually sounds really good. The big disadvantage is the 32kg weight of the subwoofer and the size of it. I can't carry that thing upstairs any more (which is the only place we can store it in my house) and my colleague is also not getting any younger. Anyway, when we did that 300+ gig (which was actually his first with the Model II) we were impressed at how his bass was heard everywhere in the room. From that moment on I knew that for us it would be enough in just about all situations. Should we ever feel that we want to have a bit more low end it would be a second B1.

Regarding running s Compact with a "B1 stack" you'd have to find some way to power the B1 as the Compact can't do this. A Bose Packlite Amp would do the trick and you could take a line out from the back of the Compact, but you'd still need to have some sort of cross-over.

Thanks for your input, much appreciated and very helpful.

Regards

Geoff

You're very welcome to any help we can give here on the forum.

If you ever feel like sharing the odd gig report with us here we'd love to hear about it. Just start a thread in "At the Gig and Rehearsal." Also should you decide to "Upgrade" or whatever, please let us know how it works out. The forum thrives on information, and any experience (positive or negative) could well be of help to someone.

Thanks.

Regards,

Tony

Hi Geoff,

I've been following along and enjoying the conversation.  I've got a couple of L1® Compacts and an L1® Model II, a couple of B1s, a B2, and a T1® - so basically, an embarrassment of riches. One of the L1® Compacts lives in the trunk of the car. It doesn't take much space, and it's great to know I've got it at a moment's notice.

The following comments apply to solo gigs.

L1® Compact

  • Small gig in a quiet venue with an attentive audience up to 80 people.
  • Small gig in a noisy venue with a noisy audience up to 40 people

My numbers (80 and 40) are lower than yours because I have the option to bring an L1® Model II.

L1® Model II

For larger/noiser events, I'll take the L1® Model II with the B1 unless it's outdoors or I need big support for my foot percussion pedal. Then I'll take the B2.

I don't set up two L1® Compacts for solo gigs. If one L1® Compact won't do the job, I take the L1® Model II.  The difference in weight is about 8 pounds. (Two Compacts ~ 60 pounds compared to L1® Model II with B1 ~ 68 pounds).  That's two trips in from the car either way.  The single heaviest piece is about 26 pounds. The L1® Model II Power Stand, L1® Compact Power Stand, and the B1 all weigh in at around 25-26 pounds. 

Back to the numbers (80 and 40): If I know the venue and what to expect, I know I can play to larger audiences with an L1® Compact.  But if I have any doubt about the situation, I'll take the L1® Model II. You can always turn it down.   And as I mentioned, I have the L1® Compact in the car anyway. So if I get to the gig and it's clear the L1® Compact will do, I can use that. 

T1®

The T1® draws its power directly from the L1® Model II through the ToneMatch cable (the one that came in the bottom of the T1® box). You don't need the T1® Power Supply. This simplifies setup and teardown. I know it's not a big deal, but I enjoy it every time I set up.

Winding up

The L1® Compact is excellent, and you already know that.  But if there are an L1® Compact and an L1® Model II available on the same stage, I'll play through the L1® Model II.  

Cheers,

ST

Hi ST

Thanks for your input, it pretty well sums up everything Tony had said and more or less reaffirms my gut instinct that upgrading to a Model 2 is the way forward.

I've decided to keep one of my Compacts which I will use in the really small venues but will trade the other against a Model 2 which I am looking at next week and in a similar way to you I will keep the Compact in the trunk and assess things upon arrival at a venue.

Fortunately I do a lot of return gigs so I am getting to know the regular venues really well and most of them will be fine with both Compacts but I just feel that one Model 2 with the B1 will not only give plenty of headroom but will also simplify things, particularly in venues where I would normally use both Compacts.

It's such a help to be part of this forum and get good tips from people like you and Tony, it is much appreciated.

I see you are in Canada. I've been about seven times, I have family there.

I'm originally from Australia but living in Kent.

Cheers

Geoff

Seagullman posted:
Geoff posted:

Thanks Tony

That has given me a lot to think about. I really hadn't taken the height factor into consideration.

Most of my gigs are general clubs so I don't think the height will pose any significant issues, but it's a valid point which I totally missed.

Coming originally from England myself and visiting quite regularly I know that there are some really lovely but really old locations with low ceilings. It's been a point of discussion here on the forum on several occasions so I thought I'd mention it.

It's probably fair to add that most of my gigs, a good 95% of them, are usually to an attentive audience, I specialize in less "noisy" music which probably means my pair of L1's are more than adequate, and as you say, if it isn't broke there is no point fixing it.

That's why I said it. If the financial side isn't a massive problem, it is nice to have a Model II with a B1 for acoustic guitar and vocals. When using the Model II it's almost like "bathing" in your own sound. That's the best way for me to describe it.

I am sort of coming to the conclusion that if I do upgrade I will probably go for the B1 rather than the B2 and then eventually maybe add a second stack or maybe keep one compact and run it with a B1 stack, that way I will still always have the compact for the really intimate places.

That's the way I'd go, but there's definitely no right or wrong here. Personal preference plays a big part when it comes to how something sounds. I did consider maybe buying a B2 for the gigs I do with my acoustic trio as I'd been trying for ages to convince our third man (he plays bass guitar) that it would be much easier for us to use Bose than to carry on using our HK Audio Impact system which actually sounds really good. The big disadvantage is the 32kg weight of the subwoofer and the size of it. I can't carry that thing upstairs any more (which is the only place we can store it in my house) and my colleague is also not getting any younger. Anyway, when we did that 300+ gig (which was actually his first with the Model II) we were impressed at how his bass was heard everywhere in the room. From that moment on I knew that for us it would be enough in just about all situations. Should we ever feel that we want to have a bit more low end it would be a second B1.

Regarding running s Compact with a "B1 stack" you'd have to find some way to power the B1 as the Compact can't do this. A Bose Packlite Amp would do the trick and you could take a line out from the back of the Compact, but you'd still need to have some sort of cross-over.

Thanks for your input, much appreciated and very helpful.

Regards

Geoff

You're very welcome to any help we can give here on the forum.

If you ever feel like sharing the odd gig report with us here we'd love to hear about it. Just start a thread in "At the Gig and Rehearsal." Also should you decide to "Upgrade" or whatever, please let us know how it works out. The forum thrives on information, and any experience (positive or negative) could well be of help to someone.

Thanks.

Regards,

Tony

Cheers Tony

I will post some gig news.

Hi Tony

I sure will post some gig stuff on the forum. I am really liking this Bose family. I am finding I get a lot more from fellow L1 owners than anything a salesman can give.

I am looking at a Model 2 next week and am planning to keep one of my compacts for the smaller more intimate gigs and the Model 2 for the more challenging ones, the best of both worlds in the boot of the car, got to be the way forward.

Have a great weekend buddy.

Geoff

Hi Geoff,

Geoff posted:

Hi Tony

I sure will post some gig stuff on the forum. I am really liking this Bose family. I am finding I get a lot more from fellow L1 owners than anything a salesman can give.

It's good to hear that you're enjoying your participation here on the forum. I too was really impressed from my first visit onwards and the amount of help and advice that was being given here. 

It was due to the way things were discussed here and the way that the more experienced members were always prepared to take the time to help others, that I eventually decided to go for my first L1 system (a Compact with a T1) to accompany me on the road as a solo musician). 

After I took early retirement, I had enough time on my hands and decided to try to give back something for all that I'd learned here from just reading and joined the forum (I'd "lurked" in the shadows for a number of years). I've never really looked back and always enjoy my visits here.

I think that one of the really important and special things here is the spirit and the way the forum ticks. When Ken Jacob from Bose started the forum he wanted it to be a place where people could exchange their ideas and experiences with the system, but I think more importantly for it to be a place where the people here respect each other. This respect for each other is still here today.

I am looking at a Model 2 next week and am planning to keep one of my compacts for the smaller more intimate gigs and the Model 2 for the more challenging ones, the best of both worlds in the boot of the car, got to be the way forward.

If the extra cost isn't going to cause you to have to rob a bank and maybe mortgage the cat I can't see you regretting buying a Model II. If you only use B1's you've still got a system where basically no single part weighs more than the Compact. More parts to carry, yes. The loudspeaker arrays are longer, yes. The sound however is awesome (even compared to a Compact). I just love the experience of setting up my Model II and playing through it. It's an experience I've never had with any other system and I've played through enough since the end of the 60's.

The idea of keeping one Compact is also solid in my opinion. It takes up very little room, is easy to transport and in a worst case scenario a good back up for most gigs you're likely to do.

You can also use it to extend your sound wirelessly to another room (or part of your location that due to the layout can't actually be reached by the Model II e.g. L-shaped rooms). All you need is a wireless pack (e.g. for in-ears) which you feed from the Master out and the receiver you connect up to the Compact. In such a case all you need to do (if the Compact is a fair distance from the Model II) is to put a delay on the Compact signal to compensate.

There are loads of good reasons for keeping a Compact.

Have a great weekend buddy.

Geoff

Same to you mate,

Tony

Hi Tony

Help me out buddy, I have found a Bose dealer up North who is selling a near new Model 2 and B1 Bass Module, he's asking £1700 which to my mind is one of those once in a lifetime chances as these things are well into the 2k mark.

He doesn't want to trade against my current gear so I will basically still have both my compacts, although I could easily sell one on ebay and get a good £500 back.

The missus doesn't mind me spending the £1700, she just wants me to be happy (I have a very supportive fiancee'!!).

Thing is, will I really notice the difference in terms of clarity and quality between the compact and Model 2?

Cheers buddy

Geoff

Hi Geoff,

Geoff posted:

Hi Tony

Help me out buddy, I have found a Bose dealer up North who is selling a near new Model 2 and B1 Bass Module, he's asking £1700 which to my mind is one of those once in a lifetime chances as these things are well into the 2k mark.

Is he offering you a guarantee on the system? If so how long when compared to a new system? Also, is he prepared to haggle? I always say asking doesn't cost anything.

He doesn't want to trade against my current gear so I will basically still have both my compacts, although I could easily sell one on ebay and get a good £500 back.

The Compacts could be used as a pretty good sound system (Telly, parties etc. in stereo) should you decide not to sell. You could also maybe consider hiring one out once in a while.

The missus doesn't mind me spending the £1700, she just wants me to be happy (I have a very supportive fiancee'!!).

Very lucky man. Not everyone has such a loving and supportive partner.

Thing is, will I really notice the difference in terms of clarity and quality between the compact and Model 2?

The only answer I can give here is in my opinion "Yes you will".

Don't get me wrong here. The Compact as you know yourself, is a good sounding system. For me the Model II is however in a different league. I set up both systems next to each other in my living room (I have a detatched house) and compared them. 

I think that the best way for me to describe the difference was that the sound of the Model II in comparison was more refined. Not as harsh (I can't think of a better word) as the Compact when it was being driven. Smoother somehow. I play and sing sitting on a stool and to me with the Model II it's like bathing in sound.

I really like the Compact. The ease of transport is second to none. I also use it where I know it can hold its own. In fact I had the Compact for over 5 years before I way offered the Model II with a T1 for a really good price. To quote Marlon Brando in the Godfather "It was made an offer I couldn't refuse." 

I also use the Compact with my Kemper Profiler as a Guitar rig. It sounds pretty awesome and is super easy to transport.

I have never regretted buying either system. If, however I was told I could only keep one system it would be the Model II. 

Do you have the chance to hear the system? If so do it and let your ears be the judge. Just make sure you take enough money with you because I can't really see you leaving without it. 

It really would be good for you to hear it yourself rather than take someone else's word for it. There's nothing more personal than taste, and 1700 quid is  a lot of money even if it's a bargain.

Cheers buddy

Geoff

I hope that this has been of some help Geoff. The final decision is something you have to make for yourself. If the Model II is in Really good condition and technically OK I can't see you being disappointed.

Pigs have however been known to fly. 

Cheers Geoff,

Keep me posted,

Tony

Hi Tony

Just an update. The L1 Model 2 arrived this morning.

I decided to buy new and bought from Thomann, my fiancee and I felt the extra £500 was a small price to pay for the full warranty it comes with and the fact that it is brand new.

Most of it is self explanatory but the setting is not clearly described by the manual, when I use my Compacts I always turn the volume to 12 o'clock and the T1 master the same and then adjust each channel individually.

I see the Model 2 does not have a main volume control so would I adopt the same principle with the T1, ie; do I set the master at 12 o'clock and adjust the channels independently or do I turn the master all the way up?

I do a regular gig in a hotel in Canterbury every two weeks and am due there on Wednesday so I plan to have a play around with the new rig so any tips you could give would be greatly appreciated.

I don't really need the Model 2 for the place as there is never any more than around 40/50 people in but it's a fair size room and will give me chance to crank it up a bit once everybody has gone (the hotel manager lets me use the room for practice and testing out new gear etc).

It will give me chance to get the feel of the gear ready for my "bigger" gig on Friday and Saturday night.

Cheers mate

Geoff

Hi Geoff,

Geoff posted:

Hi Tony

Just an update. The L1 Model 2 arrived this morning.

I decided to buy new and bought from Thomann, my fiancee and I felt the extra £500 was a small price to pay for the full warranty it comes with and the fact that it is brand new.

Nice to hear. I'm sure you're going to love it. If spending the extra the pennies didn't hurt too much you're now starting off with a full warranty and a brand new system.

Most of it is self explanatory but the setting is not clearly described by the manual, when I use my Compacts I always turn the volume to 12 o'clock and the T1 master the same and then adjust each channel individually.

This is because the connection to the Compact is analog. 

I see the Model 2 does not have a main volume control so would I adopt the same principle with the T1, ie; do I set the master at 12 o'clock and adjust the channels independently or do I turn the master all the way up?

When you use the T1 with the Tonematch cable connected to the Model II you're now in the digital world. The Power Stand provides the power for the T1 (meaning you don't need to use the T1 Power Supply, and the overall volume is then controlled by the Master Volume on the T1. Basically you don't need to treat the equipment any differently to how you've been doing it with the T1 + Compact. You just don't have the extra Volume control that's on the Compact.

I'd use the T1 exactly as before regarding the Channel volumes and use the Master Volume for the overall volume coming out of the Model II. Don't worry. It's no more difficult than what you've been used to. Actually it's a bit easier because you  don't have to go over to the Model II to raise the Volume there should it be necessary. All you do now is turn up the Master on the T1.

I do a regular gig in a hotel in Canterbury every two weeks and am due there on Wednesday so I plan to have a play around with the new rig so any tips you could give would be greatly appreciated.

There's really nothing that really comes to mind right now. When I moved up to the Model II it was basically like using the Compact only better. It may take you a couple of gigs to get used to the weight of the loudspeakers (radiator columns) when setting up and taking down (due to the weight, as they're heavier than the plastic extensions with the Compact. Take your time when setting up so that you connect them vertically and not at a slant. That's the only advice I would give you at this time.

I don't really need the Model 2 for the place as there is never any more than around 40/50 people in but it's a fair size room and will give me chance to crank it up a bit once everybody has gone (the hotel manager lets me use the room for practice and testing out new gear etc).

It's always good to have such an arrangement up your sleeve. Be prepared for the Model II experience. As I've already said, for me it's like bathing in sound.

It will give me chance to get the feel of the gear ready for my "bigger" gig on Friday and Saturday night.

And with those gigs you're really going to love it

Cheers mate

Geoff

You're more than welcome Geoff. Keep us posted here on the forum (maybe even with the odd pic of the system set up in the location??), and the best of British on Wednesday. 

Cheers to you too Geoff,

Tony

Hi Geoff,

I've just re-read our last 2 posts and have compared your way of mixing to mine. Here's how I use the T1, and this way it doesn't matter which L1 I use.

I set up the individual channel volumes on the T1 so that I've still got room to increase the volume on a single channel should the need arise, but so that the individual volumes "fit" together in the mix. This means that my mix is already set for the gig. For solo/band work I've got scenes saved, but generally I've got my standard setting which is pretty universal when I'm solo.

The Master I then use for the overall volume. This way I don't need to change my mix if I find that I've got the Master "maxed out" and still need to raise the volume. With the Compact I too generally start at 12 o' clock on the Compact Channel 2 which is normally enough for most of the locations I use it. Should the red clipping light (Compact channel 2) start to do more than just slightly flicker after raising the Master on the T1, I then raise the Master on the Compact and back off the Master on the T1. At no time do I need to change my mix to achieve the maximum possible volume with the system.

I'm not saying that my method is the best, but it works well for me.

Has that helped in any way?

Tony

Hi Tony

Thank you for the tips. 

Tomorrow is the big day when I gig my new rig, I feel like a child on Xmas Eve!!

Can you shed some light on another matter for me....

I use a combination of pro backing tracks with live guitar and vocals, I use an ipad for my tracks and I always have the ipad switched to mono.

A DJ friend has told me I should run the backing tracks in stereo.

I have always played in mono even when using both Compacts.

I guess if I switched the ipad back to stereo it wouldn't really make a lot of difference if I am just using the Model 2 anyway.

What are your thoughts on this?

Geoff

 

Copying in this reply from your other (now closed) thread: Upgrading to L1 Model 2 with B1.

Hi Geoff,

The L1® is mono so there's no audible value to running a stereo signal to it.

The T1® channel 4/5 is engineered to accept a stereo signal and render it to mono before any further processing is done.

If you set your iPad to mono, then you can run that mono signal into any T1® Channel: 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 and have both sides of the stereo signal present.  If you have a cable that splits the iPad headphone output into two separate 1/4" jacks you can use just one of those 1/4" jacks into any T1® channel.

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If you leave your iPad set to stereo and you connect only one side of the stereo pair to any single T1® channel, you may miss one side of the signal. This become really apparent with tracks where vocals are split hard left and right or there is a stereo effect in the mix. 

If you have both sides of T1® channel 4/5 available, then I wouldn't bother switching the iPad output to mono. I would use a cable that splits the headphone output into two separate 1/4" jacks. There's no advantage to that, except you won't have to switch the iPad output back and forth from mono to stereo in different situations.

Does that help?

ST

Thank ST

That all makes sense and it all worked great today with no issues.

Tony is spot on, the sound just totally "bathed" me, it was an amazing feeling, every note, every nuance, every pluck of the guitar strings right down to every breath between notes was all there, it sort of felt like being in a studio on stage!

When I played Cavatina you could have heard a pin drop and the applause just went on for ages, I am one very happy chappy.

Since converting to Bose not a gig goes by without somebody commenting on how clean and clear my sound is and today some chap even said at first he thought I was miming to a CD because the clarity of sound was, in his exact words, "breathtaking", I never had comments like that with any of my past gear.

The L1 Model 2 definitely was the right move, the single B1 is more than adequate for my needs but I am drawn to getting a second for those odd occasions when I might need it, the fiancee' has indicated that she could get me one for Xmas, so why not.

Thank you for all your tips over the past couple of weeks, I doubt I could have got far if it hadn't been for you and Tony, it is very appreciated.

Geoff

 

Seagullman posted:

Hi Geoff,

as ST has already answered the Question in the now closed parallel thread there's no need for me to say any more on the subject.

Have fun with the gig and the new "toys". 

Tony

 

Superb Tony. Absolutely superb. No other way to describe it. See my reply to ST.

I am made up. The Model 2 just totally blew me away today. I thought the Compacts were amazing when I started using them, and they still are, but the Model 2 just takes it all up another level. 

I am absolutely delighted.

Thank you for being a part of my journey, having you and ST on board has been a massive help and I am so very grateful to you both.

Geoff

Hi Geoff,

Geoff posted:

Superb Tony. Absolutely superb. No other way to describe it. See my reply to ST.

I am made up. The Model 2 just totally blew me away today. I thought the Compacts were amazing when I started using them, and they still are, but the Model 2 just takes it all up another level. 

I am absolutely delighted.

Thank you for being a part of my journey, having you and ST on board has been a massive help and I am so very grateful to you both.

Geoff

Always glad to able to help. I've enjoyed the exchanges in this thread.

I'm also glad that the sound more or less blew you away. The Compact is really great for what it was designed to do (and actually a lot more more besides that), but it can't compete on the same level as a Model II. It wasn't designed to do that.

And "Bathing in Sound" was really the only way I could describe the Model II experience.

Regarding your Fiancée, you should consider yourself very lucky to have such a supporting and understanding partner. Is she a musician too, or just happy to see and make you happy? Whatever she is, many here are probably envious. My wife is also extremely understanding, but she's a musician herself. She also lets me set up in my living room once in a while. How many wives/girlfriends allow that?

Also, as I said earlier, the odd gig report would be nice. It's always good to read about people's experiences with the L1 systems. Good or problematical. The good ones are self-explanatory , whereas the problematical ones where you've managed to solve difficulties at a particular location can be a help to anyone reading the thread. The forum thrives on information. Just start a new topic in "At the gig and Rehearsal" and tell us about it. If possible with the odd pic (I try to take pics of set-ups but quite often just don't get around to it or simply forget).

Have fun with your new toy, enjoy your Xmas present from your Fiancée, and don't let her go 

Tony

 

Hi Tony

Thank you for your messages, I've enjoyed the threads and I have picked up a lot of useful tips along the way.

I will take some pics of the gear on Saturday night and post them next week.

My fiancee' isn't a musician, she's just happy to support me, I guess she's my number one fan, she doesn't play or sing a note but she is fantastic support and is always coming up with song ideas, she comes to all my gigs and likes to get involved with the PR stuff, chatting and passing out cards etc.

I have to admit I do treasure her, not just for the support she gives but because she believes in me, and in this business that's probably more important than many other things.

She bought me my Gretsch White Falcon for my birthday two year ago and she was happy for me to blow two grand of our wedding fund on my new gear last week so I do consider myself very lucky to have met such a supportive partner.

Stay in touch and keep a look out for my gig news on here next week.

Best Wishes

Geoff

Hi Geoff,

I've been off the grid since Friday Morning with Login problems here on the forum. I'm back again now.

I'm glad that we were able to be of help with your decision to buy a Model II. When it all boils down to it, we always have to make the final decision ourselves, but it's sometimes good to be able to discuss things beforehand.

Thanks for the information regarding your Fiancée. Count yourself lucky.

"I have to admit I do treasure her, not just for the support she gives but because she believes in me, and in this business that's probably more important than many other things."

I think you're right there. My wife is also probably my biggest fan. I believe it doesn't always work out that way.

A Grätsch White Falcon is indeed a very special present, and I hope that you can still afford to buy your guests Fish + Chips at the wedding celebration after you've been allowed to blow the wedding savings on a Model II 

She doesn't know me, but say "Hi" to her from me anyway.

Have a good gig tonight.

Must dash now as I have a season ticket for my local football team Schalke 04 and we're playing at home today.

Take care and enjoy your "Bathing",

Tony

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