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Bose S1 Pro

Designed for musicians, DJs and general PA use, the S1 Pro is the ultimate all-in-one PA, floor monitor and practice amplifier that's ready to be your go-anywhere Bluetooth music system for nearly any occasion. 

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Best 'Sleeper' Chorus pedal for acoustic with SI Pro.

I generally don't use chorus; prefer a touch of delay and reverb. When plugged into AC power, I play my Martins through a Bose T1 with Tonematch set up for a D-28, and Tonematch OFF on the S1. When strictly on battery power, I find the Tonematch setting on the S1 alone sounds pretty good, but I generally use a Fishman Aura Spectrum DI/preamp pedal to dial in the sound. The pedal runs on AA batteries, keeping this setup off the mains. The Aura Spectrum has an EFX loop if I want to add reverb, delay - or yes, even chorus.

I have a TC Electronic Dreamscape John Petrucci Signature Multi-effects Pedal (with just a simple slow, deep Chorus setting) sitting just after my tuner to "fatten up" my guitar's sound without seriously affecting it.

I've also used a little TC Cornona Mini-Chorus to do the same thing.

I gave up using chorus with my acoustic, it was like a drug, I could never get enough and couldn't give it up. These days I'm using boss delay, or reverb along wth a BBE Sonic Stomp. I dont unerstand what the BBE actually does but it sounds great to my ear. I also add a boss blues driver with very little gain. Kind of a weird setup I guess, but I've really grown to like it...

Of course, in addition to the chorus to "fatten up" my guitar's sound I'm running two pickup systems in an acoustically amazing 2002 Taylor 514CE guitar, an older Fishman Blender mounted in the guitar which includes a Peizo under saddle + microphone along with a sound hole mounted Fishman Rare Earth magnetic pickup with 2nd omni-microphone inside the guitar body - mixed together. 

But the final piece of the puzzle has been running my guitar into an AER Tommy Emmanuel amplifier with it's dazzling reverb which I then DI out to the PA.

I also love what the AER does for vocals so I also mix a C1000S (or Neumann KMS105) vocal mic through the amp with just a touch of that pristine reverb as well.

Life be good.

rycowan posted:

I generally don't use chorus; prefer a touch of delay and reverb. When plugged into AC power, I play my Martins through a Bose T1 with Tonematch set up for a D-28, and Tonematch OFF on the S1. When strictly on battery power, I find the Tonematch setting on the S1 alone sounds pretty good, but I generally use a Fishman Aura Spectrum DI/preamp pedal to dial in the sound. The pedal runs on AA batteries, keeping this setup off the mains. The Aura Spectrum has an EFX loop if I want to add reverb, delay - or yes, even chorus.

Hi rycowan.

Thanks for your reply post. I will look into some of this , sounds interesting. Best Regards.

Ronnie.

Chet posted:

I have a TC Electronic Dreamscape John Petrucci Signature Multi-effects Pedal (with just a simple slow, deep Chorus setting) sitting just after my tuner to "fatten up" my guitar's sound without seriously affecting it.

I've also used a little TC Cornona Mini-Chorus to do the same thing.

Hi Chet.

Thanks for this. If its a Sig link with John Petrucci, whats not to like. I like the 'fattening' idea, will have a look at this stuff.

Many Thanks.

Regards.

Ronnie.

ST posted:

Hi Ronnie,

There are three Chorus effects in your T4S.

Turn the Rotary Selector to MOD. You'll see three Chorus choices.

Have you tried them?

ST

Hi ST.

I have to admit, Iv'e not checked this out to any depth, will have another look, and let you know, along with some other interesting replies here on this most useful of Forum's.

Thanks again.

Kind Regards.

Ronnie

Harry posted:

I gave up using chorus with my acoustic, it was like a drug, I could never get enough and couldn't give it up. These days I'm using boss delay, or reverb along wth a BBE Sonic Stomp. I dont unerstand what the BBE actually does but it sounds great to my ear. I also add a boss blues driver with very little gain. Kind of a weird setup I guess, but I've really grown to like it...

Hi Harry.

Thanks for your reply.

I know exactly what you mean, Chorus is a very addictive thing, I mean to carry on using it though as Chet (member on here) suggested.

I am however completely and hopelessly addicted to the Nemesis and Ventris Del/Rev pedals especially for the Ambient stuff.

Iv'e never heard of the BBE Sonic Stomp, but will check it out on youtube. Your set-up sounds cool not sure about weird, unless you mean a tad cranky? ha. Nice one, at least it's different and unique.

All the Best .

Ronnie.

 

Chet posted:

Of course, in addition to the chorus to "fatten up" my guitar's sound I'm running two pickup systems in an acoustically amazing 2002 Taylor 514CE guitar, an older Fishman Blender mounted in the guitar which includes a Peizo under saddle + microphone along with a sound hole mounted Fishman Rare Earth magnetic pickup with 2nd omni-microphone inside the guitar body - mixed together. 

But the final piece of the puzzle has been running my guitar into an AER Tommy Emmanuel amplifier with it's dazzling reverb which I then DI out to the PA.

I also love what the AER does for vocals so I also mix a C1000S (or Neumann KMS105) vocal mic through the amp with just a touch of that pristine reverb as well.

Life be good.

Hi again Chet.

Thanks for this. Your set-up sounds stunning. I had to let go of a couple of D-28 & D-35 Martin's as I kept dinging them on the Mic stands, could't stand the pain and stress of it. After much searching, finally got a Faith Legacy Series -Mars with the Torrelised ( Baked/Aged) Spruce Top.

Sounds awful I know , but the sound/sustain and build is up there but without the huge dollar.  (Patrick Eggle's) Luthier build. It also comes with x2 pick-ups and Tuner, and top-spec moulded hard case.

Iv'e alway's wanted a Tommy's AER,can't go wrong cool stuff.

All the Best.

Ronnie.

The internet is a funny place.  Out of curiosity I did a search for "BBE Sonic Stomp" and there was one listing for one for purchase for only $33,270.48.

It was the one with TWO knobs.  :-)

I saw Tommy Emmanuel live last August.  I almost ordered one while sitting in my 2nd row seat but held off -- ordered it 2 days later.  That AER definitely "closed the circle" of my Fifty Two Year (1966-2018) Quest for the "perfect" live acoustic guitar sound. 

Now it's only a matter of weathering equipment failures (for instance, needed new peizo pickup in guitar a couple of months ago), ****** stage monitor mixes, high wind, cold rain and gremlins.

When it comes to effects it is personal and weather the result is pleasing to you. I used the Michael Hedges formula for a long time. I still use multiple pic ups on my guitar, and the Sun Rise with Trace Amulet still kills like no other but effects I only use stomp boxes. Strymon being my most favorite for reverb. So many very good ones out there. I hate the effects supplied with most acoustic amps. Era 1 has decent effects and a lot of plusses. Most importantly you can change the sound by adding, subtracting, mixing or using another unit all together if you want to change the sound. This is an acquired taste, like fine whisky.  I never rely on in box effects unless in a pinch.

ccc posted:

When it comes to effects it is personal and weather the result is pleasing to you. I used the Michael Hedges formula for a long time. I still use multiple pic ups on my guitar, and the Sun Rise with Trace Amulet still kills like no other but effects I only use stomp boxes. Strymon being my most favorite for reverb. So many very good ones out there. I hate the effects supplied with most acoustic amps. Era 1 has decent effects and a lot of plusses. Most importantly you can change the sound by adding, subtracting, mixing or using another unit all together if you want to change the sound. This is an acquired taste, like fine whisky.  I never rely on in box effects unless in a pinch.

Hi ccc. Thanks for your reply.

I know what you mean it is a completely subjective thing, re the sound we all have in our heads, and are trying to emotionally emulate/reproduce. I agree, the sound of most FX boxes/pedals are way too strong for me, even some of the old analogue stuff. I need the most subtle,warm almost ambient wash, as it seems to stimulate my writing/ideas.

I agree Strymon Flint/Ola can really enhance the acoustic tone in breadth and depth, and the new Oggin Chorus is up-there, at least when played by the likes of Chris Buck on Youtube, where less is best.

I do appreciate however that the tone is still in the fingers.

I have a particular like of the pulse background of soft acoustic guitar, found in early Van Morrison/ Celtic/Folk music. It almost sets up a drone in whatever key you want, and is very hypnotic and pleasing. The Plate Reverb with no Compression has been mentioned on forum here, which I think approximates to the sound I am hooked on at the moment. Does that make any sense to you? The eternal tone Quest bites again. So many Toys so little Time.ha.

 Regards.

Ronnie.

The great thing about the golden age of stomp boxes is that you are only limited by your pocket book and imagination. That being said I fall back on the simplest great sound I can come up with. I tend to stay away from harsh reverbs the Blue Sky works well for me and because I have multiple pic-ups running into a small board I leave one pic-up clean and natural and the effects on another pic-up. This can then be dialed down on a board. So I can allow for the clean natural sound to be heard while another pic-up with effects backing up the clean pic-up. Multiple pic-ups open up another world of possibilities. You mentioned compression - I in the past never used compression but have found that in piezo set ups that are poorly or not properly string aligned, one string or sometimes multiple strings are louder when plucked evenly. Compression comes in handy as a fix for such problems but the amount used is minimal. Stomp box effects can be dialed as to the mix and amount. As with all it is an enhancement to the clean pic-up. Era1 and AER are designed by the same guy, they sound alike, major price difference though. Era 1 has effects, 4 channels separate effect masters and effects per channel.... .... Because of the separate channel and effects and if running more then one pic-up you can use ERA 1's channel one as clean and two with effects, but it also has an effects loop so effects from stomp boxes sound sooo much better.  The best bang between the two IMO. Comparison between the two, same Father but different Mothers.

ccc posted:

The great thing about the golden age of stomp boxes is that you are only limited by your pocket book and imagination. That being said I fall back on the simplest great sound I can come up with. I tend to stay away from harsh reverbs the Blue Sky works well for me and because I have multiple pic-ups running into a small board I leave one pic-up clean and natural and the effects on another pic-up. This can then be dialed down on a board. So I can allow for the clean natural sound to be heard while another pic-up with effects backing up the clean pic-up. Multiple pic-ups open up another world of possibilities. You mentioned compression - I in the past never used compression but have found that in piezo set ups that are poorly or not properly string aligned, one string or sometimes multiple strings are louder when plucked evenly. Compression comes in handy as a fix for such problems but the amount used is minimal. Stomp box effects can be dialed as to the mix and amount. As with all it is an enhancement to the clean pic-up. Era1 and AER are designed by the same guy, they sound alike, major price difference though. Era 1 has effects, 4 channels separate effect masters and effects per channel.... .... Because of the separate channel and effects and if running more then one pic-up you can use ERA 1's channel one as clean and two with effects, but it also has an effects loop so effects from stomp boxes sound sooo much better.  The best bang between the two IMO. Comparison between the two, same Father but different Mothers.

Hi ccc.

Thanks for your valuable contribution to this debate.

I am now interested in the Era 1 as being within reach, an given your comments about it having the same designer and the FX Section, as I also use multi-pick-ups.

I am also looking at the Strymon Ola chorus for its ability to respond (on the fly) to pick-up/strum-dynamics, and also the Walrus Julia as the lowest Reverb + Depth setting approximates to the sound I am after, alongside all the other lush combinations which I believe are also dynamic sensitive?

just looking into that and the Era 1 now as we speak.

 Thanks again. 

All the best.

Ronnie.

My buying decision process was while listening live to Tommy Emmanuel last August, "Gawd!  I have to try that sound!!!"  So I bought an AER Tommy Emmanuel.  Love it!  I run my vocals into one channel (phantom power) and guitar into the other, have it sitting next to me so I can mix my sound and then DI out to the PA.  I use a slight bit of the shimmering reverb on both the guitar and vocal.

I've just viewed a couple of the H&K Era 1 videos and read the reviews.  It looks like there's quite a bit more in the way of effects and more channels available with the H&K and its $100 less.  It sounded a bit "bass heavy" compared to the AER but that could have been the guitar and taste of the video reviewer rather than the amp.

The one HUGE difference is that on the AER Tommy Emmanuel (but NOT the regular combo or the H&K) the effects are output through the DI output channel.  On those others, the DI output is dry.  At this point for me that would be a "deal breaker".

Alas, it looks like the only source for the Tommy is (yuck) Amazon.  I've decided to try to avoid giving Bezos any more of my money.

The H&K Era 1 is not at all heavy on the bass and will handle enough bass but the 2 is for the thumpers and stabilizes that low end bass. Many are concerned that the 8 inch small box can deliver enough bass. It does a fine job but with all small boxes and small speaker cones the bass  becomes unstable at the very low end of things. Again the design of the sound and hardware used to achieve both of these little gems, ( Era 1 and AER),  are designed by the very same guy and the sound will not very by much.  I have a friend who owns the AER 60, when compared we found little difference in the sound department to point at, although we did find the AER to be a bit on the boxier end.  For me the H&K is much more versatile, absolutely amazing sound and cheaper then the AER. I love mine to death and have never looked back. BOTH are awesome amps like twins and would own either one. Price, quality, sound, along with great effects, versatility are the deal breakers I look at. I use stomp boxes and the effects loop, there is no in box solution thus far that can satisfy me and that includes both of these companies. Both companies have issues in providing the perfect solution. That is not uncommon, and both are striving to close the gap with finger style contemporary users and the single performer. Michael Hedges would be smiling.

I SURE wish I'd had one of either of those little gems of an amp back in 1966* when I first started needed one!

But better late than never!

We are blessed with a plethora of great choices.

The AER Tommy would have cost $168 back in '66...he-he.  30% of my monthly salary back then or 2.24 times my monthly rent in S.F....

Just thought I would throw sound mapping into the conversation. Some one mentioned using or not using the tone match, there are other tone mapping units out there and the only one I ever liked was the tone dexter it does a very good quality mapping of piezo and mike with a sweet outcome. Saves the mic inside the guitar and that kinda feed back issues. Many companies are doing sound mapping for fixed solutions for room dynamics which I do not mind as long as there is a on/off or bypass.

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