Any ideas for neat cabling?

Hi

I'm using an L1 MKII with Tonematch - the Tonematch and an iPad for my music content fastened to my mic stand.

The consequent cables (including mic / audio feed from iPad to Tonematch / and Tonematch to powerbase feed can sometimes look at bit hairy. Does anyone have any good ideas as to how to minimise the visual impact of these in a simple manner? Is there a "down the mic stand "flexi something" to feed the cables or specific cables that make routing easier / better?

Thanks.

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Hi ScubaBadger,

nice to "see you come up to the surface for air" (I couldn't resist that one after typing your name) . 

ScubaBadger posted:

I'm using an L1 MKII with Tonematch - the Tonematch and an iPad for my music content fastened to my mic stand.

The consequent cables (including mic / audio feed from iPad to Tonematch / and Tonematch to powerbase feed can sometimes look at bit hairy. Does anyone have any good ideas as to how to minimise the visual impact of these in a simple manner?

I use black velcro for my cables. It also has the advantage that should anyone nudge my mic-stand and the T1 should become dislodged, the cables hold the T1 and stop it from falling. The way I do it is to route anything going to or coming from the T1 from below the T1 fastened with velcro. My Microphone cable is only 1.5 metres in length therefore has only a slight loop (coming from above the T1 to below to allow me to approach the T1 from below). All cables leaving the T1 for the Power stand or coming from my Kemper Profiler (which is a few feet behind me as a rule) I also fasten to the mic-stand using a few strips of black velcro.

All my cables are black as is my mic-stand. From a short distance, the mic-stand does look pretty tidy at a gig.

I have a pic of my mic stand set up in my living room. Unfortunately it doesn't go right down to the floor, and the cables going down aren't velcroed down to the floor as I've described, but this was a rehearsal in my living room and not a gig. The pic may however help to outline what I've tried to describe here, especially around the T1 where you can see the main velcro "anchor".

Microphone angled up

Should you so wish, you could even velcro the cable coming from the microphone to the stand. I actually prefer it as it is in the picture, but that's just me.

The cabling can be made to look pretty tidy using this method, but I've not found a way to make them completely invisible up to now.

Is there a "down the mic stand "flexi something" to feed the cables or specific cables that make routing easier / better?

I've never heard of anything like that, but that doesn't mean that there isn't anything along those lines. Maybe you could find a piece of "flexi" for computer cables in black and use that? If you find a better method please let me know as I'm always open for ideas.

Has this helped in any way?

Tony

 

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Hi Seagullman

Glad to meet you and glad too that you're not flying over me while I'm up for air. Thanks for the explanation and image, gives me food for thought. As you're not running another piece of gear fixed to to mic stand it's impressive and I will certainly take on board the velcro around the cables next to the T1 for drop security. I had someone knock the stand over a few weeks back (on thick carpet) and everything survived in tact.

I'm going to see what I can do with a cable set up see if a computer tidy gizmo might work and I'll post it here.

Cheers

Dave

Hi MakinMusic,

Here are a few of pictures. Click any picture to read related comments.

  • The blue velcro straps are barely noticeable under stage lights. 
  • All the cables are as short as possible.
  • I have loose plastic loops on the microphone stand to keep the cables close to the stand without having to strap the cables to the lower portion of the microphone stand. This gives me the flexibility to raise and lower the microphone stand without having to battle with any tight straps. -- ST

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MakinMusic posted:

Great velcro idea Segullman: I like the idea of protecting the T1 with velcro on the cables in case the T1 gets dislodged from the mic stand bracket. I'm going to use that idea.

Thanks, MakinMusic

The thanks should really be directed in ST's direction. The original idea of using velcro (especially as a way of giving the T1 more "hold" on the mic-stand) I adopted from ST about 6 years ago when I got my first L1 (a Compact). He's given a link to that thread in the Wiki by clicking on the pictures he's posted.

As in ST's last picture (mic-stand in bag) I also have my personal mic-stand wired up and ready to go, with bracket-clamp always in place. Saves time at the gig. I actually have one or two more cables attached for eventualities that may arise (for use with a Compact or a Model II I have a Bose Tonematch cable and a 6m TRS/TRS cable, or maybe for a second guitarist). The cables not in use at the gig are coiled up neatly under the feet of the mic-stand. I only do the sound for myself and my trio nowadays so I don't have a massive arsenal of mic-stands etc for complete bands any more. (Just to explain the extra cables).

As ST mentioned, it's also a good idea to keep the instrument/mic cables as short as possible. 

I only mentioned the Black Velcro (which I tend to use) because Dave (ScubaBadger) wanted it to be as least intrusive visually as possible. I still had ST's original photos in my head with colored velcro and cables. The pictures now are excellent ST. They really speak to the aesthetic part of me .

ST posted:
  • I have loose plastic loops on the microphone stand to keep the cables close to the stand without having to strap the cables to the lower portion of the microphone stand. This gives me the flexibility to raise and lower the microphone stand without having to battle with any tight straps. 

My mic-stands all have 2 loose plastic loops that came with the stands, but I've never really thought about trying to acquire more. I'll have to think about that and see if they're available individually. The two that came with   the stand do get used, and are more flexible in use than velcro if you want a bit of freedom of movement. I'll look into the possibility of getting more loops. Thanks for putting me on to that idea ST.

For my own mic-stand I generally have one main setting as I tend to play on a barstool (not standing up) so once it's set up for me it's set.

Regarding ST's pics. If I were to photograph my mic-stand in a ready to go situation so that the wiring etc. was clearly visible, they would be very similar to ST's. Great photos that show exactly what's happening.

For anyone reading this thread and maybe also looking for other tips regarding almost anything L1 or F1 related, I can really recommend the Wiki which ST created years ago and which keeps growing with new information. Just click on "Encyclopedia/Wiki" and enjoy the ride.

Take care everyone, enjoy using your L1's and also the astounded faces when the people realize where the sound is actually coming from.

Tony

ScubaBadger posted:

Hi Seagullman

 I had someone knock the stand over a few weeks back (on thick carpet) and everything survived in tact.

 

Just a thought here regarding the mic-stand and whatever you fasten to it.

The higher you fasten appendages (T1, iPad etc.) to the stand including microphone and eventual mic-boom the higher the center of gravity is, which makes the mic-stand more susceptible to toppling over if nudged.

You amy have already thought of this, but it doesn't hurt to mention  it anyway.

 

OK - so on the cables thing - has anyone seen a cable with what I'd call an optimum configuration for connecting an iPad / iPod to the T1 - something like a right angle black stereo mini jack to two black right angle 1/4" mono jacks? Struggling to find one in the UK.

My microphone cable (made by Planet Waves) has a flexible (hinged) joint that when it exits the T! does allow me to bend it downwards and get rid of most of the snag loop. The T1 CAT cable is soft enough to bend and get rid of the snag loop - I'd like to get rid of the snag loops on my audio in cable - and the cable coming out of the iPad.

I'm going to find some plastic cable grips for the mic stand and just snap them on that can carry the CAT 5 cable down the pole neatly, trouble is they have to fit a 25mm pole (Hercules MS632B stand) and Hercules only supply 1 clip with the stand. I hate loose wires and eye sores on stage.

I've seen the exact clips that Hercules supply called a CC-3 on ebay in the USA for not a bad price - it's just the postage cost to the UK that kills it. Makes you wonder how the China based makers can offer free postage - just got to find which maker makes them!

Asked the makers of my mic stand (Hercules, USA) for a price and availability of the stand clips. They gave me the part number and told me I could not buy from them.

I chose a UK dealer I've bought from before (Andertons, Guildford), gave them the part number and said "how much".

They came back with "we don't supply these".... which I find strange as a Hercules retailer. Anyone else know where I can get them?

So - back to the cables mess - I've found a cable maker in the UK and having explained the problem to them they've come up with a blinder.

Here's my new cable from my iPad...

This now connects to my T1 with similar right angle connectors...

and both ends are quality Neutrik connectors in black.

I've explained to them that other folk here on the Bose L1 user forum are discussing the same issue with cables. They've offered a discount for the forum - which gives 10% off which I think is kind of them.

If you want one here is a link to the cable: 

http://professionalaudiocables...RTRS-Onyx2025-2BRTRS

Use this code at the purchase stage: BOSE-35RTRS-Onyx2025-2BRTRS

I love it, as its tidied up my set up no end by getting rid of all the "straight out" loops.

I'm going to see if I can find a Right angle CAT 5 connector.iPad connectorRear of the T1 looking much tidierA great cable - really pleased with it.

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