Agenda Possibilities...

Ken mentioned something about my vocal & guitar tone presentation that we just posted the video of. If you guys want it, I'll do it. Of course I'll change a few things to reflect some of the shared knowledge & different viewpoints that came out in the talk at Cuchara, & also I'll add some reflections on headset mics (if ST will help me).

Here's the video if you haven't seen it yet.

Tom
If you don't mind doing it, I think it could be good. Although I gained much from the video, conceptually, the actual sound of your examples wasn't quite as clear as I'm sure it was there - at least on my PC...it didn't all come across perfectly on the camera. Plus updates such as you suggest (headset mics) would be great, I'm thinking of getting one.

And of course, most of us attending the Southeast conference, I assume, were not able to attend Cuchara, so they're in the same boat as me. In fact, since we would know you're doing it, and have seen the previous video, perhaps we could give you questions ahead of time to speak about (though you seem to have about covered it all).
Here are some of the topics that have been covered or proposed at other conferences.

* ToneMatch Preset Filters explained and demonstrated

* Introduction to the L1 Model II and T1 Tonematch Audio Engine

* T1 integration and use with the L1 Classic

* The Mysteries (and subjectivity) of Bass Response

* B1s and Tone (the effect on tone, headroom, etc of adding additional B1's, whether via an additional PS1 or the PackLite)

* Dual mono, and the frequency cancellation that can ensue

* Equipping the band (for those folks who are doing the gear for everyone).

* Improvements and wish list

* Introducing new performers to the System.

* Long term user perspectives

* Making it work as a house / festival sound system

* Mono vs stereo, especially for sequenced or prerecorded backing tracks

* Where is the market and how to reach them?

* Where we first met - talking about the forum

* Vocal Microphones

* Electric Bass
I know we're not voting or anything, but for my $.02:

I was going to suggest perhaps some "Succeeding..." topics

I, for one, would be interested in the Bass Response talk

Introducing new performers to the system

B1's and Tone

Really, most of what you listed, ST, I started picking out my faves and ended up with most of the list Big Grin
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Originally posted by ST:
Here are some of the topics that have been covered or proposed at other conferences.

* ToneMatch Preset Filters explained and demonstrated

* The Mysteries (and subjectivity) of Bass Response

* B1s and Tone (the effect on tone, headroom, etc of adding additional B1's, whether via an additional PS1 or the PackLite)

* Long term user perspectives

* Where we first met - talking about the forum

* Vocal Microphones

* Electric Bass


The whole list is good, but these would be my favorites.
Yes Tom, that discussion would be of great interest to me. I have been nibbling at a project like that for a while.

Also, I would be interested in a discussion or demonstration of how many inputs can ultimately be used through one L1 or L2. There were previous discussions on the forum about daisy chaining T1’s or using a mini mixer. I know that a single unit is the perfect tool for a solo entertainer, and it seems to do great for a duo. What about a trio with 3 vocals and 3 instruments? I know that the ultimate goal is a unit for each person, but finances and logistics do not always work out that way. I guess I would want to know where is the “point of diminishing returns”, and how far can you stretch it when adding more inputs.

Respect
I've found at several of the conferences that there is never time to really talk shop & techniques. I was able to sneak in a quick end-of-the-day acoustic gear demonstration in Cuchara of the Mama Bear & some other stuff. We tried to do a time during Monday when people could get with engineers & knowledgeable users to ask specific questions after lunch & before the afternoon sessions. I wasn't able to participate, but I think it probably went well. Maybe that could be done in Little Switzerland/Asheville. (That would be a good time for your question, Col. Andy.) Otherwise maybe we could have a general hour of Q&A with the whole group.

(We need to decide what we're going to call this! I vote for Little Switzerland since Asheville is so close to Ashland.)

The other thing I've always thought would be good is a room where people could break off & play acoustically if they wanted to in a small group or one-on-one. I've rented an A-frame (which I'll give up if someone needs another bed) just so there would be a place close to the Geneva Hall where there might be some acoustic playing away from the main group if people wanted to.

Another bigger thing that happened in Big Sur was a general discussion about what the L1 could do for the world of live music & what our goals for live music were. This was the one of the most thoughtful & passionate discussions I've ever been a part of & was part of what became the Big Sur "Supernova" as we came to call it. I think the stars had to be aligned just right to get to that space & time, but some of that discussion would be very, VERY worthwhile if we came to it.

More ideas coming...

Tom
Let's call it Little Switzerland - because that's where it will be. Asheville is down the road anyway.

I started with an A-Frame and them switched in so that it would be available for a group or family. Besides, I intend to spend all my time in the Mountain View Restaurant (the big common space).
About monetizing recorded music, "making & selling live recordings HERE"

That feels very specific. I would be interested in a discussion that feels a little more open to find its own direction.

Live and Recorded music as it impacts our relationships with our audiences.
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Originally posted by ST:
About monetizing recorded music, "making & selling live recordings HERE"

That feels very specific. I would be interested in a discussion that feels a little more open to find its own direction.

Live and Recorded music as it impacts our relationships with our audiences.


I re-read Chris' post to clarify a bit what a discussion around his idea could be. I think this discussion could be the extension of what the final Big Sur discussion was - as Chris said in his post.

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It goes like this. Use L1's, so you can hear what you deliver. Practice until you can perform as well as a CD/MP3. Play out and make dirt-easy live recordings of your great performances. Give the recordings away free or almost free, just as promotion for what you deliver live (which is better than anybody not using L1s, or not practicing as much.) Charge more for the better quality you deliver live. Rinse and repeat.


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The far-away dream we imagined at Big Sur seems to be a big step closer to coming true. If so, musicians and listeners will all benefit.


It is a little specific, but I like the idea of honing in on what the future of live music & recordings will be. If we can make music more performance-centered instead of recording-centered then we can put the emphasis & desire back on live music & in paying musicians for the experience of the magic we can bring to life.
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Originally posted by Tom Munch:
So it sounds like we'll be at the Geneva Hall AND the Mountain View Restaurant?


I think we dropped the Geneva Hall when the Switzerland Inn offered us the use of the Mountain View Restaurant (for free!).

I'm not sure that this is official but now that I think of it, I'm going to call the Switzerland Inn and see if I can find get some pictures.
Here is my two cents worth. It looks like from the people that have signed up so far we are all working musicians full or part time. I would be intrested in what concerns me out in the trenches. Bars, privte parties, conventions, gas station openings, oven cleaning parties, you get the idea. How can I further my income from better promotion? How does the Bose fit into this? Selling recordings does play into this. I guess maybe I gave 4 cents worth. Roy
I phoned, but they are still officially closed until the 18th. There's no answer today, so I sent them an email asking for pictures of the Mountain View Restaurant, and some clarification about whether or not we would have to clear out during meal times.

I'll let you know what I hear back.
Another thing to remember is that folks in the area are welcome to come if they'd like to come & enjoy the music Sunday & Monday nights. I have friends in NC that would like to come out, so we'll have some extra audience members at least one night.

This should be exciting!

Tom
Ken & I talked about this agenda idea & he'd like to lead it.

Another discussion would have to do with improvements & future gear you'd like to see. The Bose guys will never share what they're working on, but they are always working on new projects & really value our insight & ideas - that's where the Model II & T1 came from. That's why they always say they're "listening" when someone shares a new idea or improvement.

Tom
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Originally posted by Tom Munch:
Ken & I talked about this agenda idea & he'd like to lead it.

Another discussion would have to do with improvements & future gear you'd like to see. The Bose guys will never share what they're working on, but they are always working on new projects & really value our insight & ideas - that's where the Model II & T1 came from. That's why they always say they're "listening" when someone shares a new idea or improvement.

Tom


Great idea, Tom!

John
A common theme on the forum is: "System works beatifully in ideal situations, but..." Working musicians rarely operate in ideal situations. How do I deal with XXX?

Any chance of an "open" session with the at-Bose folks and forum-recognized experts (you know who you are) where we can discuss our biggest obstacles? Maybe a moderated type session, so no one person or topic inadvertantly dominates the entire time?

Not sure I've articulated what I'm thinking very well, but I've been to other user conferences where the customers could basically "ask the experts" anything on their mind. Not every question asked by the attendees was an issue for me, but all questions were interesting and some were questions I'd never thought of, making me realize I was missing the boat.

Clear as mud, right?

V/R, PmP
For the past few years, I've been on a personal and professional quest to get a truely great electric guitar sound through the L1, including the amazing feel of a great tube guitar amp, without carrying around a heavy amp (or 10). I've been able to get pretty decent clean sounds and very good screaming lead sounds, but a really great, touch-sensitive, driven, bluesy guitar sound has been much more difficult to achieve.

As you can see from my avatar picture, last year I had the opportunity to play with Robert Randolph and his band for a couple of songs. I was playing one of Robert's guitars directly into one of his amps. It was a life changing experience for me because I had never experienced such a dynamic and intimate connection between brain and tone. I think that's what most electric guitar players are looking for and its the single biggest obstacle I've run into in convincing bands to adopt the L1 philosophy. Of course, you can always mic the amp, but if they still have to carry their amps around to get their tone, why add to the load with an L1?

So, my suggestion for a topic is a workshop on getting great electric guitar tone. I know some folks must have had pretty good success at this. Let's get someone who does to show us how to do it.

Larry

Larry Myers
L1 Product Specialist/AD
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Originally posted by PmP:
A common theme on the forum is: "System works beatifully in ideal situations, but..." Working musicians rarely operate in ideal situations. How do I deal with XXX?

Any chance of an "open" session with the at-Bose folks and forum-recognized experts (you know who you are) where we can discuss our biggest obstacles? Maybe a moderated type session, so no one person or topic inadvertantly dominates the entire time?

Not sure I've articulated what I'm thinking very well, but I've been to other user conferences where the customers could basically "ask the experts" anything on their mind. Not every question asked by the attendees was an issue for me, but all questions were interesting and some were questions I'd never thought of, making me realize I was missing the boat.

Clear as mud, right?

V/R, PmP


I second the notion that this is a great idea Pmp. I think someone in the room will have dealt with every conceivable situation.
Ken and others here too!

You and I both share a love for photography. There may be others among us that enjoy photography as well. I’m planning to bring my camera, as I’m sure you will also. The thought occurred to me today that maybe I should bring along my Macbook, little DLP projector and folding screen to show informal photographs of the event somewhere in our little “home away from home” during the conference. I plan to be photographing events and subjects throughout my 3 days while there and thought maybe others might enjoy just seeing some photographs that we take throughout the day. Digital photo sharing is rather easy and I just thought it might be nice to share the photos we take with everyone at the conference.

I’m not thinking of doing anything formal here, like having a “slide presentation” as part of the conference agenda. I’m just thinking, set it up in our conference room off in a corner and let it display “photos of the day” sort of thing on the screen for those passing by. What do you think? Any objections?
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Originally posted by JohnNell:
Ken and others here too!

You and I both share a love for photography. There may be others among us that enjoy photography as well. I’m planning to bring my camera, as I’m sure you will also. The thought occurred to me today that maybe I should bring along my Macbook, little DLP projector and folding screen to show informal photographs of the event somewhere in our little “home away from home” during the conference. I plan to be photographing events and subjects throughout my 3 days while there and thought maybe others might enjoy just seeing some photographs that we take throughout the day. Digital photo sharing is rather easy and I just thought it might be nice to share the photos we take with everyone at the conference.

I’m not thinking of doing anything formal here, like having a “slide presentation” as part of the conference agenda. I’m just thinking, set it up in our conference room off in a corner and let it display “photos of the day” sort of thing on the screen for those passing by. What do you think? Any objections?


That sounds great. I guess we could find out how well their Wireless network works or tell everyone to bring a good size jumpdrive for picture sharing.

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