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Power loss/falure

Cougar Love Trio ·
Hello, last night we played a very small venue and decided to use our L1 Model S1 tower with our B-2 base and Mackie 16 channel mixer. We have 3 58's for vocals, two acoustic guitars and one mic in the cajon. The sound was perfect as usual (we typically add our Model 2 to this). After about one hour the sound dropped off. We turned off the power at the base unit (the light was still on) and we re-ran the extension cords to another wall plug. Turned it back on and played for about another 45...
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ST ·
Hi Michael, Thank you for joining the Bose Pro Portable PA Community. I'm sorry you had a problem with your L1® Model 1S. You mentioned extension cords. Normally you want to use the shortest extension cord possible - if you have to use extension cords at all. What you've described could be a result of unreliable power and it sounds like you suspected that. Still, I think you should call Bose Support on Tuesday for help diagnosing this further. Bose® Product & Technical Support at (877)...
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Re: S1 Pro Busking Power Questions

ST ·
Hi Tom, Let's ask @Seagullman to check our math. I'm sure he (Tony) will know if we've done it right. ST
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ST ·
Hi MusicmanThomas, Infinity Looper: 18 volts DC - 1.0 Amps Helicon Chorus Pedal: 9 volts DC - 100 ma Pigtronix Inifinity Looper: 18 volts - 300 ma Helicon Mic Looper: 12 volts - 400 ma T1 Tonematch: 18 volts - 1.0 Amps This looks like about 140 Watts (at 120 Volts). Allowing for inefficiencies, I'd budget for 300 Watts. Looking at this another way, I normally budget 100 Watts for a T1 alone. So your list should be about somewhere between 200-300 Watts. ST
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Musicianthomas ·
Thanks so much ST! You've saved me and helped me more than several times over these years. Don't know what you are paid for what you do where you do it....but it isn't near enough! The portable generator unit I have coming is rated 500 watts and is rated 288 Watt Hours. If I've done the calculations correctly, this means I should get about 2 hours, perhaps more from a full charge using the devices I mentioned. Was hoping for 3, but worse case scenario will be to buy a second portable just...
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Seagullman ·
Hi Tom, ST, OK first of all thanks for the trust you're putting in my knowledge here. So when I was at school and also during apprenticeships etc. one of the main formulas we learned was P = U x I whereby; P is the electrical power given im Watts (W) U is the voltage given in Volts (V) I is the current given in Amps (A) Let's put this formula to work in connection to Tom's gear using the information you've given. 1) Infinity Looper: 18 volts DC - 1.0 Amps 2) Helicon Chorus Pedal: 9 volts DC...
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Seagullman ·
Hi Tom, I'm hoping that I haven't made any elementary mistakes in my thinking and calculating. I can't see any but you never know. I'm looking forward to reading about your "test-driving" of the system under battery power. One Question Tom. The Infinity Looper (18V, 1A) I can't seem to find anywhere and I'm not familiar with it. At 18W that's a lot of power too. What does it do? Thanks for any information you can give me here to still my curiosity. Tony
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Musicianthomas ·
Tony, This is magnificent and I'm ever grateful for your help and input. And thank you for noticing my error in the list not including the VoiceLive 3 Extreme unit. Don't know how I missed that! This is assuring to me that the portable generator rated 500 watts/288 WH (watt hours ) will likely get me through most all gigs. Rarely would I go any more than four hours and most are three or under. But the bottom line for me will be in fully charging both the generator and the New S1Pro and then...
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Can't wait to get mine!
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MCG ·
Any info on how this unit performs volume wise in comparison with the Compact? Will it handle an audience size up to 100?
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ST ·
Hi MCG, The Bose S1 Pro is more portable than the L1® Compact. It has three channels, reverb, and Bluetooth connectivity for backing tracks. It also functions in three different positions. The L1 Compact is louder and will project farther than the Bose S1 Pro. This is partly because the L1® Compact has a built-in stand (the extensions), and more drivers in the articulated array. The L1® Compact is likely a better choice for an audience of 100 people. That's not to say that S1 Pro couldn't do...
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MCG ·
Yes! As always ST you're a treasure trove of information. Thank you!
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Paul Rumbol ·
Bose aren't very helpful when giving specs on how loud their products are. I have an L1 +B2 & people always ask me, how many watts is your PA? I can only reply 'hopefully loud enough'. I suspect that the S1 Pro will struggle outside, volume wise.
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Seagullman ·
I was apparently pretty close with my assumption in the "A new Bose coming?" thread where I wrote " If this is really an official Bose Picture/Teaser (I've not seen it in this entirety before) I would guess that Bose is introducing a self/battery powered loudspeaker/monitor for buskers etc. " Unless it's an absolute give-away however I can't see me getting this one past my wife as I bought the new Hughes + Kettner Era1 just before Christmas. Mind you, they're probably not comparable anyway...
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KingBiscuit ·
Watching a YouTube on tying multiple S1s together. You could buy 2 S1s for not too much more than a Compact. https://youtu.be/ZpouUFz0seg ST, your opinion?
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Oldghm ·
Well this is not what I thought might be coming, but very close to something I have been saying Bose needed for some time. This combines some of the best features of the small Bose monitors with a mixer and battery power, I think that is a winner. I was hoping for a bit more powerful Compact with better mixer / connectivity. I sold A Marshall AS50 a while back because it didn't get any use, but I think if it had sounded as good as the Compact I would have used it. I take a guitar nearly...
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Musicianthomas ·
This is going to be a very interesting research of reviews and conversations here, and I too guessed and was anticipating the "power anywhere" dream system...and this may COULD do the trick...depending of course on lots of things. So many questions...but will wait upon the threads and the YouTube and other reviews. My first impression is not as good as I anticipated. The first disappointment is that it's promoted as the go anywhere, anytime, battery powered small PA....but only if you pay an...
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ST ·
And there's more news today! Bose ToneMatch® mixers T8S and T4S ST
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Auron ·
Is it possible to connect 2 of them in stereo via bluetooth?
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ST ·
Hi Auron, No, sorry. But I'll make sure to pass on the suggestion to Bose Engineering. ST
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Auron ·
Thank you! Would be a killer feature to get a new use case.
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KingBiscuit ·
It may not be possible to connect 2 via bluetooth, but you can daisy chain as many as you want with 1/4 inch cables. Watch this video https://youtu.be/ZpouUFz0seg
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Auron ·
Great! The important thing will be how honest 6 hours Batterylife are. Is it for 10% power or for 80%? I'm using 2 L1 M2 with 4 B2's and I love them. For bluetooth I took 2 of the Bose Soundlink Revolve+. My Bose Dealer told me the Battery would last for 12 hours. I used them in party mode. a bit more then 2 hours and they were empty. I hope this wont be the same here. I will buy 2 of them soon.
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Musicianthomas ·
Accurate and true practical battery life is a major concern of mine too Auron. The only way we are really going to know is after all the frontier explorers start reviewing and giving feedback to us. If it doesn't give at least a good four hours at full throttle playing it isn't really of much practical use to me. I do wish the bluetooth included functioning the basic volume,bass,treble,reverb controls. If this is on the ground or behind you mounted, doing those gotta be fast adjustments are...
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scottcald ·
Glad the mixers have been updated, but a couple of questions on them. We've started a new discussion for this question. Please follow the link below.
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scottcald ·
As far as the S1 Pro, I do wish they'd publish SOME kind of guidance about size of audience, wattage, etc. Even though it was hidden, you can find that info on the L1. (130 for the Compact and 500 for the L1 MII) I'd also love to see a compact with a little more power (200 watts) and bluetooth input as well.
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stos2 ·
Well, as a big Bose fan and one who has defended Bose against the Bose-bashers with facts and experience, I have to say I am somewhat disappointed at the S1 Pro (and the new Tonematches as well, but that's another post). I own a L1M2 w/2 B1s, a Compact and two T1's. I play in a duo as well as a 5- piece blues band, and use the L1s for both, and love it. We often use a Behringer powered sub for a little extra thump. My duo partner also has a Compact and T1, with a little coaxing from me.
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ST ·
Hi Scottcald, Here's a work in progress. Bose S1 Pro compared to Bose L1® Compact You'll find the sound pressure level and dispersion characteristics in the table on the linked page. It's difficult to do a comparison with respect to the number of people in the audience - especially because the dispersion is different and you have so many combinations of doing things. The S1 Pro is available now and I'm sure people will start coming here to talk about how it performs in various settings.
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ST ·
Hi Stos2, Thanks for weighing in. It's nice to see you again. I see you've posted in this thread too: Bose ToneMatch® mixers T8S and T4S I'll catch up with you there soon. Bose worked with lots of musicians during the development of the S1 Pro to engineer a product that would deliver value, especially where portability was a key requirement. It sounds like you are well served by your L1 Compacts, and working at the outer edges of its capabilities. I understand why the S1 Pro is not the...
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Paul Rumbol ·
I got this from The Bose Professional Facebook page. "The S1 system runs at 40 watts. It sounds small but we wanted to make the S1 as efficient as possible to achieve the best possible performance for it's size, especially if you are using the optional battery. The S1 has a 3-element array so you get more coverage and SPL, and since the drivers are precisely matched to the Class-D amp inside and controlled by Bose DSP, you can expect surprisingly big sound for it size. Hope this info helps!
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KingBiscuit ·
I'm certainly not an expert in amplification but, when learning to play Blues Harmonica, I learned more than I ever wanted to know. Harmonicas are very hard to smplify without feedback. In any event, my understanding is that sound pressure level is a better indicator of how much coverage you'll get that the rating in watts. That said, I'd think the S1, based on given specs, will rival a compact.
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Seagullman ·
I'd just like to comment on Paul Rumble's and KingBiscuit's last posts: Regarding SPL says more than wattage. I absolutely agree with that because wattage doesn't take into account the sensitivity of the loudspeakers being used (given in dB/per 1 Watt/at 1 meter distance from the loudspeaker). For anyone interested in reading about how wattage, SPL, loudness etc. are linked, these might make interesting reading. http://www.sengpielaudio.com/c...lator-efficiency.htm...
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KingBiscuit ·
Good information Tony. I guess a Hooterville way of looking at it is there is a big cost difference between the two. The extra plastic for the tower in the Classic wouldn't cost that much. I would hope if I paid the extra bucks I'd get a better system. What if you bought 2 S1s and Daisy Chained them together. Placed them 10 or 15 feet apart. For a little more $ than a compact, you'd get great coverage and versatility and maybe more volume. I love discussing the possibilities but in the end,...
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Seagullman ·
The advantage of having 2 would mean that for a little more than the price of a Compact you could have a stereo system. And for me I also don't see any reason to change what I already have as the S1 doesn't really offer me anything to warrant laying out for it as I'm extremely happy with my Model II + Compact systems. Regarding the "more volume", for me it would only be interesting if the coverage in the room itself was comparable to a Compact.
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Algis ·
Here is Your information about Bose L1 + B2 : https://assets.bose.com/conten...et/tds_l1_model2.pdf
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Algis ·
Here is Your information about Bose L1 + B2 : https://assets.bose.com/conten...et/tds_l1_model2.pdf
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Seagullman ·
Hi Algis, thanks for posting the link to the Bose specs for the L1 + B2 combination. It does say how many watts the system has, but if he/you read what's in the links I put up earlier today you can see that the wattage doesn't really say much on its own. For the 250W high/mid + the 250W low end the Model II can certainly cover an extremely large area. Not deafeningly loud, but who really wants that anyway? For busking purposes you don't really need to be terrifically loud. In most countries...
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Algis ·
Yes You are right, because L1 sound field area is 180 degrees & frequency response is more linear. It's more difficult to compare to other type of speakers. I only show where to find Bose equipment specifications.. I'm using Bose L1 II , Bose monitors 310 series , T1 mixers , Bose F1 system & A1 amplifiers . I'm not complain to anything . If people need some specifications , they will find if really need .
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ST ·
The S1 Pro Specifications <---
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Paul Rumbol ·
I hope I'll be able to try out the S1 soon. The price is very reasonable IMO, My current battery operated amp is DB opera mobile (discontinued but replaced with a very similar spec model), the quality of the sound is good, it has a 10" woofer & it's loud at 60W (200W peak they say). However there's no reverb & the eq is very limited & only on the the mic channel. It's also a bit more expensive than the S1. The other top end busking amp is the AER compact mobile. Also 60W,...
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stos2 ·
Hey ST, Thanks for your input. I am anxious to hear reviews and other's opinions on the S1, and the new Tonematches. I like to hear what others are doing and ideas you all have. I've learned a lot, and have used a lot of what I read on these and other forums to help me perform and sound better. Bose products are soooo cool. I was just hoping for a little more of a product that I could upgrade to. I couldn't help but think that a big part of the L1's selling point was not only the ease of...
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Seagullman ·
@Algis Very true Algis and it was a good idea of yours to point this out with links. It sometimes does take a bit of searching to fine the details you need (not just with Bose things), but generally perseverance will get you there. I see from your profile that you've been a Member here for many years but haven't posted a lot. This isn't meant as criticism. It's nice to get to know you here. By the Way, I followed the link to your Band's Website and watched a few of the uploaded videos. I...
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ST ·
Here's a snapshot comparison of the L1® Compact and the S1 Pro system. Source: 2018 Pro Portable Family Brochure ST
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Tom the Guitar Guy ·
It's smaller than I expected. But fills up my living room/great room pretty well. Having the tonematch acoustic guitar and vocals helps and the bluetooth pairing was very simple. I'll be trying it out at some of the venues I've been playing at regularly to see how it compares to the Fishman SA330x I've been using. And tonight, I'm going to use it as a monitor in my 3 piece band. We've been using a Line 6 L3t, but that is really overkill for monitor purposes. Hoping for some good results...
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KingBiscuit ·
I'm wondering if it's as feedback resistant as the rest of the Bose family. I'm assuming that on a solo gig, you'd set it up behind you.
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Tom the Guitar Guy ·
For the solo gigs, I'm going to try it both elevated/speaker stand and also tilted back... I'll update after I've taken it through it's paces...
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Tom the Guitar Guy ·
I do wish the slip cover had a pocket for the power cable though...
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ST ·
Check out the S1 Pro in this video with Luke from Bose
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Tom Munch ·
My initial impressions: It's very small and cute. It's very punchy and easily as loud as the Compact at my normal settings. It's smoother in the low mids and less crispy than the Compact although it has plenty of highs. The reverb is usable - seems to be a smaller room reverb at low settings and progresses to a larger hall (might just be my ears compensating for the decay as it gets quieter.) The EQ when it's on a stand is really bass boosted as you would expect. I may be able to use it on...
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Tom Munch ·
I used the S1 at my gig tonight. I started with it in the tilted-back floor configuration which was pretty muddy and prone to low-end feedback on the guitar. I then put it on a stand which really brought it to life. I had it next to a Compact and switched between the two every few songs. I preferred the guitar through the S1 and the vocal through the Compact overall. The voice just sounded more alive through the Compact, but the guitar sounded bigger through the S1. The S1 is plenty loud and...
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