Tagged With "reverb"

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T1 settings

Bob 6 ·
Hi Can anyone suggest which T1 settings to use for vocals, acoustic guitar and stomp box/porch board please? I have 2x L1 compacts and a model 2 with B2. 90% of the gigs I do are with 1x L1c and tonematch. L1c on a chair with one extension. I sit on a chair to sing and play acoustic guitar while tapping a homemade "electric floor tile" with my foot. Shure Sm86, Gibson j200 and j45, piezo on a floor tile. My T1 was repaired recently and has come back with factory settings. It took a long time...
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Re: T1 settings

ST ·
Hi again Bob, "Shure Sm86, Gibson j200 and j45, piezo on a floor tile. " Microphone For the Shure SM86 try these Presets with the zEQ and ParaEQ bypassed. Category: Vocal Mics Preset: Handheld Mics Category: Vocal Mics Preset: Shure SM58 Category: Vocal Mics Preset: Shure Beta 87 Find the Preset that sounds best to you and then tweak the sound with zEQ. I doubt you will need to do anything with the ParaEQ. Guitars For the Guitars, it sounds like your going to be happiest with one of these.
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Re: T1 settings

ST ·
Hi Bob, Thank you for joining the Bose Pro Portable Community. It's going to take some writing to address your questions so please check out this article. ToneMatch This explains what the ToneMatch Presets do. Here are a couple of essential videos. I'll be back soon with more. ST
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Re: T1 settings

Bob 6 ·
Thanks for reply. The stuff on the videos is familiar, I can do all that ok. The tip about bypassing the presets is something I hadn't used before and is a useful feature. I've preferred everything flat so far but using the bypass feature I can more easily compare. I was asking about reverb and delay settings for vocals. The stomp I made myself and it works well with any amp or pa with treble and mid cut and bass boosted. It does sound more like a click than a thump when eq is flat. I...
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Re: T1 settings

ST ·
Hi Bob, For the stomp box Attenuate means to reduce, so we're carving away the sounds we don't want. I would start here: The Level is - 10.0 (minus ten). We're removing sound - turning down the tapiness. Freq is 150. The simulator I have won't do exactly 150 Hz (that's why it says 151). There's nothing exact about this. So you can move this value up and down. Width is 2.00 oct The simulator I have won't do exactly 2.00 oct (that's why it says 199). This means we're reducing the sound in the...
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Re: T1 settings

Bob 6 ·
Hi ok, first I apologise for not knowing the meaning of the word "attenuate". I thought it meant to adjust precisely but it apparently means to reduce. I have spent some time trying different settings at home and got a sound that's ok but I find that what sounds good in one room does not sound good in another. Thank you for trying to help. I need to spend a lot more time on it before I can think of anything more to ask. One thing that makes me question everything I thought I'd learned about...
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Re: T1 settings

ST ·
Hi Bob, Good to see you again. If you're up for an experiment, take your L1® Model II, T1®, B2 and a long microphone cable, a microphone, guitar, stompbox into a gig sized room. On your vocal microphone channel use the FX Mute button to turn off the effects. Sing and set the L1® at least as loud as you perform. Take a walk around in the room as you sing. Listen for the natural reverb. If you have a way to record the sound (even a phone will do), record as you play and sing with and without...
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Delighted............but

theonemanband ·
Hi, I have just returned to the Bose "family" as a new owner of a Bose S1 portable PA. I say returned as, many years ago, I carried a big Bose rig (4 x 802's & 2 x 302's) but later cut down to smaller lighter options. Now that I'm older, I am working mostly smaller, intimate venues and combine that with street performance and the Bose S1 Pro seemed to tick all the boxes. I have to say that it has surpassed all my expectations, it is truly superb in every sense and I am delighted with...
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Re: Delighted............but

ST ·
Hi Brian, Welcome back to the Bose family. I'm glad you joined us. I'm glad you're enjoying your S1 Pro. And I take your point about the reverb. We may be getting a little exercise over that. Please tell us about your music. Thanks, ST
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Re: T4S/T8S Run two L1 Model II in mono

ST ·
Hi SkubaBadger, Thanks for the great question. Yes. This will work as you described above. How is your text immediately above in yellow significantly different than the text highlighted in green? If we swap out the terms left and right and replace them with location one and location two , you can set the relative levels using the pan control. A different approach You can use Master for the location in which you are performing and Aux 1 with a balanced analog or wireless connection to the...
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T4S/T8S Run two L1 Model II in mono

ScubaBadger ·
With these new mixers clearly we get stereo capability but if I’m running a show at a beach bar where I have audience inside and outside where I’d direct each stack independently can I run full sound as mono to each stack and then use the pan to regulate levels on each or am I going to have left channel outside and right channel inside? Edited title and added tags to facilitate searches. Previously: Run two L1 MKll in mono - Bose Pro Community Admin
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Global reverb type...

ScubaBadger ·
will a future firmware release get rid of the limiting “global reverb type for all channels”. I sing with sev real mics set up for easy acces to effects and the biggest P in the A is GLOBAL effects. Independent effects per channel as stated in the sales spec is what I want without plugging in external warts. Edit: Added tags — Bose Pro Community Admin
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Re: T4S/T8S Run two L1 Model II in mono

ScubaBadger ·
Great to have the extra info thanks. hoping that it still applies to my L1 MKII systems. thanks
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Re: T4S/T8S Run two L1 Model II in mono

ScubaBadger ·
Many thanks for clarifying. Interested in the proposed wireless connection, could you possibly point me to info on that please?
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Re: T4S/T8S Run two L1 Model II in mono

ST ·
Hi ScubaBadger, I'm sorry, I got this conversation confused with another in which someone asked about a wireless solution. Here's the same information in a different context. Please do not take anything that follows as a recommendation or endorsement. The basics To replace a wired connection between a mixer and an L1® Model II, you'll need a transmitter and a receiver. Connect the transmitter to the mixer output you want to send to the remote location. Connect the receiver to the L1® Model...
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Re: T4S/T8S Run two L1 Model II in mono

ST ·
Hi ScubaBadger, Please do not take anything that follows as a recommendation or endorsement. The basics To replace a wired connection between two L1® Compacts you'll need a transmitter and a receiver. Connect the transmitter to the first L1® Compact LINE OUT. Connect the receiver to the second L1® Compact Channel 2 input with the ToneMatch switch set to LINE LEVEL (down) Wireless guitar/microphone systems I use Shure wireless transmitters and receivers. These predate the current digital...
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Re: Global reverb type...

ST ·
Hi ScubaBadger, I'm sorry, we can't commit to what may or may not be in future firmware releases. The sales description distinguishes between effects and reverb referring to them separately Have you tried using delay instead of reverb on one or more of your channesls? I found an interesting article below. Why use delay instead of reverb? ST
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Re: Global reverb type...

ScubaBadger ·
Hi ST Reverb - to me is an "effect" in the same way that you can buy a vocal "effects" pedal for reverb. The statement "Independent ToneMatch, EQ, dynamics and effects per channel" is to me a statement that would indicate to me that "reverb" would be independent in channel status / selection. The "find a delay tweak" is a hack to fix the issue. I just don't buy it that every member of a band would want the same reverb "type" as everyone else on the stage - perhaps why "real" mixers don't...
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Re: Global reverb type...

Seagullman ·
A good article ST. Thanks for the link. Personally I would probably tend to use a Delay- rather than a Reverb-Effect on vocals for the pure reason of keeping the vocals clear and forward in the mix. I have the feeling that many people like reverb (and sometimes a lot of) on their vocals to veil their shortcomings in this department. If I use reverb on my vocals it usually tends to be a larger one where the ambience of a larger room/hall is needed for the song. Tony
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T4S Question: DJ/Playback setting

DMC ·
For the DJ/Playback setting, under the reverb setting, under some scenes, why does it show MUTE and under other scenes allows you to control the reverb? Why can't I control the reverb on every scene setting?
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Re: T4S Question: DJ/Playback setting

ST ·
Hi DMC, Press the middle button under the display (below where it says Muted ). That should open up the Mix and Bright options. Does that help? ST
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Squid ·
Firmware is up to 10.0.10
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
Squid: Yes I know, wrong spelling in my post, its now corrected. I did upgrade to 10.0.10
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
Thank you for an fantastic answer/effort/support. Unfortently it didn't fix the "problem". I was earlier also thinking about main/aux settings, and have tried it. Im sitting now and comparing the two medium reverbs. I would say that the T8S sounds with the BRIGHT 100% compares to T1 BRIGHT 5% And T8S TIME 90% compares to T1 1.70s (estimated counting seconds) If I set it to 17% as you suggested or 50% like I tried before, the reverb i so short that "there is no reverb".
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T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
Hi. Since i really love my T1 mixer and I really needed more channels, I "uppgraded" to T8S, and have now tested it booth live and compared it side by side to the T1. Here are my thoughts and questions: The sound without effects is very close, but I do feel that I can hear some small differences in the preamps. Little more defined in the highs and lows compared to the T1. But they do sound very similar. I tried to copy all the settings from my T1 that always sounded great in every...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

ST ·
Daniel, I'm investigating the question here. It may take me a couple of days to get back to you. I am sorry keep you waiting. ST
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
Are someone else experience this difference between the T1 and T8S?
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

ST ·
Hi Daniel, Congratulations on getting your new T8S. That's good to know you are using the latest firmware. For others reading along you can get that here: T4S T8S Firmware Update Instructions The time setting for reverb on the T4S/T8S is expressed as % (percent) of the time range for each type of reverb. Type Time Range Plate 0 – 4.6 s Small 0 – 0.8 s Medium 0 – 1.9 s Large 0 – 3.5 s Cavern 0 – 7.0 s 100 % is 10 seconds. So the equivalent to your T1® setting would be 17% (see detailed notes...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

ST ·
Hi Daniel, I've found out a little more - and made corrections to my posts above. First - the Reverb engine in the T4S/T8S is new and improved from the T1®. As a result, there is no direct mapping from the T1® settings to the T4S/T8S. Here is how the percentages are applied to each type of reverb. Time is percentage of Time Range for each Type Type Time Range Plate 0 – 4.6 s Small 0 – 0.8 s Medium 0 – 1.9 s Large 0 – 3.5 s Cavern 0 – 7.0 s So your Medium 1.7 seconds on the T1® becomes Medium...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
Finally I had time to test your suggested settings. Im sorry but it still doesn't sound like the old reverb. And of course if Its a complete new reverb it probably won't. But I still have a hard time get at "good" sounding reverb from the T8S. It doesn't matter which Type I use, all reverbs have no "pre-reverb" or what I shall call it. Its completely dry, and after the dry sound there is a reverb "tail" that is quite muffled, dark sounding. I can't at any settings get a "big" ballad sound if...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
A suggestion... Would it be possible in a future update to get some reverb presets to choose from? On my RCF M18 mixer there are a lot presets to choose from and I can get great sounds direct just by choosing one that I like, and maby just fine-tune it a little. Here I am trying and trying and still don't get any good results. To my ears they all sound like a Plate reverb.
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Re: stereo effects

paradis ·
Thanks! For clarity, I'm a longtime T1 user, investigating the new mixers. Having stereo reverb is nice. But I'm slightly amazed that the chorus is only mono, knowing how great an effect stereo chorus can be. Why is that if I may ask? Especially since any modern effects unit, built in or not, seems to have it. Is it because many of the Bose mixers will be used in L1 setups with 'one side only' mono operation, where having just one side of a stereo chorus would sound strange (especially if...
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Re: stereo effects

ST ·
Hi paradis, The Reverb through the main outputs is stereo. When you use Reverb in the Aux 1 output, it is mono. When panning, the Reverb remains centered. The Delays and Modulation effects are mono, but if you run really loud, you may hear a little cross-talk with the Delays when you panned hard to one side. ST
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stereo effects

paradis ·
Does the effect engine of the new mixers operate in stereo? Are chorus and reverb in stereo? When panning a channel in stereo operation, does the reverb effect pan together with the source signal, or does it stay centered, with only the source signel following the pan? Thank you.
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Re: stereo effects

ccc ·
Is your guitar stereo? you can place effects on channels. Other then that a mono signal running through two channels.
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Re: stereo effects

ccc ·
As far as i know you can not place a mono signal into a board and get stereo. If your source is mono you can drive that signal out of your board's output (stereo out) but it is mono into both. You need a stereo source for stereo signal. EG. Guitar two pic ups verses one. Stereo is not the same as a mono signal coming out of two channels, two different signal paths for stereo, mono is one signal which can be channeled through the stereo outs. The effects can be loaded differently on stereo...
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Re: stereo effects

ccc ·
Thanks ST although it may sound picky I get questioned and nailed for using the term stereo generically. I see many using the term stereo, meaning two channels, this is not true stereo. I am not saying one is better, meaning stereo verses stereo effects. I am interested in how effects route out when using an effects loop verses the front of the amp in both stereo and stereo effects. I will check you references shortly as I just read your response.
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Re: stereo effects

ST ·
Hi ccc, There's lots to read on the web about reverb mono input => stereo output. Here are a few places to start: https://audioease.desk.com/cus...-vs-stereo-to-stereo https://www.strymon.net/faq/mo...-stereo-connections/ https://www.reddit.com/r/guita...n_stereo_out_reverb/ and more search results for Reverb mono input stereo output ST
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Re: stereo effects

paradis ·
Hi CCC, yes the source will stay mono, but a stereo effect algorithm will create a stereo sound effect 'around' it, with has slightly different L and R signals. This creates a bigger, more interesting sound. There are even three channel chorusses around, to enhance your mono guitar sound.
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Re: stereo effects

ST ·
Hey paradis, No need to apologize. It's great to have all of us in the conversation. ST
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Re: stereo effects

paradis ·
Hi ST, I'm sorry, I hadn't seen your answer to CC yet.
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

ST ·
Hi Daniel, I'm sorry we can't do a better job to get the sound you want. Are you listening in a small room or a large performance space? Thank you for the suggestion about reverb presets. I've sent that idea through to our engineers. ST
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

paradis ·
FYI, a similar observation (not enough reverb effect in T8S, compared to T1) was made by a customer at the Thomann website.
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

John Marshall ·
Hi, you ask if anyone has experienced a difference between T1 and T8. Yes, I have the T4 now which will be the same reverb for T8. The T4/T8 is different to the T1. I prefer the T1 at the moment but after talking to someone today at Bose they are looking at updating software on the reverb. So, hopefully in a few weeks I'l be able to do A/B tests again between T1 & T4. The reverbs i use are large hall and cavern and the possible length/time of Hall reverb on T1 is 9,25 secs (on mine) and...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Jofen ·
Hi Everyone, I'm having similar issues with the T8S. We played a gig last weekend and the reverb was inaudible. I am confident in that we were sending 50% reverb to mains and on each individual channel. The mix was good - but very dry. Also - Even if the Aux channel is being assigned reverb - shouldn't you be able to send reverb to BOTH the Main and any applicable Aux output? For example, shouldn't I be able to get reverb in the mains as well as send a reverb channel to an aux line out, say...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

ST ·
Hi John, (Jofen), The Reverb settings are different on the T4S/T8S than the T1 (if that's your frame of reference). If you have used a T1, you may need to set Mix and Balance higher on the T8S to get similar results. We have more detailed notes about the reverb settings here: T8S/T4S Reverb Settings Please follow the link for more details. You can assign reverb to the Main outputs AND to Aux 1 at the same time. This link: Reverb Settings goes to a different place within the article to which...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

John Marshall ·
Hi John, The amount of reverb you can apply to T4/T8 is less than the T1 and the time setting is less. I have been in contact with Bose and they are working on the software to make reverb longer if need be and the amount you can apply too will be improved, more like the T1. So at some stage there should be a software update. Cheers, John
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

rory conway ·
Ive been using the T1 tone match for years now, Its an excellent piece of kit, when I heard the t8s was being released I was excited, assuming that the t8s would improve on the already nearly perfect T1, However the reverbs, delays and effects where completely different, the reverbs seemed to be all or nothing, after a few nights of vocals being completely saturated with reverb, to dry, I had to go back to the T1, from what I read the updates haven't helped, Could just not copy and paste the...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

John Marshall ·
Hi Rory, I'm still waiting to hear back from Bose about the updates, so that I can upload them myself. Hopefully I'll get some more info. soon about it. You've probably uploaded the existing updates for T4/T8 which is nothing to do with new updates re. reverb. So I'm waiting patiently and hoping they won't be too long.... John
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

rory conway ·
hi john, I did like the unit as a whole, it had many positives, but when your gigging the reverb and delays are important, ever room is different, I hope the updates are soon, and a padded bag too,
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