Tagged With "reverb"

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Why did Bose remove reverb decay time setting from the new T4s

Donaldjon ·
I have had the ToneMatch T1 for years and just bought the ToneMatch T4s because it was touted as having better effects and more functionality. However I am really disappointed that they removed the ability to change reverb decay times from within the reverb type category. I use this function all the time when I am playing because different songs have different tempos. That was one of the best features on the T1. It is not just a one size fits all in plate, small, medium, large categories. I...
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T1 Tonematch V S1

Steveconwaymusic ·
can anyone help ? Trying to get the same warm reverb on the T1 Tonematch as I have on my S1 standard Reverb cant seem to get that lovely warm depth on the T1 steve
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T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

Steinberger ·
I bought the T8s new tonematch in October last year and even after applying the latest update am totally disapointed in the REVERB quality against the original T1 Tonematch. The version that I have on the T8s is v1.1.4. I have compared the Reverb on both the original T1 and the T8s using Plate - Medium set at 30% and 50% using Neuman KMS105 microphone. The Reverb quality is still not the same as the original T1 even after applying the update V1.1.4. The vocals quality is also much smoother...
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How are you using the Artistic Expression tools in your ToneMatch Mixer

ST ·
Let's talk about these tools in your ToneMatch Mixer . How are you using them? Mod Delay Reverb ST
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T8S Mixer Reverb

Larry ·
I recently purchased a T8S . I have a T1...which was always great... and I needed more channels. I am not able to get global reverb of any kind...no matter what the setting. It simply doesn't work. The only way to get any channel reverb to to turn it up almost all the way...and then it just sounds bad. What can I do to get decent reverb? The T1 reverb was great. Why not just restore the T1 reverb in the T8S ? I have read online about other people having problems like this. I am very...
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T1 ToneMatch audio engine reverbs...?

studoc ·
Hi all, Bought this unit recently, for live solo gigs. Been pretty handy and compact, have read a bit, fiddled a bit, set scenes and changed them.... A bit surprised to find the reverbs lacking any depth.. There are several to choose from, I dial in something in the rehearsal room and of course at the gig am generally looking for a little more, but it just doesn't seem to have any more to offer. Has anyone else had similar experiences..? I find I prefer the reverb on the Yamaha stagepas and...
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Reverb + Other FX for an outdoor setting

Stevie C ·
Hi, Firstly I just wanted to say what a great resource this forum is and the lack of trolls and negative comments is so refreshing (and rare) these days. I've been a more than happy L1 T1 user for approximately 10 years and counting. I don't like getting bogged down in details and I love just finding a good sounding preset for each instrument, plug in and play...beautiful! I've had wonderful feedback over the years on the clarity of my sound (both the PA and hopefully my performance!) but...
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Use reverb/delay for vocals? (Karaoke with T8S and two L1 Model II in a room 70x90 feet)

sri ·
stage is against 70 ft wall and stage size is 27 ft. Keeping my speakers at each end ( 27 ft apart). 1) In this setup I am good to keep all channels in the middle i am guessing (including stereo tracks played from PC thru 7/8 channels) , correct . 2) Question on T8S , During live performance , does people use reverb/delay for vocals ? if please provide some details .is reverb good ? what reverb setting good ..? what delay setting is good ? or use both reverb and delay? Thanks a ton as always ...
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

ST ·
Hi Steve, Thanks for the interesting question. I have a couple for you. What kind of microphone are you using? What ToneMatch Preset are you using? Which L1 model do you have connected to your T1? Thank you, ST
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

Steveconwaymusic ·
Thank you for getting back to me I have the L1 model 1s with B1 bass I’m using the Sure super 55 mic I’m not 100% what I’m doing with the Tonematch T1 im using the shure sm58 preset regards Steve
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

ST ·
Hi Steve, I'm sorry, I forgot to ask you. On the S1 Pro system, where do you have the reverb set? Imagine half-way (the white line) is 12:00 o'clock. What ToneMatch Preset are you using on the S1 Pro (Mic/Guitar/Off)? Thanks, ST
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

Steveconwaymusic ·
Didn’t know there was a preset on S1 as I started using it straight from the box lol its been set on guitar but sounds great :-/
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

Steveconwaymusic ·
The reverb is usually set on a quarter
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

ST ·
Hi Steve. Try setting the ToneMatch switch on the S1 Pro to MIC instead of GUITAR. On the T1 try these settings. Press CHEDIT for the channel you've got connected to the microphone. ToneMatch Category: Vocal Mics Preset: Handheld Mics Reverb Type: Medium Time: 3.5 Mix: 50% On the other side of the Rotary Selector Mix: 50% Bright: 50% How does that sound? ST
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

Steveconwaymusic ·
Thanks ST I’ll give these a try and come back to you many thanks steve
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

Steveconwaymusic ·
Hi ST the S1 is so much better on the mic Setting lol put in the settings you said on the Tonematch T1 just seems too tinny to me compared with the S1 just need a more natural sounding reverb if possible? Regards steve
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

ST ·
Hi Steve, Try turning down the Bright setting, CHEDIT - your mic channel. Rotary Selector: REVERB Mix: 50% Bright: 50% <-- try lowering this. ST
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

Steveconwaymusic ·
ST did what you’ve suggested and still Tinny ive turned of the EQ ,s and it’s sorted the problem sounds lovely and warm now many thanks with the help steve
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Re: T1 Tonematch V S1

ST ·
HI Steve, Thanks for coming back to tell us you found the sound you want. ST
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maximilan, Let's start with the microphone with reverb question first. I did a recording with a Neumann KMS 105 the T1 and T8S. The recording is in stereo with the T1 on one side and the T8S on the other. Please listen to the recording and we'll talk about which is which later. I mixed the same recording down to mono for the third listening test below. Playback Mono - T1 to L1 Model II Use this file: T8S and T1 Reverb - Stereo Connect your computer to the T8S using USB from PC set to the...
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maximilian, I listened to the tracks above and thought you might find them too dry. So I did this again with the time settings T1 Time: 2.43 seconds T8 Time: 50% Please repeat the listening tests above. Which sound do you prefer; 1 or 2? ST
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

Steinberger ·
Hi ST, The second one is the best setting. How do I change it on the T8s? Thanks
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maxmilan, These are the settings on the T8S T8S Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 50% (this is 50% of 4.6 sec = approx 2.30s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 65% ST
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

Steinberger ·
I have set the T8s based on your configuration above and sounds hollow and reverb not as good as the T1 still. Can you not get the same setting T1 Time 1.75 Bal 50 -- Mix 30 Bright 50? this would make life a lot easier. The mic sound is much smoother. I want to use the T8s instead of the T1. Thanks
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maxmilan, These are the settings on the T8S I used in the second recording. The ones you asked for. T8S - in the recording Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 50% (this is 50% of 4.6 sec = approx 2.30s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 65% T8S - new settings to try Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 38% (this is 38% of 4.6 sec = approx 1.75s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 65% <-- You can try turning this down to make things warmer Important Question Are you running the T8S...
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maximilan, I started a new discussion about the Taylor T5 Preset. Please follow the link. T8S and T1 with Taylor T5 Preset Thanks, ST
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hey Everybody, Do you hear a difference between one and two in the recordings above? Do you have a preference? If you have a T4S or T8S and you are running two L1 Model II or L1 Model 1S systems - do you notice a difference playing these tracks through one or both L1 systems? ST
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

Steinberger ·
Hi ST, Perfect I used the following settings and very happy with the results. T8S - new settings to try Global Reverb Reverb - Medium Type: Plate Time: 38% (this is 38% of 4.6 sec = approx 1.75s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 50% Thank you again for the prompt support and look forward now using teh Bose T8s. Happy Bose customer. Kind Regards Max
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Max, Thanks for coming back to tell us this is working for you. ST
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Re: Use reverb/delay for vocals? (Karaoke with T8S and two L1 Model II in a room 70x90 feet)

ST ·
Hi Sri, In a large room (70x90 feet), for Karaoke I wouldn't use much if any reverb. I might use a little bit of digital delay. Here's why. Reverb and delay are electronic simulations of what happens when sound bounces off a reflective surface (like walls). Many people like to hear reverberation when they are singing. It feels natural to have some gentle echoes of their voice coming back to them as they sing. If you sing through headphones and you can't hear the reflections of the room you...
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Re: Use reverb/delay for vocals? (Karaoke with T8S and two L1 Model II in a room 70x90 feet)

sri ·
thanks for your details. I did try these settings but singers for some reason didn't feel comfortable with this delay settings. I kept digital reverb at 30% . They seemed to like it. Can u pls explain what is reverb setting Bright does to the reverb.?
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Re: Use reverb/delay for vocals? (Karaoke with T8S and two L1 Model II in a room 70x90 feet)

ST ·
Hi Sri, How is the sound out in the room? Can you hear the singers clearly over the music? Use the Bright control like a tone control for the reverb sound - and tune it by ear. ST
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Re: Why did Bose remove reverb decay time setting from the new T4s

ST ·
Hi Donaldjon, Welcome to the Bose Portable PA Community. Thanks for the great question. The decay time parameter is not gone, just expressed in a different way. First - have you updated your T4S to the latest firmware? T4S/T8S Firmware Update Instructions Bose addressed customer concerns about the reverb. T4S Reverb Time Parameter The T4S/T8S have a different reverb engine. The way the time value is expressed is different. T1 - time is expressed in milliseconds T4S Global Reverb Settings are...
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Re: T8S Mixer Reverb

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Hello, Larry 4. I'm sorry I missed your reply. We have released a firmware update to address issues with the T8S Reverb (late-November 2018). I can't tell from your post if you have firmware version 1.1.4 Please make sure your T8S is up to date by following this link. T4S/T8S Firmware Update Instructions The Global Reverb applies to all channels - but only if you add it to individual channels. Adding Reverb to a Channel The Reverb function applies a user-adjustable amount of reverb to the...
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Re: T8S Mixer Reverb

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Reminder to our valued community members: This discussion is for replies from Bose and Larry 4 only please.
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Re: T4S Question: DJ/Playback setting

ST ·
Hi DMC, Press the middle button under the display (below where it says Muted ). That should open up the Mix and Bright options. Does that help? ST
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Squid ·
Firmware is up to 10.0.10
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
Squid: Yes I know, wrong spelling in my post, its now corrected. I did upgrade to 10.0.10
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

ST ·
Hi Daniel, Congratulations on getting your new T8S. That's good to know you are using the latest firmware. For others reading along you can get that here: T4S T8S Firmware Update Instructions The time setting for reverb on the T4S/T8S is expressed as % (percent) of the time range for each type of reverb. Type Time Range Plate 0 – 4.6 s Small 0 – 0.8 s Medium 0 – 1.9 s Large 0 – 3.5 s Cavern 0 – 7.0 s 100 % is 10 seconds. So the equivalent to your T1® setting would be 17% (see detailed notes...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
Thank you for an fantastic answer/effort/support. Unfortently it didn't fix the "problem". I was earlier also thinking about main/aux settings, and have tried it. Im sitting now and comparing the two medium reverbs. I would say that the T8S sounds with the BRIGHT 100% compares to T1 BRIGHT 5% And T8S TIME 90% compares to T1 1.70s (estimated counting seconds) If I set it to 17% as you suggested or 50% like I tried before, the reverb i so short that "there is no reverb".
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
Are someone else experience this difference between the T1 and T8S?
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

ST ·
Daniel, I'm investigating the question here. It may take me a couple of days to get back to you. I am sorry keep you waiting. ST
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

ST ·
Hi Daniel, I've found out a little more - and made corrections to my posts above. First - the Reverb engine in the T4S/T8S is new and improved from the T1®. As a result, there is no direct mapping from the T1® settings to the T4S/T8S. Here is how the percentages are applied to each type of reverb. Time is percentage of Time Range for each Type Type Time Range Plate 0 – 4.6 s Small 0 – 0.8 s Medium 0 – 1.9 s Large 0 – 3.5 s Cavern 0 – 7.0 s So your Medium 1.7 seconds on the T1® becomes Medium...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
Finally I had time to test your suggested settings. Im sorry but it still doesn't sound like the old reverb. And of course if Its a complete new reverb it probably won't. But I still have a hard time get at "good" sounding reverb from the T8S. It doesn't matter which Type I use, all reverbs have no "pre-reverb" or what I shall call it. Its completely dry, and after the dry sound there is a reverb "tail" that is quite muffled, dark sounding. I can't at any settings get a "big" ballad sound if...
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Re: T8S Reverb doesnt sound as good as on T1 at all

Daniel Blohm ·
A suggestion... Would it be possible in a future update to get some reverb presets to choose from? On my RCF M18 mixer there are a lot presets to choose from and I can get great sounds direct just by choosing one that I like, and maby just fine-tune it a little. Here I am trying and trying and still don't get any good results. To my ears they all sound like a Plate reverb.
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Re: stereo effects

ccc ·
Is your guitar stereo? you can place effects on channels. Other then that a mono signal running through two channels.
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Re: stereo effects

ST ·
Hi paradis, The Reverb through the main outputs is stereo. When you use Reverb in the Aux 1 output, it is mono. When panning, the Reverb remains centered. The Delays and Modulation effects are mono, but if you run really loud, you may hear a little cross-talk with the Delays when you panned hard to one side. ST
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Re: stereo effects

paradis ·
Thanks! For clarity, I'm a longtime T1 user, investigating the new mixers. Having stereo reverb is nice. But I'm slightly amazed that the chorus is only mono, knowing how great an effect stereo chorus can be. Why is that if I may ask? Especially since any modern effects unit, built in or not, seems to have it. Is it because many of the Bose mixers will be used in L1 setups with 'one side only' mono operation, where having just one side of a stereo chorus would sound strange (especially if...
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Re: stereo effects

ccc ·
As far as i know you can not place a mono signal into a board and get stereo. If your source is mono you can drive that signal out of your board's output (stereo out) but it is mono into both. You need a stereo source for stereo signal. EG. Guitar two pic ups verses one. Stereo is not the same as a mono signal coming out of two channels, two different signal paths for stereo, mono is one signal which can be channeled through the stereo outs. The effects can be loaded differently on stereo...
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Re: stereo effects

ST ·
Hi ccc, There's lots to read on the web about reverb mono input => stereo output. Here are a few places to start: https://audioease.desk.com/cus...-vs-stereo-to-stereo https://www.strymon.net/faq/mo...-stereo-connections/ https://www.reddit.com/r/guita...n_stereo_out_reverb/ and more search results for Reverb mono input stereo output ST
 
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