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Connecting stage monitor/wedge to a Bose L1 via T1 'Tonematch' mixer

kevinaugustine ·
Hi Equipment: Bose L1 model 1s with B2 sub Bose T1 'Tonematch' Engine Vocal Mic: Shure Sh55 Guitar: Alhambra 7Fccwe2 Electroacoustic Flamenco Guitar I gig in a small two-piece band with a female vocalist and myself on classical/flemenco guitar. We use a Bose L1 model 1s with a B2 sub and mainly gig in medium sized bars and restaurants. (50-100 people usually) We plug both the mic and guitar straight into the tonematch using channels 1 and 2 using an xlr cable and 1/4 jack-jack cable...
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Connecting a stage monitor/wedge to a Bose l1 via the T1 'Tonematch engine'

kevinaugustine ·
Hi Equipment: Bose L1 model 1s with B2 sub Bose T1 'Tonematch' Engine (connected to L1 using tonematch cable via tonematch port) Vocal Mic: Shure Sh55 Guitar: Alhambra 7Fccwe2 Electroacoustic Flamenco Guitar I gig in a small two-piece band with a female vocalist and myself on classical/flemenco guitar. We use a Bose L1 model 1s with a B2 sub and mainly gig in medium sized bars and restaurants. (50-100 people usually) We plug both the mic and guitar straight into the tonematch using channels...
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ST ·
Hi Kevin, Thank you for joining the Community. This is a great question and thank you for all the background information. That's really helpful. Yes, you can connect your T1® to an external mixer. Connect the T1® to the L1 Model 1S power stand using the ToneMatch cable as you have been doing up to now. Connect the T1® Master Output to the XLR input on the monitor. Set the INPUT SENS (above) to LINE Use a 1/4" (6mm) Tip-Ring-Sleeve to XLR cable for the connection. Feedback Consideration I...
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Re: Connecting a stage monitor/wedge to a Bose l1 via the T1 'Tonematch engine'

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Please note: Kevin also posted this question in the community forum. Connecting stage monitor/wedge to a Bose L1 via T1 'Tonematch' mixer Please follow the link to see responses he has received there. Bose Pro Community Admin
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Re: Connecting stage monitor/wedge to a Bose L1 via T1 'Tonematch' mixer

scottcald ·
Another option I'd look at since the L1s are in front of you, is put the monitors behind you. Either get an L1 Compact as monitor, or the standard style monitor but behind you. Or, put the Compact to your side and you can keep the volume low because it's at ear level, but right next to you. Hope that's helpful, Scott
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Re: Connecting stage monitor/wedge to a Bose L1 via T1 'Tonematch' mixer

kevinaugustine ·
Thanks so much for the fast swift reply!! Loads of great information and tips to digest! I hope you don't mind me asking one or two follow up questions (please excuse the naivety and simple mindedness of some of them) Firstly, thanks for the suggestion of the TC-Helicon VoiceSolo monitor. As you said, it would certainly reduce the possibility of losing gain before feedback. I guess the only problem with that however, from a selfish point of view, being the guitarist I would also be looking...
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Re: Connecting stage monitor/wedge to a Bose L1 via T1 'Tonematch' mixer

ST ·
Hi Kevin, You're welcome. And we really like questions here. Most of us here got dragged into this business of running sound. It was certainly not on my list when I started playing the guitar. These kinds of devices are personal monitors. In all the TC-Helicon videos where they feature the TC-Helicon VoiceSolo FX150 they always have one for each performer. Interestingly, TC-Helicon promotes this as a very portable floor monitor too. With the T1® you can create a separate mix to send to a...
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Re: Connecting a stage monitor/wedge to a Bose l1 via the T1 'Tonematch engine'

MattS-at-Bose ·
Hi Kevin, I looked at the responses in the community forum and agree with them: Yes, it’s possible to connect the T1 to a powered monitor including the Flexsys FM8. Use the T1 AUX out ¼” TRS to the FM8 XLR Balanced input (set the “Input Sens” to “Line”). Please see page 26 of the T1 owner’s guide to learn how to mix guitar vs. vocal out the T1 AUX: http://products.bose.com/pdf/c...tch_audio_engine.pdf Also, it’s worth noting reverb is not available from the T1 AUX monitor mix. Thanks, ...
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Wanting to know how to set up all my instruments & Equip w/ToneMatch

Michael Marlon Majors ·
I have a Bose Series1 LII with a B1 Bass Module. I am a songwriter/performer. I have a MotifXS8 Keyboard, A S49 Native Instruments Midi Keyboard, Martin Acoustic/Electric Guitar, Fernandez Electric Guitar, Peavey Active Bass, I use Drums in Logic Pro X, I use VoiceLive 2 by TC Helicon for Vocals, I have Line 6 FireHawk Guitar Effects/Pedal, I use 2 mixers...Cakewalk v100 & Behringer Xenyx 802, I also use a Marshall Guitar Amp 250mg dfx. I also have 2 JBL Passive Speakers that I don't...
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Re: Wanting to know how to set up all my instruments & Equip w/ToneMatch

MattS-at-Bose ·
Hi Michael, Wow! What’s your goal? For live performance or for recording? Which instruments? It might best if you call L1 Support at 877-335-2673 for this question. The Analog Input on the power stand is available for general purpose line-level input (like a keyboard) in addition to the ToneMatch inputs. The Bass – Line Out is optional if you add a Bose PackLite amp with more subs. Honestly, this is unlikely. The ToneMatch hasn’t seen new preset development in a very long time. I recommend a...
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Re: Connecting stage monitor/wedge to a Bose L1 via T1 'Tonematch' mixer

kevinaugustine ·
Hi all Firstly, apologies for my unintended late reply....holidays and a break from technology (for once) are to blame for this! Just to say a massive thank you to all of you who have been so kind and knowledgeable in your replies to my queries. I'm genuinely taken-a-back by by the readiness and level of support and passion on this forum. Truth is, I've learned more about my L1 and F1 systems in the last few days from being here than I have in the last year of fiddling and trying to find out...
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Re: Connecting stage monitor/wedge to a Bose L1 via T1 'Tonematch' mixer

kevinaugustine ·
Hi all Firstly, apologies for my unintended late reply....holidays and a break from technology (for once) are to blame for this! Just to say a massive thank you to all of you who have been so kind and knowledgeable in your replies to my queries. I'm genuinely taken-a-back by by the readiness and level of support and passion on this forum. Truth is, I've learned more about my L1 and F1 systems in the last few days from being here than I have in the last year of fiddling and trying to find out...
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Re: Connecting a stage monitor/wedge to a Bose l1 via the T1 'Tonematch engine'

kevinaugustine ·
Hi all Firstly, apologies for my unintended late reply....holidays and a break from technology (for once) are to blame for this! Just to say a massive thank you to all of you who have been so kind and knowledgeable in your replies to my queries. I'm genuinely taken-a-back by by the readiness and level of support and passion on this forum. Truth is, I've learned more about my L1 and F1 systems in the last few days from being here than I have in the last year of fiddling and trying to find out...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

ST ·
Hi Tom For future reference, I found the manual for your monitors here. http://harbingerproaudio.com/w...ri-Series_Manual.pdf I use the Kemper Profiling Amp too. Its a total game changer. i just went to your site to find a picture. I was curious what guitars your guitarist plays. I understand why you want the same mix in the monitors as Front of House. But you need a way to control the volume of the monitors independ of the Front of House for better control to avoid feedback. I know it's...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
ST, All makes sense. I never thought of cloning the master mix. Brilliant idea. Thanks so much. Also for the Harbinger manuals. I will try out the cloning first and see how that works. Will also check the cancellation through the Harbingers. Thanks again, tom p.s. I play a regular stock Strat American DeLuxe Strat https://images.reverb.com/imag...sqc8kf3nm3zareiz.jpg A regular stock Tele American DeLuxe https://images.reverb.com/imag...0o3umhgubrkdoy5z.jpg Both with the noiseless pickups and...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

JohnL ·
Just curious, did you guys ever consider the L1 systems instead? That would suit your playing/monitor style more, plus you gain the advantage of a much cleaner stage front.
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JohnL ·
Instead of both actually. L1M2 systems would replace your entire rig, F1, Harbingers, and maybe even IEMs and mixer. Depending on how many L1 systems you get.
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TomF1 ·
You mean instead of the F1s or instead of the Harbingers?
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Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
Hi, I play in a Pink Floyd 4 piece cover band (Midnight-Floyd.com) and we had very mixed results with the F1s for various reasons. One of the issues we have a lot is feedback because we often loop 2 600w Harbingers between the 812s and the mixer. So the chain is currently: Mixer XAir18 -> Sennheiser In Ear Monitor Transmitter -> Harbinger Monitor -> F1 812 -> F1 Sub. We are all plugged into the mixer (Digital drum set, bass direct in, Kemper profiling amp, keys, mics) The reason...
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ST ·
Hi TomF1, Thank you for joining the Community. I appreciate the description of your band and what you are doing. Nice to meet you. I found this document on the Harbinger monitors http://harbingerproaudio.com/w...118_HP115_Manual.pdf What model of Harbinger are you using? If yours is not covered by the document above, please give us a link to the manual for your monitors. Thanks, ST
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TomF1 ·
ST, Nice to meet you too. Thanks for your reply. I have the Harbinger V2112. They are not part of this document. Here is a link. Thanks again, tom http://www.musiciansfriend.com...6037401060x147284900
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

JohnL ·
Multiple L1M2 systems can easily handle crowds up to 500 or so at hard rock levels. But if not, using 3 L1 systems behind the band as monitors will allow you to move the F1s further out to the side as FOH while minimizing feedback all throughout. Multiple L1s can get loud. Even for large crowds specially in open air venues. All while eliminating front monitors perhaps even IEMs and mixer.
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TomF1 ·
Not sure I understand. I can't imagine the L1s replacing the F1s. In a small pub maybe but anything larger than 200 people?
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TomF1 ·
ST, Jonathan, JohnL, Thank you all for your thoughtful comments. I spent all of this day to read up on the L1s and the concepts. For now I won't be able to convince my band mates to cough up something north of $2,000 each and BYO PA. Have to find a way to introduce the idea and create the desire. Until then I will work with what I have. Maybe replace the Harbingers at some point with L1s without the tone match and keep adding over time. Jonathan, Your point about separate Monitor Mix is well...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

JohnL ·
The 1 L1 per member does take a lot of convincing. Very gutsy on the i3. I don't think I could be comfortable with the limited range given the weight of the gear. I used to lug all my gear in my 5 series. Now I use an X5 (Can you tell I'm a Bimmer nut?) Given that you already lug around the F1, you could personally replace the Harbinger with an L1M2 to use as your personal monitor behind you, you'll find that it feels much like having a full stack behind you, except one that sounds good at...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
Interesting idea. Just read up about it. Our concept is to scale from the smallest places (~50 people cafes) to about 300-500. But most of the time we want to bring Pink Floyd music with an excellent sound to small places that otherwise would never host a PF coverband. No guitar amps, no bass amps, digital drums, all goes into the XAir 18 mixer. And I have a BMW i3 (smaller than a VW Golf) that has to hold all my guitar equipment and the PA, cables, etc. So my desire is a small footprint on...
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Jonathan in Charlotte ·
A few more things to think about: If you are using much compression and EFX on the vocals in the house you are duplicating that in monitors, and that would be a huge contributor to feedback along with the aforementioned inability to EQ separately. I'd strongly encourage you to go to discrete monitor mixes, no matter how you build them, for the reasons mentioned earlier. (whether from a copy of house, house copy to matrix, etc.) You can also try to move the F1 stack a bit back so the vocals...
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TomF1 ·
ST, JohnL, You just lost me. I don't have an L1 so I can't try what you are asking. And I think you mean 'in driving direction" (flat) when you say "perpendicular to the direction". Now, I can tell you that the F1 subs will not fit upright in the cargo space. The Harbingers will. The F1s have to either 1) lay down flat on top of each other (see pic, bad) or 2) the subs flat and lined up with the passenger seat all the way to the front and the 812 lined up, flat behind the driver's seat. (no...
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ST ·
Hi Tom, I'm sorry, I got mixed up a bit here. I've been talking with another Tom who has two L1®s and two F1s. I've gone back and made a couple of visible edits in my long post above. About the direction of travel stuff, I meant that I never put the L1® sections lengthwise, parallel to a line from front to back of the car. Basically, whenever I'm packing a car, I'm aware of where things will end up in the event of a crash. It's been fun to look at the BMW i3 online. Good food for thought.
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TomF1 ·
JohnL, The i3 does about 120 miles on one charge and then as much as you need on the REX. Again, the idea of the small footprint. The Xair does have feedback suppression built in but there is only so much you can do. I just tried something. I cranked the pa up until feedback and then I turned off one effect after the other (Enhancer/exciter, compressor, reverb, delay). I was able to move the master fader up significantly before the feedback returned. So there is something to tinker with.
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JohnL ·
Hi ST, The i3 has approx 50" of clearance. the beauty of the car is that there is no center hump on the floor. It narrows a little for the wheel wells but not by much. The L1 radiators should fit perpendicular while on top of B2 or the power stand. I used to place them right behind the front seats to minimize velocity in hitting the front seats should I get into a frontal collision. https://secure.bmw.com/com/en/.../technical_data.html
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ST ·
Hi Tom, For the last 13 years, I've been aware that I need a minimum of 44" (111 cm) to place the lower (longer) section of an L1® Cylindrical Radiator® in a car. I always place them at 90 degrees (perpendicular) to the direction of travel. I've been digging around the web, unsuccessfully, to see if you can lay the L1® Cylindrical Radiator® sections. Have you tried it? ST
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JohnL ·
Hi TomF1, Sorry that it got side tracked. But ST and I were just theorizing on how many L1s can fit in the i3. The space in the back seat, the footwell area, that can fit about 6-8 L1 radiator sections (3-4 sets) And where the F1s and Harbinger are can fit about 3 B2s and 3 power stands.
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JohnL ·
120 miles? Hmmm ... Dealer here told me between 70-80 miles before the rex kicks in. Good to hear that you've located a possible source. I'm guessing the excited and reverb
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TomF1 ·
That was the 2014-2016 with the 60ah battery. You can get the 2017 with 60ah or 94ah.
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ST ·
Hi Tom, You've given me a wealth of interesting things to look at. I enjoyed the pictures and reading about the pickups and your car. Have you seen this background information about the L1®? The L1® Approach and the History of Amplification I'm probably the most ardent advocate for the multi L1® band concept that you'll ever meet. My basic rig is a guitar, microphone, Kemper Profiling Amp, Bose T1® and an L1® Compact or L1® Model II depending on the size of the gig. Most of my musical...
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Litesnsirens ·
Let me suggest before you move from F1 to L1 you maybe try renting them for one of your more taxing gigs where you need the volume to cut through a crowd. I went the other way, I had L1s and went to F1s, not directly but that's another story. Anyway, I was unfortunately the only band member contributing to the PA and I could only afford two L1 systems. We ran half the band through the first L1 and the other half through the second. There were venues we played were it didn't quite cut it. The...
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TomF1 ·
Litesnsirens , Thanks for your comments. Looks like we have a lot in common. I'm also the sole financier of all shared equipment and wouldn't dare to ask the rest of the band to BYOL1. Renting is definitely a good idea to let the spark jump over. I'm happy with the sound of the F1 too but they are a bit intimidating for smaller cafes and still heavier and bigger to transport than the L1 I guess. Interestingly you put the monitors last in the chain. I tried that too but had problems with the...
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Litesnsirens ·
More in common, my band is all digital and direct to board as well. I wasn't worried about the low end being filtered out of the monitors due to the crossover between the 812 and the sub, in fact I was hoping it would be. The frequencies that the subs put out are omni directional and can be heard as well behind the speaker as in front. If the monitors don't have to try to put out those low frequencies it's less taxing on them. Ideally they would just reproduce what the 812s are doing but ST...
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Would L1 model 2 work as monitors with F1 system

dbmurcia ·
Hi, some background info. My sons are in a Coldplay tribute band and do gigs in venues for between 200 - 800 people (inside and and outside). I recently upgraded their PA to 2x F1 tops & 2x 812 subs the FOH sound is fantastic, really happy with them. The problem is they now have a stage set up with a stage runway of around 4 meters for the vocalist. I have to say the crowd love it and it makes it more Coldplay. The issue is major feedback with the PA situated in the conventional area...
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ST ·
Hi dbmurcia, Thank you for joining the Community. This is a wonderful question! Looking at your diagram (thank you!) - it appears the distance from the L1®s to the F1s is about 12 meters. Is that correct? Overall, I think this could work very well. If the distance is 12 meters between the L1®s and the F1s, you'll want to introduce about 40 milliseconds delay between the L1®s and F1s so the sound is synchronized for the people who can hear both. That is: for the people who are in the area...
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