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Re: What determines when to upgrade to L1 Model 1S or larger system?

NoMoreBlackBoxes ·
Available money is a biggie, especially in the UK where apparently the price in £ uses the same numbers as the price in dollars. I think customer service and support compensates hugely. I took advantage of some available money to purchase a secondhand L1s/B2/T1 setup. If I had more money available (or had caught the deal I saw on Ebay a few months later) I would have bought an L1M2 for the wider, longer sound dispersion over more of the frequency range. For me, the occasions when the Compact...
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What determines when to upgrade to L1 Model 1S or larger system?

MtnSong ·
What determines when to upgrade to L1 Model 1S or larger system? I used my L1 Compact quite successfully for a solo gig in a ballroom with about 120 plus in attendance. I believe everyone heard the performance well, but, I was wondering if there were clear criterion or limits to consider when using the Compact?
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Re: What determines when to upgrade to L1 Model 1S or larger system?

ST ·
Hi MtnSong, Thank you for joining us. When you can't reach all the listeners in your audience, it's time to move up. I know that sounds really simplistic, but generalizations are no replacement for your direct experience. I've reached over 350 attentive people in a quiet hall that was specifically designed for an intimate listening experience. That was an exceptional situation. And I've also felt that the Compact was at its limit in a noisy club with 60 people. Please tell us more about your...
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Re: What determines when to upgrade to L1 Model 1S or larger system?

Seagullman ·
Hi MtnSong, ST wrote: "When you can't reach all the listeners in your audience, it's time to move up. I know that sounds really simplistic, but generalizations are no replacement for your direct experience. I've reached over 350 attentive people in a quiet hall that was specifically designed for an intimate listening experience. That was an exceptional situation. And I've also felt that the Compact was at its limit in a noisy club with 60 people." I agree completely with what he's saying...
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Re: What determines when to upgrade to L1 Model 1S or larger system?

MtnSong ·
Thank each of you for your responses, all excellent, experienced, and thoughtful. I have had my L1 Compact for 5 or 6 years, it has been a really remarkable unit - I am almost always amazed at its performance, "reach", penetration, and overall fine quality/true sound! But, I have played some events where, I was not sure of the "reach" for some of the audience, usually, "dinner performance" gigs, where people had to be distributed over a larger area that and audience/concert setting. These...
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Re: What determines when to upgrade to L1 Model 1S or larger system?

ST ·
Hi Rick, Although having a T1® is ideal, you can use another mixer with the Model 1S. Do you have a mixer now? I can help you get that wired up if you'll tell us the make and model. A link to the manual would be helpful. ST
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Re: What determines when to upgrade to L1 Model 1S or larger system?

ST ·
Hi, Rick! The Mackie mixer will work fine with the L1® Model 1S analog input on the power stand. Basically, you would set it up the same way as you did when connecting to the L1® Compact channel 2 1/4" input. For others following along, we have some more detailed notes about that here. Stereo Mixer to Mono L1® Yes, you could run the TC Helicon VoiceTone Harmony-G XT full mix output to the L1® Model 1S analog input. Use an XLR to 1/4" Tip-Ring-Sleeve converter. I've done the same thing with a...
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Re: What determines when to upgrade to L1 Model 1S or larger system?

MtnSong ·
Good morning, ST, Thanks for your response. I have used a Mackie FX8 into the line input on my L1 Compact to bring in a couple of more instruments, and more mics, with two or three musicians, and that works fine. And most of my performances in the last few years, I usually use a TC Helicon VoiceTone Harmony-G XT between my vocal mic, acoustic guitar and the L1 Compact (mic out from the GXT into the Mic in on the Bose, and instrument out/thru from the GXT to the line in on the Bose) which...
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Re: Help with product selection, PLEASE

ST ·
Hi Jim, Thank you for joining the Community. I'm glad that you're here. What are the dimensions of the room? (Length, Width, Height). Is there a stage? Is it raised? How high? This is where the question of dimensions of the room are important. If you plan to stay in this room until you outgrow its capacity, then we need to know the greatest distance between the performers and the listeners. Agreed. You can run the L1® Model 1S as low as you need to accommodate the space and the listeners.
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Re: Help with product selection, PLEASE

ST ·
Hi Jim, Perfect fit! This will work well. It is best if the listeners' ears are at the same height as the of the Cylindrical Radiator® array. The active part of the vertical tower is from 40" to 80" from the floor. If you were set up on the 3-4' stage, then you would need an L1® Model II. 36 feet is well within the effective range of the L1® Model 1S. The wide dispersion is where all the L1® models excel. You've got room to grow. The L1® Model 1S sounds like a great fit for you now and as...
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Re: Help with product selection, PLEASE

Jim_McCrum ·
Thank you ST. The room dimensions are roughly 40' deep by 80' wide. There is a stage area centered on one of the 80' walls. The stage extends back another 16' or so. It's raised about 3-4'. We don't use the stage. We set up on the floor. My intent is to place the sound system on the floor. Near but not against the wall behind us where we set up. The maximum depth of throw would be about 36' but there's potentially a wide disbursement that could be necessary down the road if and when we grow...
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Re: Help with product selection, PLEASE

Jim_McCrum ·
That's awesome, ST. Thanks for all the input. The room seems to be a little bass heavy so I figured the B1 would be sufficient for now. Based on the specs, sounds like I could always add a second B1 down the road if needed. I just order the system last night off Sweetwater. I started to second guess by decision. Sound like it was the right one all along. Once we take delivery and run our first Sunday with it, I'll let you in on the results. Thanks again.
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Re: Help with product selection, PLEASE

ST ·
Hi Jim, Yes, please come back and tell us what you hear and how you like it. Thanks, ST
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Help with product selection, PLEASE

Jim_McCrum ·
Hello all, I'm new to this forum. I've been browsing through the posts for the past week or so gathering whatever info I can on the L1 systems. I'm trying to determine what may be the best system to purchase without going way overboard. My apologies for the very long post. I'm currently part of a small church plant. We meet each Sunday in a rented multipurpose room belonging to a local school. The room doubles as gymnasium/performing arts theater. The room is capable of seating about 200.
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L1 1S Power Base

Pjbrady ·
I was at an auction the other day and I bought the speaker column and case from a L1 1S system. I knew all the parts weren't there for the complete system when I bought it but the price was too good to pass up. So now I'm home and it seems that the other parts are going to be hard to come by. I found some power bases sold new in the UK but no one on the internet in the US even seems to sell them. I can always make my own stand and power the array with stuff I have so I think I'll come out OK...
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Re: L1 1S Power Base

ST ·
Hi Patrick, Thank you for joining the Community. Try calling Bose Support to see if they can sell you a Power Stand. Call Bose® Product & Technical Support at (877) 335-2673 (U.S. and Canada only) Monday-Friday: 9:00 AM - 9:00 PM ET It's a free call. ST
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L1 Model 1S not powering on

Madhu ·
This is the second time I try to power on the system, after few seconds I heard a pop sound front of the power stand may be through the Air vent, after that I was not able to power on at all. I was powering the power stand using the anti-surge protection extension lead, first time two weeks ago it was completely fine. Please provide any valuable inputs. Thanks.
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Re: L1 Model 1S not powering on

ST ·
Hi Madhu, Thank you for joining the Community. I am sorry to see you are having a problem with your L1® Model 1S. Have you tried using a different power source? If you have and there is still no response, please contact your Bose dealer or contact Bose UK. Bose House, Quayside, Chatham Maritime Kent, ME4 4QZ, UK Bose UK Tel: +44 (0)3330-142545 pro_uk@bose.com Thank you, ST
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Re: Power Stand: Can you use L1 Model 1S power stand with Model II speakers?

trav12 ·
Thanks so much for your response and the input!! I'll be speaking with Bose when they open tomorrow morning about a replacement power stand. Do you happen to know if they will be able to sell me just the stand? My Bose is over 3 years old thus past the warranty. Thanks!
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Re: Power Stand: Can you use L1 Model 1S power stand with Model II speakers?

ST ·
Hi Trav12, Please call Bose in the morning. I don't have all the details, but I'm sure they have ways to get you going quickly. Have a great evening. ST
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Power Stand: Can you use L1 Model 1S power stand with Model II speakers?

trav12 ·
My L1 Model II Power Stand has taken a turn for the worse. I'm in a time crunch and have the chance to purchase an L1 Model 1S Power Stand while my stand gets sent to Bose for repair/replacement. Does anyone know if it will power the Model II speakers (w/B2 Sub)? Thanks!!! Travis
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Re: Power Stand: Can you use L1 Model 1S power stand with Model II speakers?

ST ·
Hi Travis, I'm sorry to hear your L1® Model II power stand has to go in for service. Have you talked to Bose Support? Bose® Product & Technical Support at (877) 335-2673 (U.S. and Canada only) Monday-Friday: 9:00 AM - 9:00 PM ET Unfortunately, the L1® Model 1S power stand will not work with the Cylindrical Radiator® from the L1® Model II. The B2 will work, but that's no help in this situation. I wish I had better news. ST
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Re: Power Stand: Can you use L1 Model 1S power stand with Model II speakers?

trav12 ·
Bose Customer Service was Awesome! I have a new power stand being overnighted to me. Thanks!
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Re: Power Stand: Can you use L1 Model 1S power stand with Model II speakers?

ST ·
Hi Trav12, That's great. I knew they would take care of you. Thanks for letting us know. ST
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Broken analog input (Model L1 1S)

SedonaRick ·
My own fault, I tripped over the cable and cracked the plastic housing. Occasionally now I'm not getting a good connection. I've had the system for a couple of years so pretty sure it of warranty and i can't find anyone to work on it. I can do the repair myself if i can just figure out how to get the cover off (removing the legs seems to be the only difficulty). Can you help me out us the only answer to ship it to the repair center in Indiana? I really need the system 2-3 times a week so...
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Re: Broken analog input (Model L1 1S)

ST ·
Hi, SedonaRick. I'm sorry you've damaged the analog input on your L1®. Please call Bose Support in the morning and they can tell you about various options for service. Bose® Product & Technical Support at (877) 335-2673 (U.S. and Canada only) Monday-Friday: 9:00 AM - 9:00 PM EST Thank you, Bose Pro Community Admin
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T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

ST ·
Some people have expressed concern because the T8S ToneMatch mixer does not have ToneMatch (digital) connections to L1 Model 1S and L1 Model II. I've taken the time to test this carefully. To my ears, there is no audible difference between the digital and the analog connections. The background and some notes about how I tested follow below. The best way I know to detect differences in sound is to do an A/B switch back and forth instantly. Even a few seconds between listening events can lead...
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

Moon Dog ·
Thanks for doing this....Not sure what my electrical engineering professor would say about this "experiment." Pretty subjective at best....to me not providing a digital output is the oversight of the century.....sorry.
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

ST ·
Hi Moon Dog, I hope you'll take the opportunity to try out a T8S when they become available. I'd be interested to know what you hear. ST
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

benderman57 ·
Very interested in how this plays out. Don't get me wrong I see where Bose was coming from as they were not gonna be happy with the T8S since the L1 Stand was not capable of supplying enough power for the mixer. I don't think the solution they came up with was the only one they could have but I believe you when you say it still sounds great I'll just want to hear more real world trials from people who know how they should sound already. I need more channels and do this already sub-mixing...
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

Moon Dog ·
So....I have been using BOSE for years now in my show so I am willing to test this out. I have one on order but will keep my two Tonematch mixers until I can confirm, the analog out is as good as the digital. I played last night at a very quiet intimate venue and my system sounded like you were listening to a record....so cool.
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

snakehips ·
Hi there ! Not been on the Bose forum for quite some time but I have just noticed there are some new Tonematch mixers. i have a blues acoustic duo, and we bought one Bose L1mkII, two B1 bass modules, and each use a T1 Tonematch mixer, about 8yrs ago - and love using them. In some pub gigs, with a small PA system already set up, and no room to set up the L1 additionally, we have often used just our Tonematch mixers with the in-house PA and still got great results. Our Tonematch mixers are...
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

ST ·
Hi SnakeHips, Here's how you can check if you need to update your firmware. What version level is your T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine? (T1® for short) Turn the Rotary Selector to Prefs Press the first button Turn the first button until you see Versions Press the button The versions for the firmware will be displayed. The versions shown below are sample values. See: T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine Firmware Updates for the latest firmware See: T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine Firmware Updates for the latest...
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

jimboblueice ·
Hi, Just received my new T8s and starting to find my way around it. As recommended, the first thing I did was to update the firmware to the latest version. However, with no digital connection capability to my L1 Model IIs, there is now no way to check / update the firmware in the L1 Power Stands. Is there going to be another way of doing this? Jim S.
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

snakehips ·
Hi there ! I’ve had my L1mk2 plus two Tonematch T1’s since about 2009 I think - and never ever upgtaded the firmware in anything. Am I missing anything ??? Never had any issues - so should I do firmware updates ???
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

Moon Dog ·
I think he was referring to the firmware on the L1 Power Stand. If you only have a T8S you have no way to check or update the firmware on the Power Stand. I think a firmware upgrade was required if you wanted to use the B2s with an older Power Stand. Newer ones likely have the correct firmware.
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

ST ·
Hi Jim, I'm sorry I missed your question. Please check with your Bose dealer to see if they can help or contact Bose Support. -- ST United Kingdom Bose House, Quayside, Chatham Maritime Kent, ME4 4QZ, UK Bose UK Tel: +44 (0)3330-142545 pro_uk@bose.com
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

ST ·
Hi SnakeHips, If you mean the Model II Power Stands. What version is your Power Stand? Turn the Rotary Selector to Prefs Press the first button Turn the first button until you see Power Stand Press the button The version is displayed. The latest versions add support for the B2 Bass Module The latest Power Stand EQ: 1.0.4 The latest Power Stand Firmware: 1.4 If you have Power Stand Firmware 1.4 or 1.5 you do not need to update your Power Stand. 1.5 Some Model II Power Stands have been shipped...
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Re: T8S Analog vs Digital Connection to L1 Model 1S and Model II

jimboblueice ·
Yes, that's correct, I was referring to the L1 Power Stand. I 'm currently using B1 Bass Modules, so not a problem for me at the moment , I may not be able to without a firmware upgrade on the Power Stand. But could be a problem for some people (including myself in the future) who wanted to upgrade to B2s and had "older" Power Stands with old versions of the firmware.
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Re: Outdoor venues

ST ·
Hi, Dana, Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community. I'm glad you're here. Please tell us about your events. It would be extremely helpful to know: What kind of music are you performing? Are you performing solo or with a group? How many performers? How many microphones? How many instruments? Are you the feature of the event or providing background music? What will people in the audience be doing while you are performing? Listening attentively? Wandering by? Partying boisterously...
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Outdoor venues

dana ·
Does the L1 Model 1S offer enough coverage for outdoor venues? i.e.: summer concert series with 300 people?
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Re: Outdoor venues

dana ·
I am a children's recording artist/entertainer. I will be using the system for smaller indoor venues (libraries, schools) and larger (malls), but mostly for outdoor settings such as zoos, summer concert series, parks, etc. I usually perform as a single using backing tracks with live guitar and/or keyboard. Audience will be children, so sound should not be too loud at front of audience, yet reach to the back of the venue. I use a wireless headset mic and move around A LOT. All of this said,...
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Re: Outdoor venues

dana ·
I should clarify... I sing to instrumental tracks from my recordings, but sometime might add guitar or keyboard to this.
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Re: Outdoor venues

ST ·
Hi Dana, It's hard to tell from the description on Amazon, but it looks like you may have If it is an omnidirectional microphone, that means it picks up sound from all directions. You may need to be careful not to walk in front of the L1® with the microphone visible to the L1®. Did that make sense? If you have trouble, then you can likely get a unidirectional microphone that will work with the wireless transmitter/receiver. I found one here , but I haven't used one of these, so that's not a...
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Re: Outdoor venues

dana ·
Oh, and I forgot to answer... I am mostly in front of the audience, but sometimes venture out among the kiddos for a brief moment. Not a far distance. Usually, they are creeping up on me! : )
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Re: Outdoor venues

ST ·
Hi Dana, Are you moving around on the stage or out in the audience too? You're probably okay with one L1® although, from a monitoring standpoint, you might be happier with two. You can alleviate that though if you use a T8S. You might consider getting an S1 Pro or two as monitors. This depends on the kind of wireless headset you are using. If the microphone polar pattern is omni directional you may have some issues. I've had great results with unidirectional headset microphones. What make...
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Re: Outdoor venues

dana ·
You guys are the best. Thanks so much for your advice. Here's a link to my wireless headset mic: https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I recently purchased this and have only used it once with my old system. Hopefully, it won't have feedback issues. I am inclined to go with your suggestions and try the L1 Model ll with a B2. If I feel a need to add the S1 Pro as a monitor, I'll do that. It looks like a nifty little thing that might suffice for my very small intimate shows in...
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Re: Outdoor venues

ST ·
Hi Dana, Thanks for the added information. Let me confirm - Do you already have an L1® Model 1S? Do you have a B1 or B2 bass module? I have had surprisingly good results with my L1® Model 1S outdoors. If there's not a lot of background noise, (automobile traffic, other sound sources, boisterous audience), you can be heard well. If people are free to move closer or farther away during your shows, then this may all work out fine. If you've got fixed seating for 300, and you're trying to reach...
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Re: Outdoor venues

dana ·
Thank you all for the very helpful feedback. I appreciate it very much. To answer your questions, ST... I have not yet purchased anything and one of my next questions was going to be whether the model ll would be a better choice. I am thinking now of the model ll with the bass 1. Wondering if this would be sufficient, or if it would be better to get 2 of the L1's. When I am performing with the small combo, it is in a small ballroom sized space or smallish club setting. I do not need to be...
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Re: Outdoor venues

jdbassentertainment.com ·
I agree with ST, there are many advantages to using the L1 Model II system including coverage ease of use and portability... I'd say go that and give it a whirl it might be the perfect fit.
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