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Bose L1 Compact + larger L1 model = stereo??

dagh ·
Hi guys! The first time I write in here. Instead of having two equal Compacts for stereo, has some experience with replacing one of them with a larger model, will this work with different PAs?
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Re: Bose L1 Compact + larger L1 model = stereo??

ST ·
Hi DagH, Thank you for joining the Community. It's nice to meet you. If you don't push the volume to the limits of the L1® Compact, you can get some good stereo results with an L1® Compact and an L1® Model 1S or L1® Model II. There are some interesting differences between the models. The L1® Compact goes down to around 65 Hz. The L1® Model 1S and Model II go down to around 40 Hz. At moderate volume, if you are not deliberately listening for differences of a mismatched pair, you may not...
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Re: Bose L1 Compact + larger L1 model = stereo??

dagh ·
Thank you for your answer! and nice to be here. This was a more general question. Based on that I hope to get jobs on different places with different space. I now there is several factors to consider, but with your answer I feel that I am not doomed to fail. There could be something that I had forgotten to think about. There are discussions on Internet about using two Compacts, but not much about using different models. I think that with different size, you can chose between the most...
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Re: Bose L1 Compact + larger L1 model = stereo??

dj sob-lib ·
dagh did you try mismatch it!!l1 compact with l1 model 2 in stereo mode??hows the sound?does it go loud?im planning the same way coz i got 1 l1 model 1s with b2 bass for dj in hall qround 200-300 people mostly hiphop and salsa
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Re: Bose L1 Compact + larger L1 model = stereo??

dagh ·
Your hall has the same size as where I played. Don't know your prx. But where the my non-Bose speaker was placed there was a closet, and the roof was only about 2,5 meter. So I had to place it near the closet and a towards the roof to get more bass out of it. It worked well for me, but I don't need so much bass in my music as you with your HipHop. I have not tried with the speaker on the floor. My own experience with Bose, is only two times playing with my Compact (and listening to the other...
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Re: Bose L1 Compact + larger L1 model = stereo??

dj sob-lib ·
ok thanks i guess ill try it next month for my gig aloha
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Re: Bose L1 Compact + larger L1 model = stereo??

dagh ·
1. Today I was playing with my Bose L1 compact in stereo, but not together with another Bose, because I don't have one yet. Instead I had to use an ordinary 12 or 15 inch? speaker together with my Compact. I had prepared myself with a cheap graphic equalizer with long cables, out on the dance floor. My hypopthesis was that I had to mix to change the frequency response, especially in the higher frequences, and not so much in the lower. Because the higher frequencies are more directed...
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Re: Bose L1 Compact + larger L1 model = stereo??

dj sob-lib ·
the hall im taking about is the size of a basketball gym and the dance floor is like 50 feet by 80 feet roughly estimate..and around 50 to 100 dancing and the crowd is loud...but ill be using my 2 prx 715xlf on this L1 model 1s just to carry more bass..now my question is will the bose be loud enough for this type of crowd if one is l1 compact and the other one is l1 model 1s
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Re: Bose L1 Compact + larger L1 model = stereo??

dagh ·
dj sob-lib, it would have been good if you had shared, if there will be useful experience and discoveries after your gig next month! D ifficult to find useful information about this subject elsewhere on the Internet.
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Re: How to get stereo with Bose L1?

ST ·
Hi HY, Thank you for joining the Community. Wonderful. The L1® is mono. If your source is stereo (two channels designated Left and Right) you would require two L1®s to make stereo. T1® channel 4/5 combines the Left and Right channels to mono. Please tell us how you will be using your L1®. Will you be playing pre-recorded music, or using it for live performances? Thank you, ST
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How to get stereo with Bose L1?

HO YOUNG ·
Hi guys, I am going to buy BOSE L1 Model II system. One quick question is how to get stereo with Bose L1 system(only single system, not two for left and right). If the music source is stereo file then the single line array can make "Stereo Sound" or it requires one more system for Left and Right to make stereo? The stereo source can send T1 4/5 channel and then the single line array(speaker) can make stereo sound or it can be mono sound? Thank you for your kind help. HY
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Re: How to get stereo with Bose L1?

HO YOUNG ·
Thank you, ST, for your quick and kind explnation. I expected the stereo sound with just one "L1 Model II System". I am playing Saxophone with stereo back-sound source but it might be just one L1 system doesn't make stereo sound unfortunately. Having two L1 system is cost for me. Um.........@^.^@.... Thank you, HY
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Re: How to get stereo with Bose L1?

ST ·
Hi HY, Thanks for the added information. Let me suggest that you may not need to run stereo for your back-sound source. The L1® Model II has extremely wide sound dispersion. This means you don't need two systems to fill a room you may not need two to create a sense of fullness for your back-sound I have done many shows with background music during the breaks through a single L1®. No one has ever asked for stereo. I also know several solo performers who use a single L1® for backing tracks.
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Re: How to get stereo with Bose L1?

WalterM817 ·
I would think the wide dispersion of the line array speakers would negate any stereo imaging with 2 compacts. I have used stereo backing tracks with a single unit and when playing back normal stereo tracks you get a room filling sound with such an even volume thoughout the room that stereo would probably not add much for you. Recently I was able to set up in a huge shop of a friend of mine and he was amazed at the way the Compact was so even all over the room. Even behind a half wall on one...
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Connecting iPhone to T1®

ST ·
Hi Phil, I noticed your post in the Ask Bose for Help forum. Phil posted: just bought L1 1S B2 plus a Tonemaster T1 Question re T1 cabling for connecting an iphone for backing tracks -I am confused, internet search and manual are contradictory. 1.Why can't I simply use the 3.5 mm from the phone and connect to input 1/2 or 3 via a 1/4 stereo jack 2. Do I really have to buy a new cable to connect 3.5mm from phone to 2x 1/4 inch mono jacks into channel 4/5. Also, on this point some of the...
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Re: Connecting iPhone to T1®

Steve Roth ·
One issue is preventing damage to your iPhone by shorting L & R together with the wrong adapter. Same with your Passport. Another issue is getting good sound. A balanced input 1/4" uses tip and ring as plus and minus. A headphone jack uses tip and ring as Left plus and Right plus. If you connect two pluses to the plus and minus all you will hear is the difference between the two, instead of the addition of both, (like you want).
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Re: Connecting iPhone to T1®

ST ·
Hi Steve, The 1/4" inputs on T1® channel 4/5 are balanced. There's more about the T1® in the article linked below. T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine ST
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Re: Connecting iPhone to T1®

Steve Roth ·
Very interesting. Good to know that the 1/4" insides of the combo jacks on inputs 1,2,3 are unbalanced (I assumed that they wouldn't be)
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Re: Stereo input to L1 Compact

ST ·
Hi Simpa-tico2, Great question. The L1® Compact has two different stereo inputs: 1/8" Tip-Ring-Sleeve RCA jacks for left and right In the picture below the stereo inputs are marked "Connect backing track device here" We have notes here: Stereo Mixer to Mono L1® If you need more information, please tell us about your stereo source device. Thanks, ST
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Stereo input to L1 Compact

Simpa-tico2 ·
What does the L1 Compact do with a stereo input signal?
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Re: Stereo input to L1 Compact

Simpa-tico2 ·
To tell the truth I own and love an L1. I was thinking of using it as our home “stereo” and I was curious about the way the system handles stereo. I always feel like I’m hearing both channels, but wanted to be sure. Thanks very much for your help!
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Re: Stereo input to L1 Compact

ST ·
Hi Simpa-tico2, A stereo signal is mixed to mono internally. You get both channels, but without the stereo image. Are you near an L1® dealer where you can hear it? How are you planning to use an L1® Compact? ST
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Re: Stereo input to L1 Compact

Simpa-tico2 ·
Thanks for the reply! But I’m asking how to bring a stereo signal into the L1. I want to know how the unit handles stereo. When it receives a stereo signal does it render a stereo image? Do I truly get both channels?
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Re: Stereo input to L1 Compact

ST ·
Hi Sampa-tico2, Your L1® Compact has extremely wide horizontal dispersion. In a room at home, you will often get very nice early side reflections and a generous sense of spaciousness. Enjoy your L1®. ST
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Re: Stereo input to L1 Compact

Simpa-tico2 ·
Thanks very much for your help, ST!
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Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Als ich auf der Website eines Musikhändlers war, sah ich neue Bose Tonematch-Mixer und zwar 2 Modelle, die anscheinend in Stereo sind, somit also für die Nutzer eines Twinsets interessant sind. Preislich sind diese oberhalb des klassischen Tonematch-Mixers und sind die einzigen kompakten Digitalmixer, die keinen Tablet PC zur Bedienung brauchen. Diese Mischpulte müssten auch mit anderen Anlagen gut funktionieren, ich konnte selbst vergleichen und feststellen, dass die LD Systems MAUI 5 und...
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Reconsidering Stereo

ST ·
I'm reconsidering stereo for small venues. A little history I used to run stereo for my electric guitar (with loads of effect), but I set that aside in June 2004. I remember that distinctly because that's when I got my first L1®. Since then I've run multi-mono. That means I run every sound source on the stage through only one loudspeaker. In the early days, that meant one L1® for each performer. I appreciated the Cocktail Party Effect and veered away from stereo for guitars. I was using L1®s...
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Re: Reconsidering Stereo

stos2 ·
I totally agree that anything in stereo sounds better. I still play thru a guitar amp sometimes, when I'm not using my L1s. I have a Roland JC and a Fender Ultimate chorus which are both stereo, and the difference is huge, even though the speakers are right next to each other in the speaker cabinets. I plan to try playing stereo when I receive the T8S. I will probably try it with the Compacts. Even though they have a wider dispersion, the fact that the sound is panned should help with the...
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Re: Reconsidering Stereo

jdbassentertainment.com ·
Nice food for thought ST! Many benefit from your wisdom in the community... thanks for doing what you do!
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

el'häuser ·
Hallo RF-Musiker, danke für den Hinweis, ich wusste das bis heute nicht... die neuen Geräte sind auf der NAMM Show vorgestellt worden und kommen jetzt im Feb./März auf den deutschen Markt. Als bekennender T1 Tonematch Fan bin ich natürlich sehr gespannt, was die Mischer können. Allerdings hält sich meine Freude in Grenzen, das es sich anscheinend lediglich um ein upgrade des T1 handelt, mit mehr Eingängen (4 oder 8) und das ganze in Stereo. Der Rest wurde vom T1 übernommen, Ich hatte...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Hallo Heinz. Im englischsprachigen Foren geht es natürlich mehr zur Sache, was die Neuheiten angeht. Ja, das scheint mehr oder weniger zu stimmen. Stereo ist für DJ's bestimmt nicht schlecht, aber ich kann mit mein T1 noch sehr gut leben. Auch hier würde ich dir zustimmen. Für kleine Mischpulte wie die T4S und T8S die so klein sind brauche ich keine Möglichkeiten Alles mit Tablet fernbedienen zu können solange ich mit L1 Systeme arbeite. Ich höre damit sowieso genau das was das Publikum hört...
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Re: Reconsidering Stereo

jdbassentertainment.com ·
Stereo is relivent for headphones and for those sitting in directly in the center of the stereo image sources. In a live setting stereo imaging is tainted by ones position relitive to the the source . That being said... I have found it useful at times to ward off phase cancellation when audio sources are to close together.
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Re: Reconsidering Stereo

ST ·
Hi JD, I think your ideas are applicable when we're trying to reproduce stereo as intended by the producer of pre-recorded music. Stereo can used effectively in a live show, particularly if the audience is within the sound field of both speakers. It doesn't have to be ideal to be a perfect show. ST
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Re: Reconsidering Stereo

jdbassentertainment.com ·
So your using Stereo in an artistic way not so much as a balance point like I typically do... got it!
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Es muss ja nicht zwingend das Behringer Teil sein. Das würde am meisten punkten, wenn man auch gerne einen Exciter, 3D Effektprozessor und einen Vitalizer hätte. Von Soundcraft gibt es für lächerliche 255 EUR den UI12 Digitalmixer, der alles notwendige kann, sich mit jedem neueren PC, Mac und Tablet PC bedienen lässt, wenn dieser eben HTML 5 beherrscht, die 16 Kanalversion ist auch nur einen Tick teurer.
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Musicstore ordnet Mischpulte irgendwie verkehrt ein. Das Presonus ist unter Mischpulte mit Firewire und das eine Tonematch als Analogmixer, muss man alles nicht verstehen. Dafür ermöglicht Thomann nicht, die Mischpulte, die zur Bedienung einen Computer brauchen, abzuwählen. Aber sowohl bei Musicstore, als auch Thomann kostet das einfachste Tonematch 399 EUR, der Bose T4S Mixer ist mit knapp 600 EUR auch das günstigste Digitalmischpult in Stereo, ein Digitalmischpult für über 800 EUR kann...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Was die Größe angeht muß ich dir Recht geben Ronny. Was der Preis angeht gibt es auch z.B. von Presonus den StudioLive 16.0.2 - 16 Kanal Digitalmischpult was bestimmt vielfältiger ist als das T8 im gleichen Preissegment, aber wie ich schon erwähnt habe muß man sich ein wenig mit Mischpulte generell auskennen. Hier ein wenig Info über den Presonus. https://www.musicstore.de/de_D...2/art-REC0008739-000 Für den weniger erfahrener Musiker haben die Bose Teile sicherlich Vorteile. Hätte Bose auch...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Vom UI 12 gibt es ja auch noch 2 etwas größere Versionen. Ansonsten ist das UI 12 eben etwas, wenn man eine kleine Band hat, die eine Drummaschine hat oder wo der Drummer E-Drums spielt und dann reichen 12 Kanäle schon. Die 16 und 24 Kanalversion ist dann schon mehr etwas für eine Band, mit Sicherheit hat das Behringer-Teil dem gegenüber mehr Vorteile, als dass Ultrafex und Edison eingebaut sind und man dann so auch ohne Kondensatormikrofon einer Geige Glanz geben kann. Tonematch ist eben...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Du hast Recht Ronny. Es muss nicht zwingend irgendein Teil sein. Der Behringer bewegt sich allerdings in eine ähnliche Preiskategorie verglichen mit die neuen T-Serien, ist sogar teuerer. Dafür stellt es für meine Begriffe die T-Serien in den Schatten, wenn mann weißt damit umzugehen. Ich bin nicht ganz unbedarft in dieser Hinsicht. Das Behringer Mixer erfüllt auch professioneller Erwartungen und ist extrem vielfältig (z.B. viele Aux-wege für Monitoring, viele Signalprozessoren, Midas...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Hallo Heinz, Für mich hast du das auch nicht. Und ich bin auch nach wie vor bekennender T1-Fan was die erste Generation angeht. Hier stimme ich dir auch voll und ganz zu. Was anderes habe ich auch weiterhin nicht behauptet und habe auch nur sagen wollen, dass die neue T-Mischpulte von Bose für mich zu wenig für viel Geld anbieten wenn ich eh viel tweaken muß um gute Klangergebnisse zu realisieren. Seitz Jahren fragen viele Users hier wegen Presets und seit 10 Jahren ist nichts Neues gekommen...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

el'häuser ·
Hallo Ronny und Tony! ich wollte jetzt keine hitzige Diskussion zwischen Euch entfachen, welcher digitale Stagebox-Mixer der beste ist oder das beste Preis-Leistungsverhältnis hat... Ich bin nach wie vor bekennender T1-Fan und begeisterter Anwender. Ich bin sicher, in einer 3-Mann Akustik-Combo gibts nix besseres! Was ich mit meinem Post sagen wollte, ist folgendes: Was Bose als Neuigkeit auf den Markt bringt ist lediglich ein Relaunch des T1 "in Stereo", nicht mehr und nicht weniger. Ich...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
@R F-Musiker/ Musician Was der PresonusvStudioLive 16.0.2 angeht habe ich gesehen, dass der Produktion scheinbar eingestellt ist, also dieses Modell muss ich streichen. Es gibt sie vereinzelt noch zu kaufen aber es kommt nichts nach. Sorry, wenn es hierdurch zur Unklarheiten gekommen ist. Tony
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Der Preis von diesem Teil war ja auch sehr stark unter der Preisempfehlung und das ist immer dann der Fall, wenn ein Produkt Platz machen muss. Ich selbst liebäugle ja immer noch mit dem UI 12, da ja der Preis niedrig ist, ich eh einen Tablet-PC brauche und man sich an die Bedienung via Computer schon gewöhnen kann.
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Da hast Du Recht. Ich habe allerdings gesehen, dass Thomann den Presonus StudioLive 16.0.02 für 1078€ im Angebot. Viel Pult für "relativ" wenig Geld, aber es hängt alles von deine Bedürfnisse ab. Wenn Du auch noch mit dem Rechner aufnimmst hat das Ding Riesenvorteile. Kann ich verstehen. Ich denke hier steht ein super Preis/Leistungsverhältnis im Raum, und ist quasi Stagebox und fern-bedienbarer Mixer in einem. Für das Geld kann man wahrscheinlich nicht Ballzuviel falsch machen.
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Re: Considering T4S/T8S Stereo Options

ST ·
Hi Snake Hips, It's great to see you here again. Thanks for all the great background information. Yes, it sounds like you need more channels. How soon do you have to make a move? In your shoes, I'd consider picking up a T8S for you and keeping the T1®s for the others. You can run the T8S directly to the L1® and one T1® into the L1® Model II power stand and the other T1® into one of the T8S channels. I like this approach because each performer controls his own mix and no one is responsible...
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Considering T4S/T8S Stereo Options

snakehips ·
Hi there ! Not been on the Bose forum for quite some time but I have just noticed there are some new Tonematch mixers. i have a blues acoustic duo, and we bought one Bose L1mkII, two B1 bass modules, and each use a T1 Tonematch mixer, about 8yrs ago - and love using them. In some pub gigs, with a small PA system already set up, and no room to set up the L1 additionally, we have often used just our Tonematch mixers with the in-house PA and still got great results. Our Tonematch mixers are...
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ToneMatch® Presets - Mono and Stereo

Esparka ·
New discussion spun off from: Advice for new T8S ToneMatch User Great question from Andy. ST, please elaborate. Is there a specific location for the T8S presets/updates? So far, you stated that the T1 presets are compatible. I understand that the T8S is stereo. Would it not follow that for presets to be fully functional, the presets would be created with stereo functionality at the core? With T1 being mono, those presets would seem to be less than optimal. Thank you for your time,
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Re: ToneMatch® Presets - Mono and Stereo

ST ·
Hi Sparks, My comments below apply equally to the T8S and T4S. No specific (separate) location for T4S/T8S ToneMatch® Presets. They are all here: ToneMatch Preset Downloads There is a separate location for firmware updates. http://bosepro.link/t4s http://bosepro.link/t8s Yes, they are. The T8S (and T4S) are stereo. The ToneMatch® Presets are optimized EQ curves. They are equally applicable in mono and stereo. Any time. ST
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Re: ToneMatch® Presets - Mono and Stereo

ScubaBadger ·
If the T4S is a stereo unit and I replace my T1 desk with it, can I still run both channels (L&R) into one L1 mkll?
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Re: ToneMatch® Presets - Mono and Stereo

ST ·
Hi ScubaBadger, Great question! Update/Correction T4S ToneMatch® mixer Pan all inputs hard RIGHT Connect your L1® to the RIGHT ToneMatch® port OR Use the ¼ inch (6mm) Right Output to a powered loudspeaker (e.g. S1 Pro, L1® Compact, F1 Model 812). For best results use a ¼ inch (6mm) jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve cable. T8S ToneMatch® mixer Pan all inputs hard RIGHT Use the ¼ inch (6mm) Right Output to a powered loudspeaker (e.g. S1 Pro, L1® Compact, F1 Model 812). For best results use a ¼ inch (6mm)...
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