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Philip to Bose Community...HELP!!!!

Banjoman ·
Guys, I'm a fair musician, but I'm a lousy technician. I have (2) L1 Portables and T1 . My group consists of 3 people: myself on 5 string Deering Banjo and Taylor 200e acoustic plus vocals (SM58), a female vocalist on an SM58, and another acoustic guitarist on a Taylor acoustic 400 series who does limited vocals. How should I set the T1 to play mid-size coffee shop venues? Suggestions gratefully appreciated.
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Re: Philip to Bose Community...HELP!!!!

ST ·
Hi Banjoman, Welcome to the Bose Portable PA Community. What model L1 systems do you have? What Model L1® do you have? ST
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Bose l1 base case?

norpal ·
Can somebody help me? i am looking for cilindrical case for my bose L1 classic , anyone know where can i buy it ? Thanks in advance for your help
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Re: Bose l1 base case?

ST ·
Hi norpal, Are you looking for a long bag for one of the sections of the Cylindrical Radiator®? If so, you can probably order one from Bose Support. The size of the Cylindrical Radiator® bags is the same for the L1 Classic, L1 Model 1, and L1 Model II. If you are looking for a bag for the power stand (semi-circular shape), these were discontinued years ago. ST
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Re: Hix maximum volume and its not that loud

ST ·
Hi Kristy, Welcome to the Bose Portable PA Community. I'm glad you're here. Is it possible that someone turned down the trim controls? Please check out this article with videos. T1 Gain Staging You didn't mention what you have connected to the T1; an L1 Compact or L1 Model 1S or L1 Model II? If you are connecting to an L1 Compact, you will get a stronger signal if you use a 1/4" (6.3 mm) Tip-Ring-Sleeve cable from the T1 Master Output ot L1 Compact Channel 2. And be sure to set the ToneMatch...
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Re: Hix maximum volume and its not that loud

rtrice ·
A friend of mind told me his Bose L1 sounded terrible. He did not have any of the channel presets set up correctly. Once he got that straight it sounded great. I had a volume issue with my backing tracks on channel 4/5. I had the preset on DJ/Playback. It turned out to be a bad cable. You have to have a good quality Y cable (left/right 1/4 inch mono) to stereo mini jack. A couple of other times one of the 1/4 in. was not all the way in or the mini was not making good contact with the iPad.
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Re: Hix maximum volume and its not that loud

Kristy Batty ·
Hi ya sorry its a l1 model 2! All the gains are on really high and everything is maxed just think it should go much louder, im sure it used to... i have a wireless sm58 in channel 2 and i pad/phone in chanel 4/5
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Re: Hix maximum volume and its not that loud

ST ·
Hi Kristy, When you sing loudly or turn up the volume on the ipad, do the trim lights (about the knobs) turn red? How are you connecting the T1 to the L1 Model II Power Stand. Are you using the ToneMatch connector (round barrel, square connector inside), or a 1/4" (6.3 mm) cable to the Analog Input? Thanks, ST
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Two S1 Pros vs. Bose F1 + Sub System

TheFocusElf ·
I currently have the Bose F1 (single) and a single F1 Sub. Clearly a mono setup. The space is about 750sq feet - of which the F1 occupies about 1.5-2% of that space. I find it to be a bit of overkill for my space, and, it is setup in a mono format. In either case, the F1 is receiving a Line In from a 16 channel mixer, and the S1's if I bought them and replaced the F1 would too benefit from a separate mixer. Things I like: 1) Built in Bass (unlike the L1 Compact that I returned before buying...
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Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

MicklePickle ·
I'm a sound guy and have been using a Bose L1/B2 system for several years for smaller venues. But a single Bose tower is mono and I miss the width of a stereo system, especially for keyboards and special effects like reverb and delay. I'd like to use two Bose L1 towers but just one B2. This will help reduce the phase issues (hot and dead spots) associated with two subs running in a small room. Is this feasible? Would I need to make significant adjustments? Thanks.
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Re: Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

ST ·
Hi MicklePickle, The L1 systems are engineered as an integrated system and always sold as a complete unit (Cylindrical Radiator, Power Stand, Bass module). To avoid issues with multiple bass modules, you can use longer cables and put the bass modules together. As you know, whether or not this will be necessary depends on the room. Having a couple of longer cables will give you the flexibility to handle lots of different situations. Does that help? ST
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Re: Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

Eric'sson ·
I have experimented with this in the past and the results were not good, the problem being that the L1 with no bass module connected upsets the EQ balance which is automatically set according to which Bass mocule is connected and as ST has already explained they are not designed to work on their own but as a paired unit. Using long cables and Coupling the Bass modules is the way to go and it's not too critical where they are placed, with a little experimentation I am sure you would find a...
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Re: Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

ST ·
Hi MicklePickle. How far apart will you have the L1 systems? You can test things now. Just disconnect the B2 bass module. The L1 isn't going to sound great. Then get a longer NL4 cable (note: It MUST be 4 conductor cable). Then try moving the B2 progressively farther away and see how everything sounds. When it comes to bass in small rooms, the only reliable answer is "it depends". So we get to experiment. ST
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Re: Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

MicklePickle ·
Thanks for the encouragement. I'll try the longer distance run to a B2 and see if that makes any difference in sound, although adding a second system still sounds like a "try it and see" exercise. So the real question still remains: shall I fork over big bucks for a second system in hopes it works great? The room is only about 12' x 20' and the bands will go on the short wall, so with drums in the middle the L1 towers will be about 6 to 8 feet apart. (I'd like to keep them away from the side...
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Re: Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

MicklePickle ·
Yup, it's a tiny room (actually 12x25 - just re-measured), but big enough for an audience of 20 or 30. I doubt there will be full drum sets very often, but I'd like to plan the space for them. In any case, lower volume levels will be mandatory. I'm after exceptionally good sound in my old age, where the audience is quiet and you can hear every nuance. Loud isn't necessary or desired. (I know drummers who can play quietly and sparingly - a rare find.) And to my ears, the Bose system is...
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Re: Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

ST ·
Hi MicklePickle, Two trains of thought arise from this: Check out The L1® Approach and the History of Amplification This covers some ideas about using multiple L1 systems You mentioned keyboards and stereo effects Please say more about the sound sources you are amplifying and which ones in particular you would like to hear in stereo What kind of mixer are you using? Do you have an outboard effects processor?
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Re: Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

ST ·
Hi MicklePickle, It's an odd coincidence. Yesterday, I had a conversation with someone who wants to create a recurring musical event in a room 12' x 30' with up to four performers including percussion (but not a trap kit). She will seat 30 people in this room. She will set up the stage on the short wall. That's non-negotiable. We talked at length about the merits of having one system or two. She is not interested in stereo imaging, but she is considering the merits of the Cocktail Party...
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Re: Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

MicklePickle ·
Thanks ST, I hadn't thought about the L1's added dispersion and its effect on stereo imaging. Sounds like a bonus! Apparently cocktails taste better too! Given that, it sounds (so far) like a good idea to assign instruments and performers to individual L1s. We'll see how that works out. I can do that to eliminate phase issues with bass and maybe kick. An organ with lots of low end may be a little tougher. But you have me eager to play around with it. Thanks very much for your observations.
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Re: Using 2 Bose L1s but just one B2 as FOH Left/Right

MicklePickle ·
Hi ST, Thanks for the link. I watched that video several years ago before I bought my first L1. As a result of that video and many reviews, I bought the fuil package of L1, B2 and Tonematch mixer. I later sold the Tonematch as I quickly outgrew 4 channels when mixing bands. As the video explains, the L1 system was designed for individual musicians, one per musician if in a group. If a small band is doing its own mix from stage, it can work pretty well. But if I'm out front as the sound guy,...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

PMWIZARD ·
What are the advantages of this system, compared to the L1? What is the price for this new system?
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

PMWIZARD ·
Also, what is the room coverage? Would it be higher than the 500 of the L1 system? Would you need to have 2 arrays and/or subwoofers to cover larger halls.
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

ST ·
Hi ST, Yes in the 'Straight' position, the beam width will likely be narrow enough to avoid reflections from the ceiling and floor. PG Restating my question posted above to exclude surprisingly controversial references that as it turns out were not germane to the question. For me, the full sized L1 systems have been really well behaved in large reverberant spaces. There seems to be very little sound going up to bounce around and come back down. There's been far less unwanted reverberation.
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

paul-at-bose ·
Hi PMWizard, The F1 system is designed for use with ensembles with drums and guitars. Differences between F1 and L1 are: - More Power - The array is flexible and not fixed - You can daisy chain F1 units together. To cover larger halls, ideally, you would have a left and right system stack. As far as room coverage, what are you planning to do?
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

ST ·
Hi Paul, Please tell us when we'll be able to buy an F1, and the price. Will these be available to hear/demo through the same retail outlets as the L1®?
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

ST ·
Hi again Paul, Will the F1 have the same return policy as L1 (45 days when purchased directly from Bose)?
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

paul-at-bose ·
Hi PMWIZARD, I can't accurately speak to coverage performance based on the specs you gave. To be honest, it's going to depend on the size of the space, how reverberant it is and how loud your band is. As you know, a drummer is going to excite the natural state of a space much differently than an acoustic guitar player. (or an acoustic player through an L1) For reference, we just used the F1 System in a stereo config in NOLA. The band was a rock trio. The space was fairly reflective with...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

paul-at-bose ·
Hi ST, My expectation is that product availability will be at the end of August. Pricing is: F1 Model 812 = $1199 (USD) F1 Subwoofer = $1199 (USD) Thanks! PG
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

paul-at-bose ·
Sorry. Yes. Through US direct channels only.
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

atlantadj ·
I am primarily a wedding Dj. Guests could be up to 500 in a normal ballroom setting. Currently use both the L1/B2 system and the Bose Platinum System (802III & 502BP). With the platinum system I start with the tops pointed outward to cover the seated guests for intros and speeches etc, then turn them inward to cover the dance floor for dancing. Could the F1 system be pole mounted so that the arrays can be turned if needed? I am disappointed that Bose did not come out with a more powerful...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

atlantadj ·
What is the throw as compared to a L1 tower and a 802III? Will the 812 make full use of the 1000 W amplification? How is the 1000 watts assigned to the woofer and the array? I ask because I have a QSC K12, rated at 1000 W. In reality it has two 500 Watt amps (one each for the woofer and the horn), but there is no way the the horn will ever use anywhere near the 500 watts from the dedicated amp. Its completely false marketing from QSC. Balvinder - DJ Bally Atlanta GA www.DJBally.com
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

paul-at-bose ·
Hello Atlanta DJ. I attempt to answer your questions here: >Could the F1 system be pole mounted so that the arrays can be turned if needed? Yes. There is a standard size pole cup on the bottom of the 812. >What is the throw as compared to a L1 tower and a 802III? The 812 is capable of 132dB SPL (Peak). The 802 has a peak output level of 122dB SPL. >How is the 1000 watts assigned to the woofer and the array? The F1 Model 812 utilizes a 1000 Watt bi-amplified design. One amp powers...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

Andy Lancaster ·
How does this unit compare with the L1? I recently (about 6 months ago) purchased dual L1 II's for Mobile DJ'ing (primarily pre-recorded music). Would I see a noticeable improvement in SPL level and sound quality if I traded in the towers for two F1 units? I play lots of bass heavy content (rap, pop, etc). I know dual 10" drivers have slightly more surface area than a single 12" driver, but the F1 also has double the amount of power than the L1 II. I planned on eventually adding two more...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

atlantadj ·
Thanks Paul! You forgot to include the output level for the L1 tower. What is the power output for each of the two amps? While the 812 has a pole mount, why not a pole mount on the Base bin? using the built in stand does not allow the 812 to be turned. Adding a tripod stand makes the whole thing look ugly like traditional speakers.
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

paul-at-bose ·
>You forgot to include the output level for the L1 tower. Ahhh...sorry about the.; L1 Model II has a peak output of 121dB SPL >What is the power output for each of the two amps? One 500 Watt amp is assigned to the Mid array, the other 500 watt amp is assigned to the woofer. >why not a pole mount on the Base bin? We wanted to design a stand that was specific to the F1 system. That said, in my experience, the mains are not usually splayed too widely. If users need to turn the system,...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

ST ·
Hi OneManBand, The F1 horizontal dispersion is 100° and being narrower than the L1®, you will probably use two F1 systems for most events. This will give you more control over where the sound goes - just by turning the F1 system to face the area where you need to direct the sound. I really appreciate the extremely wide coverage we get with the L1® but sometimes you just can't get away from the sound. That's not usually a problem for me although I appreciate that your shows are probably...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

alcools ·
Hi I actualy use 2 L1 Model 1, with 4 B1. We are a band of 5 musicians, rock cold wave. I appreciate using L1 without return speakers and with very rare larsen. Do the F1 system have the same larsen resistance than the L1 if I use it without returns (at the same level of course) ?
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

djvazquez ·
I currently have a pair of L1 Series Model II stands with B2 subs. Occasionally when I play smaller venues I will use a single L1 M2 and use both of the B2 subs for more low end resonance. Would there be an issue with using the F1 Subwoofer instead of a pair of the B2s? I realize, that surface area would be decreased by half, by going with 1 pair of 10" subs versus having 4 10" subs running. The output power of the L1 stand is 250 watts to a single B2, as it is the same with the packlite amp...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

djvazquez ·
I thought about how it would interconnect, and my preference would be to run to the F1 sub first and use the line out to go to the array. I don't think that I would use the HPF though, since the L1 M2 stand already does it's job of filtering out the frequencies between the array and the B2. I could use the bass line out also, not too sure if there would be a difference in frequency response between the F1 sub without a filter versus through the line out of the L1 M2. It would have to be...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

paul-at-bose ·
Hi Steve, >Would there be an issue with using the F1 Subwoofer instead of a pair of the B2s? I wouldn't say there would be a specific issue. However, since the F1 sub is not tuned like a B2, I wouldn't recommend this use case. I have tested the F1 Sub with a and L1 Model II and was not satisfied. That said, you can experiment and see if that config fits your needs. PG
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

djvazquez ·
Thanks for the response Paul, can you elaborate on what you were unsatisfied with? To be honest, I don't know that I want to spend $1200 on a speaker to experiment, but if you could give me some insight on what your expectation of the F1 sub versus the results you experienced, if would help set my expectations.
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

alcools ·
You forgive my question ? My english is not very good, but I'm trying to do my best. For resume : Can I use the F1 like a L1 ?
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

paul-at-bose ·
Hi Steve, >can you elaborate on what you were unsatisfied with? Since the F1 Sub is tuned for the F1 Model 812, I found the crossover point to be too low when used with and L1. The B2 slope is at a hugher frequency than the F1 so it's a better match for the L1.
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

ST ·
Hi Alcools, The F1 is designed to be used as a Front of House system set up as a pair on either side, at or near the front of the stage. The performers will be between and likely, slightly behind the F1s. Yes, you will need stage monitors (return speakers). Yes, this is different from the L1s that were designed to be placed behind the performers. If you put the F1s behind the performers you may get more feedback (larsen) than with the L1s - at the same level (if we are talking about the same...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

StuartD ·
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ST: Hi Stu, Paul-at-Bose isn't available this morning so I did some checking for you... You can pre-order your F1 system on the Bose site Hello ST, Thank you for checking into this for me. Without a doubt you represent the pinnacle of Customer Service. Your picture should be in the dictionary under "Customer Service". I was at the wrong site. I went here but couldn't find any way to look into ordering them: Bose F1 & L1 Speakers I'll give the Bose folks a call...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

DJ Aziz Masudi ·
I am a house music DJ. I use the Traktor Kontrol S4 and the Bose L1 M2 with B2 set to its high position the bass is welcome for me. I just want to know should i add another B2 with a lite or try the F1 Sub? I usually play a room with about 100 people. And i would love to get more bass (DB) on the floor. I alway get a good position to place my L1 so the B2 can really perform. But if i can get more punch that would be great. I don't use any other gear than what is mentioned above, but i know...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

ST ·
Hi DJ Aziz Masudi, Thank you for joining the Forum. Here's a recent discussion in which several of us explored the differences between adding an A1 Packlite and B2 to an L1 Model II with B2 compared to adding an F1 Subwoofer. L1 II System With Two F1 Subwoofers The title doesn't really reflect where the conversation ended up, and I think that you'll find that it is relevant to your question. ST
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

Kyle-at-Bose ·
Hi Badtoad, Yes, F1 system components feature built-in limiters and protection circuits to prevent loudspeaker damage. If your source is a mixer/console (sounds like it may be), I would run it into channel 1 balanced with the F1 channel volume setting at 12-noon. Drive up the source until you see flickering red at the peaks of the program material. This is can be considered your "max" on the console controls. If this is not loud enough for your tastes, you can turn up the F1 volume control...
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Re: F1 - Questions for Bose

Anywhere PRO Audio ·
Alcools, As the Bose pro mentioned, the F1's are for front of house and not meant to be used as forward facing monitors. However, if you already have the L1's...here's a detailed explanation for what we have been doing and bands are loving it. http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/for...0043776/m/3770031186 Happy New Year!
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Bose L1 Compact power stand

elenpereira ·
Please, Help! I need to know the code of components from positions Z4 and Q1. It is working in mute and need these components to return working. E-mail: nanoevaldt@gmail.com Thanks a lot, Nano
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