Tagged With "mixer"

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Mounting ToneMatch in a console?

Has anyone mounted their ToneMatch into a console? I'm thinking about switching from the mixer I'm using to the ToneMatch, as 90% of the work I'm doing is with either an L1 M1S or L1 M2, and I'll need to build a new custom DJ console. Pictures if you've got 'em would be awesome please. I picture something like the console I used back in 2005, but with the T1 in place of the mixer in the photo.
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i looks like a little Behringer Console. T 1 output mono to a Line or Microphone Input channel
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Apollo, you misunderstood my question I think. I'm not using that console, I'm looking at making a new one with the ToneMatch INSTEAD of the mixer, and I was wondering if anyone had already done this.
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BanjoJames ·
Just a thought, I would too like a rack mountable T1 in either an 8 or 12 XLR input arrangement. Cheers, James
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Using two L1 systems in same venue

Don Wilson ·
We have used the L1 Model II system in two worship venues at our church. In both settings, we feed a 16-channel mixer into the ToneMatch unit. We would like to combine services and use both of our systems together in the larger venue that seats 300. Will have three ToneMatch units and two mixers at our disposal. Any warnings or tips to making the two Bose L1 systems work beautifully together? Thanks!
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ST ·
Hi Don, Thank you for joining the Community. Without knowing more about the physical layout and the sound sources, I can only speak in generalities. Here are two articles that might help. Please take a look. T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine to Two Model II Systems Two T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engines with Two Model II Systems Please see through the specifics. The articles address considerations when using two Model II systems on the same stage. Questions? Do you have pictures of the venue, of the...
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Re: Two L1 Compacts / One Mixer

ST ·
Hi Sergio, Thank you for joining the Community. Thanks too, for all the information in your detailed post. Seargaca posted: Hi, I've just purchased a couple of “L1 Compact System” to perform in a small auditorium (150 seats). I'm using a 10 Channels Yamaha Mixer to mix the following sources: - 1 wired microphone for the singer - 1 wireless microphone (SURE) for Preacher - 1 Macbook to play music (through headphones jack) - 1st Acoustic Guitar (using Passive Direct Box) - 2nd Acoustic Guitar...
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Two L1 Compacts / One Mixer

Seargaca ·
Hi, I've just purchased a couple of “L1 Compact System” to perform in a small auditorium (150 seats). I'm using a 10 Channels Yamaha Mixer to mix the following sources: - 1 wired microphone for the singer - 1 wireless microphone (SURE) for Preacher - 1 Macbook to play music (through headphones jack) - 1st Acoustic Guitar (using Passive Direct Box) - 2nd Acoustic Guitar (optional) - 1 Keyboard (optional) (using Passive Direct Box) All the audio sources are connected to the Mixer. The Mixer’s...
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Re: Two L1 Compacts / One Mixer

Seargaca ·
scottcald posted: As ST said, use balanced cables, but also, if you're hearing noise at the output, mute each channel at the mixer and see if it goes away. If it does, the input for that device or the device itself is the problem. Also, if you have 2 compacts and L/R outputs run each output to a compact rather than daisy chaining. My 2 cents. Hope that's helpful. Ok. I will try out that too, and let you know. Thanks a lot. Sergio.
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scottcald ·
As ST said, use balanced cables, but also, if you're hearing noise at the output, mute each channel at the mixer and see if it goes away. If it does, the input for that device or the device itself is the problem. Also, if you have 2 compacts and L/R outputs run each output to a compact rather than daisy chaining. My 2 cents. Hope that's helpful.
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Seargaca ·
ST posted: Hi Sergio, Thank you for joining the Community. Thanks too, for all the information in your detailed post. Seargaca posted: Hi, I've just purchased a couple of “L1 Compact System” to perform in a small auditorium (150 seats). I'm using a 10 Channels Yamaha Mixer to mix the following sources: - 1 wired microphone for the singer - 1 wireless microphone (SURE) for Preacher - 1 Macbook to play music (through headphones jack) - 1st Acoustic Guitar (using Passive Direct Box) - 2nd...
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Re: Two L1 Compacts / One Mixer

Seagullman ·
Hi Sergio, first of all let me also welcome you to the community. Now to your problem. Regarding the cables which you should try/use for connecting the mixer to the Compacts I would agree with what's already been suggested here, especially considering the 25' cable lengths. TRS which are balanced connections is the way to go. Should there be any kind of interference picked up through the cables it gets neutralized due to the way the cables are configured. I will however say something...
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Seargaca ·
Thanks, Tony. I will see the video.
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Seagullman ·
Hi Sergio, I set up my L1 Model II in my living room for a few rehearsals with PA. I'm using two T1's (one into Tonematch socket on the power stand, and 1 into the analogue input of the power stand using a TRS cable. The T1 into the analogue input needs to be powered with a T1 power supply. This is the first time I've done this in my living room. No matter what I do with the connections I have a low level hum (ground loop) which comes as soon as I plug the cable from the output of the T1...
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ST ·
Hi Tony, Quick thoughts: Are you using a 1/4"Tip-Ring-Sleeve cable between the T1® Master Output and the L1 Model II Power Stand Analogue input? It sounds like you are but I wanted to double check. Have you tried a different cable (above)? Have you tried a Tip-Sleeve cable (above)? Do you have the T1® Power Supply and the L1® Model II plugged into the same power bar? Have you tried a different power bar? ST
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Seagullman ·
Hi ST, thanks for the "Quick Thoughts." Unfortunately yes to everything including swapping the T1's around. Always the same outcome. As soon as I plug the T1 power supply into a socket I get the hum. It's not so loud as to be really bad, but if I can get rid of it all the better. I'm sure we've both had to live with worse over the years. We've just become more critical and discerning .... This is a picture of the mains plug for the T1 Power Supply. There's no earth and it can be turned round...
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Seagullman ·
Hi ST, the line insulation box (Palmer PLI-01) arrived on Wednesday and we tried it out this evening. No hum. I'm very pleased with the unit, and I think it may save me a few "headaches" in the future. It's definitely doing what it promised to do. Tony
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Re: T1 into Yamaha Mixer Issue

captacoustic ·
Hi ST. I make it a point to post here once every seven years without fail! Yes to everything you asked and I will have to get back to you on the mixer and the input used. As for a splitter, my bandmate used a stereo to mono splitter going out of the Yamaha. Not quite sure why he did that, I'll have to ask him. The audible latency was very pronounced and noticeable. It made the sound a pile of mush. Once we unplugged all my inputs and put them into the Yamaha the sound was crystal clear.
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captacoustic ·
Haha. Been here for years but I just received an email thanking me for my first post. Maybe because of the new forum setup or could be my name change too.
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ST ·
Hi Captacoustic! Nice to hear from you. Not sure why you would have received an email thanking you for your first post. Maybe it's because this is your first post since we moved to the new platform. I hope that you like it. Hmmm. captacoustic posted: Having not used my T1 in quite some time (in a duo using a Yamaha mixer) I decided to use it at our last gig with another mixer in order to increase our inputs. I plugged my vocal, a banjo and a guitar/bouzouki into the T1 and the output into...
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T1 into Yamaha Mixer Issue

captacoustic ·
Having not used my T1 in quite some time (in a duo using a Yamaha mixer) I decided to use it at our last gig with another mixer in order to increase our inputs. I plugged my vocal, a banjo and a guitar/bouzouki into the T1 and the output into the Yamaha. My bandmate used the Yamaha for his mics. The Yamaha at this gig went into my Compact. I experienced a strange thing: the sound from my end was considerably delayed. Not my bandmates though. Vocals and instruments would be sung/struck and...
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ST ·
Hi Wayne, This sounds like the balanced mono output from the T1® was split into two channels (someone assumed that it was stereo and would have to be split). If the two signals were then fed into the Yamaha board, this could have caused the issue that you heard. The solutions for the connection from the T1® Master to the Yamaha board (one or the other). Use a 1/4" Tip-Ring-Sleeve cable to a balanced mono input on the Yamaha board. Use a 1/4" Tip-Sleeve cable to an unbalanced mono input on...
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captacoustic ·
Thanks ST. But the splitter was going out of the Yamaha and into the Compact. The T1 had a tip-ring-sleeve into the Yamaha.
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captacoustic ·
Could that still create the effect?
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ST ·
Hi Wayne, I'd need to know the model number of the Yamaha mixer and exactly what output was connected to the Compact to dig into this in detail. If this was the splitter, how was it connected to the Compact? If the red and gray cables (Tip-Sleeve cables) were connected to the Yamaha Left and Right outputs and the black cable (Tip-Ring-Sleeve cable) was connected to Compact channel 2, then yes; that could cause a problem. Although this doesn't explain why the issue went away when you stopped...
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ST ·
For anyone reading along, you don't want to use a cable like this connected to the T1® Master Output. The red and grey connections out of phase and if you connect them both to another device. they will tend to cancel each other out. If you get any signal at all, it will likely be distorted or sound very strange. ST
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captacoustic ·
OK, I will try to get it to you by the end of the day. As far as the cables go, the way I thought he did it was to take the gray and red and run them out of the stereo output of the Yamaha and then into the single ended cable for the Compact. I could be wrong on that and I will double check.
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ST ·
Hey Wayne, No rush. If anyone can remember, can you find out how the inputs were panned on the Yamaha mixer? I think I know what was happening. ST
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ST ·
For future reference, here is a link to the Yamaha MG82cs, MG102c Owner's Manual . We'll have a look at this when we find out how the mixer was set up. ST
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captacoustic ·
Here's the mixer. I'll get back to you re panning. https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-...ffects/dp/B000Z7567A
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ST ·
Hi Wayne, There's so many ways for things to get wired up incorrectly, and I'm sure that I've done most of them at one point or another. It sounds like you had a Tip-Ring-Sleeve connection from the T1® Master Output to the Yamaha channel 1 or 2 Insert point (#5 below). The image above is from page 10 of the Yamaha MG832cx Owner's Manual. There are lots of other ways this might have happened but they all involve using a y-adapter or Insert cable inappropriately. Examples of that: Black end...
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Re: T1 into Yamaha Mixer Issue

captacoustic ·
So looking at the posts here, I'm thinking the issue is either because a TR was used instead of the TRS or because the input from the Bose was into the Yamaha mic and not the line? Maybe both?
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captacoustic ·
OK, here's the information I got from my bandmate: he panned the Yamaha mixer dead center. He may have used a TR out of the Bose instead of a TRS. That cable went into the microphone input of the Yamaha and not the line in.
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Re: L1 Compact: channel 2 unity gain position

Aj Trongone ·
This reply has been moved to Why does Bose post a question and then only want bose employees to respond?
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L1 Compact: channel 2 unity gain position

GLB Productions ·
Greetings! When connecting a mixer to channel 2 of the L1 compact via the quarter-inch TRS connector, where should the level knob be set in order to achieve unity gain, assuming a +4dBu output from the mixer? Thank you.
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Nick-at-Bose ·
Hi Bruno, The L1 Compact's volume should be viewed from the perspective of "set it to whatever's appropriate for the room and the audience." Setting your mixer to output around its nominal level is the important piece. Once the mixer's level is where it wants to be, then just simply set the Compact to whatever produces the right SPL for the room. Thanks, Nick
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GLB Productions ·
Thanks Nick for your reply - I give very similar advice to people who contact me on my YouTube channel asking how to set power amplifier levels. Regards, Bruno
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POWERED mixer into L1 Compact

turp111 ·
I have the L1 Compact and I love it. I also have a Carvin RX1200L Powered mixer. I'd like to use that mixer for when I'm playing with multiple musicians and run it all through the Bose. There are two outputs on the mixer (L/R) that are separate from the main speaker outs and I'm assuming this is what I would use; however, I'm curious about running power from the mixer amp into the Bose. Is there a good way to do this or should I not even use that mixer? I've attached the manual to this post.
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Nick-at-Bose ·
Hello, Thank you for attaching the manual for the mixer! Yes, you'll want to use the main outputs on the front of the mixer (marked 17 in the manual) to send a signal to the Compact. Those are line level outputs, so it will not damage the Compact. Specifically, I would just use the Left XLR out and adapt it to a 1/4" to connect into channel 2 on the Compact. Then, on the Compact, set the switch to Line Level. You'll want to just use the left output from the mixer because the Compact's 1/4"...
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turp111 ·
Awesome...thanks for the quick reply, and the good news!
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F1 System to Mixer

jb6198 ·
The setup is: Two F1 arrays with two bose subwoofers, also one Bose L1 with a subwoofer and ToneMatch, and a Behringer XR18 mixer. This concerns my Main Left and Right channels from the mixer: Would I plug into the two subwoofer first instead of plugging into both array speaker? The Bose L1 with sub is used as a monitor and plugged in to the bus input on mixer to the ToneMatch on Mic 1. Too many opinions from band mates to decide how to plug the F1 system into the mixer and we need a solid...
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ST ·
Hi jb6198, Thank you for joining the Community. The Bose F1 systems were engineered to work with today's modern mixers. jb6198 posted: The setup is: Two F1 arrays with two bose subwoofers, also one Bose L1 with a subwoofer and ToneMatch, and a Behringer XR18 mixer. This concerns my Main Left and Right channels from the mixer: Would I plug into the two subwoofer first instead of plugging into both array speaker? I just looked at the manual for the Behringer XR18 mixer . The maximum output at...
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SoundGeek ·
Hi jb6198 There are lots of ways to setup your equipment so whatever works best for you where you like the sound is fine. Speakers and mixers are just tools so we need to use the right tool for the required job. In live sound, that can change from venue to venue or the composition of performers for the set/event. I only mention this because there are lots of opinions on configurations so don't be afraid to experiment to see what works best for you/the situation at hand. I own/like the...
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Jephsound ·
I find that setting the pass through on the subs to full range gives more low range sound. (Obvious right) It really makes a difference as to how the subs react and project signal. When I had them set to HPF it was like the subs weren't even there. FYI: the Bose manual tells you to use THRU when passing thru to F1 tops. LINE OUTPUT EQ: (See “Setting EQ selec- tor switches” on page 12.) • THRU passes input signal to the output with no ltering. Recommended when using with F1 Model 812. JS
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Brad ·
I usually keep the tops between 12 & 1 o'clock and Subs on 12 or so depending on the venue. Tops are set to W/Sub. I use a large Mixer, either a Mackie Onyx 24 or QSC Touchmix 16 w/L&R outs to F1 tops. Just did an outdoor concert, smaller town green approx. 200' x 150' with Gazebo. Used 1 F1 stack per side on 1/2 Vol. and it sounded great. 7 piece band.
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Jephsound ·
I run our tops at 1:00 a lot of the time, just use my DCA on the board to keep the sound from getting out of hand. Definitely will take a look at the top down wiring....
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Brad ·
For what it's worth, I've had better results running to to F1 top first, then out to the F1 Sub. Seems to me that it has more volume...
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Jephsound ·
At what setting did you have the tops, w/sub or full?
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ST ·
Hi Jephsound, The top down wiring gives you the opportunity to increase the signal before it hits the F1 Subwoofers. The F1 Model 812 LINE OUTPUT is post volume controls. Try it. ST
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Jephsound ·
Curiosity peaked.....Definitely will give this a shot JS
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