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10 Years of L1 System Use Still & Sounding Great!

jdbassentertainment.com ·
We have been using the L1 Systems for 10 years now! It has been an exciting journey... Here's two pictures that show our set-up progression! We started up with the Model I/ B1's and now we use Model II's with B2's and we couldn't be happier! Way to go Bose!!!
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Flappy & rattly sound

Phil C ·
I have had my S1 Pro since the Summer. I use it for small gigs and for practice. I use a Korg Krome DI and my guitars and bass guitar through the T1 Tonematch. My S1 has got really rattly and "flappy" when low end sounds go through it . I never run it at top volume or push it that hard and I am careful to make sure it is not peaking more than occasionally. The roughness comes at fairly low volume. Does this sound like a fault? It really doesn't sound right to me.
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Best way to record output of keyboards and Mainstage from T8S?

Dr.Mike ·
Hi! I use multiple LI Model II systems for personal use and at a college where I teach. Typically I'm using one keyboard in mono, Mainstage from my Macbook Pro in Stereo (2 quarter inch inputs), and a Microphone. Mic on Channel 1, Mainstage on Channels 2/3 and Keyboard in channel 4. What is the best way for the house PA to receive these channels (or the total mix)--they are running live sound AND recording to Pro Tools. So I'm essentially using the Bose LI and T8S for a monitor (sounds great...
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Muffuled sound when I turn the PA on

Romain BAUDRY ·
Hi, I used my Bose L1 Modell's to for five years and I haven't had any problem at all. But it has been one month that I checked a muffled sound when I turn on the PA. It lasts for a few minutes and come back to a normal sound after. everything I play or I sing is muffeled and it's getting worse and remains a bit longer everytime. I'm afraid by loosing my PA during a gig. So is there anything I can do? Thank you Best regards Romain
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Power on but no sound from L1 Classic

Eric Shaw ·
Hello, I have 3 L1 Classics that have been trouble free since 2003. One of them however has decided to go quiet on me. The power LED comes on and the signal LED on the channel 1 and/or 2 show that the signal is present to the amp. I can hear a faint hiss in the tower but nothing else. Any suggestions?
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Connect Bose Wireless Speakers to L1 Model II

Gordo ·
I wonder if I connect a T4S "Out (L/R)" to the wireless link "Aux In" then use the Sound Touch App to configure Bose speakers on the wireless WIFI link (not bluetooth) if this would enable remote wireless speaker capability from the L1 model SII. See below. Thanks - Gordon
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Sound Touch Wireless Link Adapter

Gordo ·
Can I add the Sound Touch Wireless Link Adapter and related speaker(s) to my Bose L1 Model II system for additional wireless speaker capability? Thanks Gordon
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F1 Clear, Powerful, but not too loud!

jdbassentertainment.com ·
We just did a show where we provided sound and lighting for a fun party band... the F1 system had an interesting way of sounding full and powerful without sounding too loud. The band was great and the F1 System delivered! :)
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Re: Insulating L1 Compact

Seagullman ·
Hi tdesjarlais, the idea of acoustically insulating/damping the insides of loudspeaker enclosures is certainly not new and has been used in High-end HiFi loudspeakers for decades, and it does contribute to a more defined sound. tdesjarlais wrote: "I recently insulated my home speakers ... The difference was so significant that I wondered how well bose insulated their speaker cabinets." I think that the emphasis here is on the subject of "home speakers". Are we talking serious loudspeakers...
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Re: Insulating L1 Compact

Oldghm ·
In the past I have tinkered with stuffing when changing components / usage of some factory and some custom built cabinets. Have not considered making any changes to a Bose speaker. You may find the article at the link below interesting. http://www.lungster.com/l/spea...ListArchive.shtml#t1 The link below is a short discussion from another forum. https://www.talkbass.com/threa...t-insulation.461882/ O..
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Re: List Your Profession in which you use the F1 Speakers Pole

ST ·
Hi JD, This is a fun topic. Live Musician - Applications Front of House (FOH) I use two F1 Stacks (F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofer) on either side and front of the stage. I use a Soundcraft Ui16 as the mixer. Typically, I will have L1® Compacts or L1® Model II units at the back of the stage for monitors. In this situation, I am also performing. Backline Amp I use this with my T1®, Neumann KMS 105 , and Kemper Profiling Amp. I would normally use my L1® Compact for this application. The...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

Seagullman ·
Hi splewis, Welcome to the Forum. Unfortunately you haven't said how you get everything into the Compact. I take it you're using a mixer into channel 2 set to line? Could you please give as much detail as possible regarding this. As far as putting the Compact into the corner goes, this is something that I would not normally advise. A Compact can sound very boomy and undefined when placed in a corner. You also don't need to sit either side of it. You could both sit to one side of it if it...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

splewis ·
Thanks for your reply Tony. Very helpful and essential information that I don't recall reading in the manual? Did I miss that? Page 4 shows one musician sitting down. I do recall seeing something in the L1 S1 user guide about 3, 5, 8 ft. in a good, better, best placement recommendations, but nothing in the L1 Compact manual. To fill in the blanks... we are using a Mackie ProFX8v2 mixer (ch. 1&2 vocals SM58s, ch3. Acoustic guitar, ch.4 acoustic bass guitar) into Line input on Ch. 2 of the...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

ST ·
Hi splewis, Congratulations on your first L1® Compact gig. More coming. I avoid putting the L1® Compact in a corner. I may get some greater emphasis for the bass frequencies, but I lose clarity and definition of the sound. It's as though the mid-highs are swamped by indistinct bass. Here's a comparison of how I set up with the L1® Model 1S or L1® Model II compared to the L1® Compact. Here is how I might set up as a duo if I could not negotiate my way out of a corner. But I can usually move a...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

Seagullman ·
Hi splewis, Thanks for the extra infos. When trying to diagnose problems every little bit of information can help. You wrote: "Thanks for your reply Tony. Very helpful and essential information that I don't recall reading in the manual? Did I miss that? Page 4 shows one musician sitting down." You're welcome to any help that can be given here on the forum. With regards to the manual and "only one musician sitting down." The way Bose originally planned for the L1's to be used was that each...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

splewis ·
Thank you for your input. It is clear from the marketing material (and my personal experience) that Bose designed the L1 Compact as a PPA for each musician, but the reality is that weekend warriors don't have the cash (i.e. can't justify the expense) or space to make this system work practically.
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

Seagullman ·
Hi splewis, I'm sorry to read your last post. I have had some really good gigs with my trio using the Compact. If you've read the gig reports I published here and have tried all the suggestions that have been made here (ST and myself) and can't come to a satisfactory solution for yourselves, OK. If you've not tried the suggestions, then I would urge you to at least try them before giving up on the Compact completely. Please, however let me say something as it would sounds as if you are...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

Seagullman ·
Hi splewis, one last thought. I've just answered a question in another thread which may be of interest. If not then just forget it, but it never hurts to look. Here's a link: https://www.bosepro.community/...13#25235174782119013 Tony
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

splewis ·
Hi Tony, Again, I appreciate your input and taking the time to respond with helpful suggestions. I thought about all the bars that we play regularly and there just isn't enough room to "get away" from the L1C. I did contemplate buying a L1 S1 (without a T1), but again there are placement issues with this unit too (3,5,8 ft- good, better, best) and you are lugging about 80 lbs of equipment so it kinda defeats one of the purposes of buying it. For vocals and 1 guitar, both the L1C and JBL Eon...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

Seagullman ·
Hi Steve, In the "Recording performances with Tascam recorder and T1® & L1® Compact" thread you wrote: "Tony, great suggestion to play pre-recorded music through your system for a sound check." This is something which has served me well in difficult locations. and "I appreciate all your advice about using the L1C live". You're more than welcome. I hope that at least some of it is or has been of helot you. Tony
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

NoMoreBlackBoxes ·
After 40 years of playing live using everything from a converted valve record player in small chapels to concert PA at the Albert Hall, I have used and abused a single Compact for 5 years now in a variety of small to medium gigs as part of a guitar/arranger keyboard/harmony vocals duo, a solo act with guitar or piano and voice and a 6-7 piece jazz band where occasionally bass has gone through the PA. With any small PA, keeping stuff out of the system is better than squeezing everything...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

Seagullman ·
Hi NoMoreBlack boxes, welcome to the forum. That's some pretty good advice on Compact use. It shows that you've tried out lots of different things over time whilst trying to get the most out of your system. I've also been playing for over 40 years through almost anything I could get my hands on at the beginning (when the word PA basically had a different meaning to what it has today) right through to the sophisticated processor controlled line arrays of today. No 2 locations are alike.
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

splewis ·
NoMoreBlackBoxes and Tony, I too have been playing live for over 30 years and have tens of thousands of hours under my fingers (playing and tweaking knobs). Appreciate all the feedback; but I am afraid it is too late, the Compact went back to Bose... $60 for return shipping, many hours of research, and 6 hours of performance. It is my belief that I was trying to "bend the spoon" to make this unit work for my duo which was (what I firmly believe) outside scope of Bose's Product Manager's...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

Seagullman ·
Hi Steve, sorry to hear "Appreciate all the feedback; but I am afraid it is too late, the Compact went back to Bose" but when all's said and done, you are the one who has to make any decisions that affect you, and also live with them. I can also appreciate that it didn't work for you, but still maintain that a Model IS would probably have been ideal for you. No matter, I've enjoyed juggling ideas with you even though I couldn't help you get a sound that you could live with. Just for the...
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Re: Dueling Guitars & L1 Compact

NoMoreBlackBoxes ·
Hi splewis. My comment about how long I've used PAs was only to show my experience is not limited to being the L1 fanboy I have become, not to open any kind of bidding war. 30 years or 30 minutes, PA systems, like personal relationships, are often as much about choosing the limitations that fit best with your own as they are about choosing what attracts you. For serious involvements 'pretty and popular' really doesn't always compensate. Sometimes a less convenient, less photogenic 'package'...
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Re: How to get stereo with Bose L1?

ST ·
Hi HY, Thank you for joining the Community. Wonderful. The L1® is mono. If your source is stereo (two channels designated Left and Right) you would require two L1®s to make stereo. T1® channel 4/5 combines the Left and Right channels to mono. Please tell us how you will be using your L1®. Will you be playing pre-recorded music, or using it for live performances? Thank you, ST
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Re: How to get stereo with Bose L1?

HO YOUNG ·
Thank you, ST, for your quick and kind explnation. I expected the stereo sound with just one "L1 Model II System". I am playing Saxophone with stereo back-sound source but it might be just one L1 system doesn't make stereo sound unfortunately. Having two L1 system is cost for me. Um.........@^.^@.... Thank you, HY
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Re: How to get stereo with Bose L1?

ST ·
Hi HY, Thanks for the added information. Let me suggest that you may not need to run stereo for your back-sound source. The L1® Model II has extremely wide sound dispersion. This means you don't need two systems to fill a room you may not need two to create a sense of fullness for your back-sound I have done many shows with background music during the breaks through a single L1®. No one has ever asked for stereo. I also know several solo performers who use a single L1® for backing tracks.
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Re: How to get stereo with Bose L1?

WalterM817 ·
I would think the wide dispersion of the line array speakers would negate any stereo imaging with 2 compacts. I have used stereo backing tracks with a single unit and when playing back normal stereo tracks you get a room filling sound with such an even volume thoughout the room that stereo would probably not add much for you. Recently I was able to set up in a huge shop of a friend of mine and he was amazed at the way the Compact was so even all over the room. Even behind a half wall on one...
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Re: low sound from array

ST ·
Hi Dave, Thank you for joining the Bose Pro Portable PA Community. I'm sorry you're having a problem with low volume from the array speaker in one of your F1 Model 812s. You've some great troubleshooting to isolate the problem and it sounds like it's time to get some help. Please contact your Bose dealer or Bose UK. United Kingdom Bose House, Quayside, Chatham Maritime Kent, ME4 4QZ, UK Bose UK Tel: +44 (0)3330-142545 pro_uk@bose.com Thanks, ST
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Re: low sound from array

Charlie 3 ·
I am having the same issue with mine. One of my 812’s is LOUD! The other is noticeably quieter. The quiet one is the one that I am running the main line into. The daisy chained speaker is loud. If I switch the main line to the other speaker then that one is quieter. This makes me believe both of the speakers are functioning correctly it has something to do with the main line in. So I have to contact the dealer?
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Re: low sound from array

ST ·
Hi Charlie 3, You're right. The F1 Model 812 LINE OUT is post-volume controls. That means that it's possible for the output signal to be higher than the input. As a result, when you daisy-chain the F1 Model 812s, the second unit can be louder than the first. Thanks for pointing that out. ST
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Re: low sound from array

Charlie 3 ·
How can I equalize the sound?
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Re: low sound from array

ST ·
Hi Charlie 3, If you can run two outputs (left and right) from the mixer, then run each line to one F1 Model 812. Set the Channel volumes on the two F1 Model 812s the same, and control the balance from the mixer. If you prefer to run one line from the mixer, set the volume on the first F1 Model 812. Then bring up the second one to match. Does that help? ST
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Re: low sound from array

Charlie 3 ·
Wow. Thank you for the quick reply. I will try this fix tomorrow and let you know. By the way I’m running everything through my tone match. Running a 1/8 inch out from iPad to channel 4/5 not sure if this has any impact at all. And of course a master out from T1 to 812. Daisy chained from from the bass line out to the other 812 Line in. I greatly appreciate your input.
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Re: low sound from array

Charlie 3 ·
Okay, I am still having a strange issue with the set up I descrided in my last post. I did eliminate the subs from the equation to try to pinpoint my problem. I am running the master out from the the T1 to one 812. The volume is low. Once I daisy chain the 812 #1 to 812 #2 the #2 is noticeably louder. I have to crank up the 812 #1 to volume level of 7 to equal a volume of 3 on the 812 #2. I have switched cords and order of speakers for daisy chaining. Which ever 812 is my main has a low...
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Re: low sound from array

ST ·
Hi Charlie3, Are you using a balanced cable from the T1® Master Out to the first F1 Model 812? balanced = 1/4" (6mm) Tip-Ring-Sleeve ST
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Halorecordings ·
Just want to add, I'll be streaming backing tracks via bluetooth about 80% of the time.
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Archtop Eddy ·
Hi. I use my S1 Pro with a Boss VE-8, Sennheiser e935 mic, and a Waterloo WL-14 with K&K pickups. I'll give you my thoughts/experience with my setup to some of your questions: 1) The S1 Pro sounds great and very natural for both guitar and mic when they are plugged in directly and you are using just battery-power. 2) The S1 Pro sounds great with the Bose VE-8, Sennheiser mic, and Waterloo guitar. There is no difference in sound when you use either or both the Bose VE-8 and S1 Pro battery...
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Halorecordings ·
Archtop Eddie, Thanks for your input. that's what I'm looking for. With the exception of your mic and guitar, your set up is what I expect to use. I don't own the Boss VE-8, yet. I currently use the TC Harmony G. If I do proceed with the S1 I'll need a battery powered harmony pedal. Enter, the VE-8 (or another battery powered vocal/harmony pedal if someone thinks there's a better choice). How is the reverb on the S1? When you perform, do you use the reverb on the S1 or VE-8? Do you use...
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Archtop Eddy ·
I like the VE-8 because it gives me both a Harmonizer and Looper (as well as effects like Chorus or Echo) in one battery-powered pedal. It has a bunch of knobs rather than screens -- and I'm old school, I like that too. For a battery powered harmonizer option, you could also try the Boss VE-2 Vocal Harmonist. I have one of those but don't use it much. It sounds as good (maybe better) thank the VE-8 and has a larger on/off switch which I like. However, I don't like to take a lot of pedals to...
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Halorecordings ·
ArchTop, thanks again for your input. I agree, without even hearing the S1 firsthand and reading all the positive reviews, I think the S1 would be a better purchase than the Roland. It's no longer which system to buy, it's when do I pick up the phone and order the S1. I figure the S1, battery and Bose VE-8 will put me back about a grand. I have no problem with that, but I know someone who will. Thanks again. I'll post when I make the purchase and let everyone know how it's working out.
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Archtop Eddy ·
Great, glad I could help. As for "gettin' new gear" issue... Maybe you could gut-out one of your old amps (say a Fender) and hide the S1 in the empty cab... Just kiddin' you know. Good luck with your future purchase when you work it out.
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Walt ·
I use my S1 using a speaker stand around 6 feet elevated with a Boss VE-8 and Boss Gt-1 pedal playing acoustic, electric guitars and mandolins along with vocals. I also run my backing tracks using the aux bluetooth input. All gear is battery powered and I run the guitars and vocals into channel 1 of the S1. I can easily play two 4 hour gigs before charing the S1. The Boss VE-8 is great because you can quickly adjust your voice and instrument mix and adding the Boss Gt-1 really makes it...
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Archtop Eddy ·
Thanks for the input and photos Walt. Like your single stand for mic and iPad. Clean! Do you use the GT-1 for acoustic stuff? I'd like to find a good, warm distortion sound for my acoustic guitar to provide variance in my solo sound. Do you ever do that (or do you just use an electric for any distortion/overdrive sound)?
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Halorecordings ·
Walt, Great review. Your setup is almost identical to mine (except I'm using the Fishman solo at this time). I also mount my ipad to the mic stand. I recently bought a bluetooth receiver for the fishman. Love not using wires and mixer for the ipad. I also use the ipads eq. I think I'm using the "acoustic" eq setting. I should break out my mandolin. Haven't played that in a while. I use an a/b switch to switch between my acoustic and electric. For the electric, I'm running through a Fender...
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Ric ·
The Street EX is loud, but very thin sounding. I ran my Sunday band through a battery powered 9 channel Behringer 1002B mixer using the 1/4" headphone out through a 1/8" headphone adapter into channel 3 of the S1 Pro. Audience of about 50 and using the tilt back feature and got great feedback. I used the preamps of active DI boxes to get the instruments to work with the mixer. There is no available AC power at this location. These are two photos I took:
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Archtop Eddy ·
Hi Ric. I think I know the answer but could you clarify: Do you mean feedback from the audience (as in comments), or feedback noise from the S1Pro?
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Archtop Eddy ·
Hi David. You make a lot of good points, and the need for battery power may not be for everyone. But to the question of how often one accesses battery power when AC is available, in my case, more often than I might have thought. Since it's so easy to charge up the S1Pro and it provides such good battery life, I find myself using it for gigs even if I have AC. It's so much simpler than messing with extension cords, power cords, inconveniently located wall outlets, etc. Granted, this is a...
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Re: Basic S1 Set Up

Ric ·
Clearly positive comments from the audience, Eddy. I got there early to ring the stage. The master volume control was the headphone volume knob on the mixer. This is Hawai'i kine kanikapila. Everyone in the audience is a musician that plays along acoustically, so it is a noisy crowd. The stage needs to project well enough that the entire audience can hear what the alaka'i (conductor), me, is leading with the band in order to play along. At this venue, we perform in the parking lot under pop...
 
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