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Big day out for my F1 and L1 systems!

Each year for the last few years I've provided front-of-house sound, DJ and MC services to a vineyard for a popular food, wine and music festival. This year I had a great time and my sound system worked a treat. Here's what the set up looked like. Here’s the equipment list: 2 x Bose F1 Model 812 Flexible Array Loudspeakers (Front of House) 2 x Bose F1 Subwoofers (Front of House) 2 x Bose L1 Compacts (fold-back monitors on the stage) 1 x Bose L1 Model 2 Loudspeaker with B2 Bass Module for...
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Erine ·
Impressive!
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jdbassentertainment.com ·
1200 on site, but how many by the music under the tent... Looks like maybe a few hundred??
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That's probably accurate, plus at least the same again outside the marquee, right in close, and the rest enjoying the music from other areas nearby. The sound travelled brilliantly.
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How to route L1 to a house PA

johnjohnjohn ·
Tonight I had my trusty Bose setup for vocal and piano.. the manager requested the music be "piped into" their hoise system. I had no idea how to route our sound to the house system - the place we played had multiple rooms and on 2 floors at least. So the issue is not about comparing Bose quality with unknown PA brands/ quality. But rather a practical matter. Are there multiple ways to connect? Please ennumerate the ways.. and any advantages of one way over another. I have the tone match as...
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ST ·
Hi John, Great question. johnjohnjohn posted: Tonight I had my trusty Bose setup for vocal and piano.. the manager requested the music be "piped into" their hoise system. I had no idea how to route our sound to the house system Are there multiple ways? I have the tone match as well. Happy New Year. If you are connecting your T1® to a Model 1S or Model II using the ToneMatch cable, then you can run line from the T1® Master Output to a house system. Does that help? ST
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ST ·
Hi John, johnjohnjohn posted: I did not attempt the connections, but the vocalist used two 1/4 inch cables into a direct box... I cannot give better details... and the sound did NOT transfer to the House. Kind of an educated guess, based on my glancing at the ToneMatch he plugged one of the 1/4 inch into Master Output and the second quarter inchm adjacent to it. Could that second input somehow cancel the sound? It's pretty hard to speculate about what might have happened (or didn't happen)...
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johnjohnjohn ·
I did not attempt the connections, but the vocalist used two 1/4 inch cables into a direct box... I cannot give better details... and the sound did NOT transfer to the House. Kind of an educated guess, based on my glancing at the ToneMatch he plugged one of the 1/4 inch into Master Output and the second quarter inchm adjacent to it. Could that second input somehow cancel the sound? I do not even know what that 2nd input ( the adjacent one-- the one next to the Master Output ) functions as?
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Fish ·
Hi ST and JustAcoustic, Looking at the picture supplied by JustAcoustic, the "stage box" appears to be a "RAD3" (Remote Audio Device) wall jack by Rane. It is an analog-to-digital converter to send audio signals digitally back to a central audio distribution system (their "HAL" system.) It is designed for paging and distributed audio in large facilities (like resort hotels and conference centers.) I'd check with the venue to see if it's absolutely necessary to connect to both channels. In a...
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justacoustic ·
Thanks Fish "According to Rane's description, ST's assumption seems valid, and you shouldn't have to connect to both. (I'm guessing the reason for two connections is to accommodate left and right signals from a stereo mixer?)" Yes. I thiink so too. Because this worked last week. (See pics) I sent my Vocals, Guitar and Mp3 player from T1 Channels Line Out to Mixer, then Mixer LR Outs to XLR Box. But Jeez! Look at how I much I had to crank the mixer
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justacoustic ·
Having a similar problem. I have to run the Tonematch to the house system via 2 XLR inputs near the stage, but I want to use my L1 Model II as my monitor. Last week I set up the system as usual and ran a 1/4" cable out of the Master output with a XLR splitter into the 2 inputs for the house. There was no sound coming out to the house. I then tried the Aux output with the same result. Do I need a power supply for the Tonematch to boost the signal to the house? And if so, do I then run a 1/4"...
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ST ·
Hi JustAcoustic, Thanks for the picture. I'd check with the venue to see if it's absolutely necessary to connect to both channels. In a big resort, I would expect that they can handle routing to different areas from the console at the other end of the connections. It looks like this is to facilitate two inputs (e.g. two microphones). If that's the case, then you only need to connect to one and then you don't need a splitter. ST
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justacoustic ·
Thanks ST. The reason I need 2 xlrs is that there is a box by the stage that contains 2 xlr inputs (no mixer just a small box) and those get fed to the house system somewhere. It is a big resort and i guess one side goes to speakers around the bar and beach area and the other side goes to speakers around the rest of the property. See attached photo. Thanks
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ST ·
Hi JustAcoustic, I'm sorry things didn't work out for you. Let's figure this out. What works If you need to connect your T1® to an external system that requires an XLR input: Run a line from the T1® Master Output to the input of the external system. Use a 1/4" Tip-Ring-Sleeve to XLR cable or adapter. What didn't work justacoustic posted: Having a similar problem. I have to run the Tonematch to the house system via 2 XLR inputs near the stage, but I want to use my L1 Model II as my monitor. I...
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justacoustic ·
Ok. A little unconventional but here's what worked. I needed to plug into both XLR inputs for the house. One side feeds the bar area and one side feeds the dining/beach area. (See pics of stage, bar and dining area.) So I ran the Master out to one, and the Aux out to the other one. Still got very low volume even with the Aux turned up to 100%. So the manager boosted the volume on the house system and we were good to go, even tho he had to boost the house to 90%. I think the T1 just can't...
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Fish ·
After comparing the pictures of your venue with the view out my front window, I may have to come help you test some more connection options in person -- maybe a week or two of testing! Glad you were able to work with the manager and get things to an acceptable level. Thanks for posting your results! Fish
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Fish ·
Hi JustAcoustic, Yep, I think we're on the right track. A couple of things to try -- run from the T1 Master Out directly to the wall jack, bypassing the mixer. If that's still not enough oomph, try using the T1's Aux Out instead of the Master Out and set each channel's Aux Level settings higher. If they still want both channels connected, run from the T1 Master Out (or Aux Out if you prefer) to channel 1 on the mixer -- that should push a hotter signal into the Mackie, which (hopefully) will...
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justacoustic ·
Thanks again. Will try it tonight. I perform there every Thursday so if I have a problem I'll try something else next week. Another performer there has the same problem with his Bose system so if any of these suggestions help I'll pass it on.
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Own a Td30KV...which L1?

Gatodrums ·
i have a Roland v-drum kit TD30 and it's located in a room inside the house....it's just for personal use....no gigs.....is a L1 compact enough? Or do I need a bigger system. Maybe I'll play with a friend and a guitar but that's it.....just family audience at the house? L1 compact is good enough? regards and thanks
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Gatodrums ·
Seagullman posted: Hi Gatodrums, First of all let me welcome you to the forum. Thanks for joining our community. Now to your question. I have both a Compact and a Model II with a B1. My wife has a Roland TD6V set. I've not actually amplified her drums at all tip to now as she plays them through headphones. If she wanted me to amplify them just for once in a while I'd probably use the Compact just for the ease of setting it up. This would however probably result in the Kick Drums lacking in...
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Seagullman ·
Hi Gatodrums, First of all let me welcome you to the forum. Thanks for joining our community. Now to your question. I have both a Compact and a Model II with a B1. My wife has a Roland TD6V set. I've not actually amplified her drums at all tip to now as she plays them through headphones. If she wanted me to amplify them just for once in a while I'd probably use the Compact just for the ease of setting it up. This would however probably result in the Kick Drums lacking in power in the lower...
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Gatodrums ·
Thanks Eric!! This product sounds great. I do play rock music (Van Halen, Journey, Boston, Nirvana, AC/DC stuff)...my main concern is that my e-drums are in a small room of the house (approximately 300 square feet) and I use them with the headphones, however, sometimes the wife is out and I can hit it with a speaker, therefore, I want a nice bass/kick sound but without the need of having a neighbor complaining about it. I thought about the compact because of the size as well. With that in...
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Gatodrums ·
Thanks Eric!! This product sounds great and I do play rock music (Van Halen, Boston, Journey, Nirvana, AC/DC stuff). My only concern is that I play in a small room at the house with my headphones...but some times..the wife is out and I can hit it with a speaker....the room is about 300 square feet, therefore...I want the kick/bass to be great but also no need to have a neighbor complaining about it. That´s why I though about the compact and for its size as well.....Do you think that the F1...
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Gatodrums ·
Thanks Steve...as Tony mentioned above....I will check with the dealer and try both...however, by little less than desired you mean disappointing or sounds ok and good but could be better??
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G0csteve ·
I got a pair of compacts and have been using them in my studio with my digital drums and while the kick is a little less than desired, everything else is just fine!
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ST ·
Hi Tony (Seagullman), Seagullman posted: I have both a Compact and a Model II with a B1. My wife has a Roland TD6V set. I've not actually amplified her drums at all tip to now as she plays them through headphones. If she wanted me to amplify them just for once in a while I'd probably use the Compact just for the ease of setting it up. This would however probably result in the Kick Drums lacking in power in the lower frequencies. If it were to be on a more permanent basis I would more than...
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Eric-at-Bose 3 ·
Hi Gatodrums! Thanks for the question. Which system is right for you is entirely dependent on budget and "how loud do you need to get". The L1 Compact may not be enough if you are doing rock music. We make the new F1 Model 812 for 1199.00 USD that has 1000 watts of power. I would take a look at that product, it will be flexible enough to play at lower volumes, and be able to get loud when you need it to. F1 System: https://www.bose.com/prc.jsp?u...ages/f1/index_en.jsp Thank you and have a...
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I own a Roland TD30.....which L1?

Gatodrums ·
i have a Roland v-drum kit TD30 and it's located in a room inside the house....it's just for personal use....no gigs.....is a L1 compact enough? Or do I need a bigger system. Maybe I'll play with a friend with a guitar but that's it.....just family audience at the house? L1 compact is good enough? Good kick/bass drum for the room? regards
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Seagullman ·
Hi Gatodrums, regarding this "I will take in consideration about going live someday and maybe buy the bigger one!!. You got me thinking on that one....!!" I thought I'd throw the idea into the discussion because it would be a real shame if you went for the Compact which may well serve you acceptably (with maybe limitations on the Kick) at home, but which would probably leave you being unhappy nit you do decide to gig with it at some time. As I said already I'd probably then go with a B2 as...
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Seagullman ·
ST, regarding this: "I would be very interested in your impressions (both of you) if you connect the Roland TDV6 set to the Compact and then the Model II with the B1. If you have the time to try it out, I'd really appreciate it." When I have the Model II out the next time I'll ask my wife if she'll play through the systems for me. The Compact is no problem to move around but the Model II is up a small spiral staircase in one part of the house and the drums (believe it or not) are set up in...
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Nick-at-Bose ·
Hi Gatodrums, The Compact will perform well in a small room. The Compact is very natural sounding and has a very small footprint. I do agree with Eric though that the F1 812 should be considered. The main reason is it's flexibility. Though the footprint isn't that much bigger, it does have more power should you ever need it. Drums can demand a lot of power from the amp (relatively speaking), so more headroom is always a good thing. At low volumes, it'll work great too. Thanks, Nick
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Gatodrums ·
Thanks again for the advice Tony....I was thinking of buying the T1 as well..even with the compact. How about the F1 812? In price is similar to the compact and that would be a good choice? Someone else just recommend me that. regards
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Gatodrums ·
Thanks Nick! Which one has a better kick/bass ...the compact or the F1? For the F1 We are talking only about the array...right....without the woofer? regards
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Seagullman ·
Hi Gatodrums, "Thanks again for the advice Tony" You're more than welcome. "I was thinking of buying the T1 as well..even with the compact" Good choice. Just don't forget that with the Compact you'll need the Power Supply for it as the Compact doesn't have a Tonematch Port. "How about the F1 812? In price is similar to the compact and that would be a good choice? Someone else just recommend me that." As far as the Bass response goes the F1 Model 812 should win hands down against the Compact.
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ST ·
Hi Gatodrums, Please come back and tell us what you decide to get, and how you like it. Thank you! ST
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Gatodrums ·
Tony Thanks for the update! You´ve been very helpful. ST...that´s quite an explanation....not only help me with my decision, but also learned something! That´s great! Really appreciate everybody´s help here!. I´ll review this info and figure out which one I´ll buy. Regards
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ST ·
Hi gatodrums, Gatodrums posted: i have a Roland v-drum kit TD30 and it's located in a room inside the house....it's just for personal use....no gigs.....is a L1 compact enough? Or do I need a bigger system. Maybe I'll play with a friend with a guitar but that's it.....just family audience at the house? L1 compact is good enough? Good kick/bass drum for the room? If you are playing at modest volumes, I think that the Compact will be fine. An L1® Model 1S or L1® Model II with a B2 will be...
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Seagullman ·
Hi Gatodrums, ST wrote: "If you are playing at modest volumes, I think that the Compact will be fine. An L1® Model 1S or L1® Model II with a B2 will be considerably better for the kick drum. However, for the most cost-effective solution, the F1 Model 812 looks appealing. The Compact is more portable, but the difference in weight (30 pounds vs 45 / 12 kg vs 20 kg) won't matter if you're not planning to move it around. The F1 Model 812 takes a tiny bit less floor space than the Compact if you...
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ST ·
Hi Tony, I've been in several situations where a single F1 Model 812 effectively covered a room. The 100° horizontal dispersion can serve you very well if you can place the F1 so that the listening audience is in the coverage area. I've done this by aiming diagonally across the audience area. How well this works depends on the size of the room. ST
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ST ·
Hi again Gatodrums, Please tell us the size of your room and construction of the walls. I looked up some information about residential construction in Costa Rica . There's a lot of different possibilities. ST
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Seagullman ·
ST posted: Hi Tony, I've been in several situations where a single F1 Model 812 effectively covered a room. The 100° horizontal dispersion can serve you very well if you can place the F1 so that the listening audience is in the coverage area. I've done this by aiming diagonally across the audience area. How well this works depends on the size of the room. ST 100° horizontal coverage isn't at all bad for "normal" loudspeakers. I was just trying to get Gatodrums to really consider what he's...
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Gatodrums ·
Hi Guys!! I wanna thank everybody for the support on this topic. Fortunately ( I could say), my wife came with a present this weekend and to my surprise it was the F1 812 Loudspeaker......kind a cool gesture from the wife...right?. She asked about it at the store (obviously didnt have much info about it)...but at the store she got that recommendation and she thought that I would like it. So...end of story, I hit the e-drums yesterday in the 400 square feet room with concrete walls (ST...
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Gatodrums ·
Guys! I got the F1 (wife gift)....nothing to complain....it sound amazing and the coverage of the room is perfect. Thanks for the support. Regards
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ST ·
Hi Gatodrums, Great news. Congratulations. Enjoy your F1 Model 812. ST
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Seagullman ·
Hi Gatodrums, Great news and congratulations from me too. Nice for you to have such an understanding (and apparently loving) wife. I do, however, think that it was nice of her to wait until you'd posted your question on the forum otherwise we may not have had the pleasure of "meeting" you. Please keep us posted as to things you might get up to with your new gear (gigs etc. and gigs at home count too). We have a forum here called "At the Gig and Rehearsal" for just such things. Any experience...
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Eric-at-Bose 3 ·
Glad to hear it! Have a great day! Eric-at-Bose
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